"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[emperior]

Maybe I don’t pay enough attention to discourse here, but that oozaru in Granola’s nightmare has Bardock’s scar in the same place Bardock has it.

If the big reveal is that Goku’s father ruined this guy’s life, that has the potential to be very hackneyed and trite.

I believe that was just an easter egg put by Toyotaro, I doubt Granola has ever seen Bardock in his human form and, besides, he’s got a grudge against all Saiyans so he will probably hate Goku regardless.

Either way I wouldn’t care much if it was revealed that Granola saw Bardock and if in turn he recognized Goku as his son/confused the two.

[Yuji]

Maybe I don’t pay enough attention to discourse here, but that oozaru in Granola’s nightmare has Bardock’s scar in the same place Bardock has it.

If the big reveal is that Goku’s father ruined this guy’s life, that has the potential to be very hackneyed and trite.

I like the idea that Bardock saw some potential in Granolah and spared him. Granolah understandably takes this as an act of good will, but Bardock selfishly saved him so they could have a better fight in the future (likewise, after the Saiyans had exterminated the planet, he probably felt letting one lone Cerelian get away wouldn't be much of an issue), much like his son. If Bardock's appearance is anything more than a cameo, I'd prefer this route rather than the predictable "mistake Goku for his father and enact revenge on him for his father's sins" approach.

[Koitsukai]

We've seen something like that in the Broly movie, irrational revenge, even Vegeta called Paragus out on it. I hope it's an easter egg and nothing more.

I know people are already shipping UI vs perfect sniping, but I believe Granola is going to be one of the good guys, too soon to tell, though.

[TKA]

Maybe I don’t pay enough attention to discourse here, but that oozaru in Granola’s nightmare has Bardock’s scar in the same place Bardock has it.

If the big reveal is that Goku’s father ruined this guy’s life, that has the potential to be very hackneyed and trite.

I believe that was just an easter egg put by Toyotaro, I doubt Granola has ever seen Bardock in his human form and, besides, he’s got a grudge against all Saiyans so he will probably hate Goku regardless.

Either way I wouldn’t care much if it was revealed that Granola saw Bardock and if in turn he recognized Goku as his son/confused the two.

That is NOT an Easter egg.

Far too important to be. That’s not how stories work. An Easter egg would be if one of the oozaru was wearing Toma’s outfit or something.

Again, not laying out any judgments here. But it could prove terrible in the future.

I like the idea that Bardock saw some potential in Granolah and spared him.

This highlights exactly what I mean. Fans have a desire to make characters they like (or think should be important) be more important or special than the story has them being. Bardock is a low-class Saiyan, who has no sympathy for the various worlds he eradicated, only giving a shit when his specific race was on the chopping block. Also, being a low-class Saiyan, he shouldn’t have control over his oozaru form.

Anyway, potential to be very eyerolly and trite. Willing to see how this plays out though.

[LightBing]

There's a chance Granola is one of the good guys.

There's also a good chance the "strongest fighter in the Universe" won't be him. It could be misdirection.
Freeza might just grab OG-73 or someone else and voila.

[Matches Malone]

There's a chance Granola is one of the good guys.

I think this will be the case as well, maybe not at first, but definitely by the end.

[Yuji]

This highlights exactly what I mean. Fans have a desire to make characters they like (or think should be important) be more important or special than the story has them being. Bardock is a low-class Saiyan, who has no sympathy for the various worlds he eradicated, only giving a shit when his specific race was on the chopping block. Also, being a low-class Saiyan, he shouldn’t have control over his oozaru form.

Ideally, Bardock's cameo would be just that: a cameo, as the character should have been left behind in the 90s where he belonged. But if Toyotarou is going to give the character any sort of spotlight, then I would prefer if he subverts expectations rather than go for the predictable "revenge on the ruthless Saiyan" route. That characterization seems at odds with Toriyama's modern portrayal of the character, as well. Practical and evil as Bardock still may be in Toriyama's vision, I doubt he'd gain much enjoyment from finishing off a weakened foe.

[Tai Lung]

I would give merit to toyotaro this time granola is perhaps the best design he has made .. and I wish his role could be main to become a villain ... he still has reasons to hate frieza and maybe goku because he revived him, I think t's going in that direction and somehow the consequences of goku's actions it show now which is interesting

[batistabus]

Maybe Easter Egg isn't the right way to put it, but I'm not expecting this to go anywhere. I don't think there's any way for them to draw the connection between Bardock and Goku. I think it's just another example of the thread of coincidences put in motion by Bardock that set the DB story into motion.

On the other hand, we didn't see how Granola survived that encounter. And since Toriyama told some of the story of Bardock in Broly, and we know DB Room would be likely to push for more Bardock content, it wouldn't be out of place to elaborate on that story here.

[Grimlock]

Hopefully it isn't just an "easter egg" or cameo or anything of sorts. This truly has the potential to become a really good plot point in the future, Bardock's legacy being Goku, the very one who has to deal with his father's doing. It just has to be something, not a cheap thing that won't lead anywhere.

[Grand Marshal 1]

What are the odds that the cerealians were developing something (tech related), or had a strong ability (seems to go this way), that could be an issue to Freeza? Bardock comes in and takes them out, but Granolah is seen as a very promising individual and we know that the Saiyans never wanted to be under Freeza. What if, Bardock let Granolah survive in hopes of him killing Freeza after the devastating events on planet Cereal? But unfortunately for Bardock, Vegeta (the planet) was destroyed (maybe the same day?).

Not a writer myself, but I'd enjoy this kind of concept. Unlike with Broly, Granolah would actively roam the cosmos and would eventually meet with Freeza.

[YamiGoku]

Didn't Toyotaro said in the interview something about someone having a connection with a known character and that we have to pay attention?
for me that sounds like he's talking aboug the connection between Goku, Granola and Bardock.

[Matches Malone]

Didn't Toyotaro said in the interview something about someone having a connection with a known character and that we have to pay attention?
for me that sounds like he's talking aboug the connection between Goku, Granola and Bardock.

That has to be it. It's an interesting way of using Bardock without having to bring him back to life.

[Kinokima]

Bringing Bardock back to life would be the dumbest thing they could ever do. So I hope they never consider that

But yeah I like how Bardock can be part of the story through the past

[SupremeKai25]

Bringing Bardock back would be some Heroes/Toei filler-level shit. Which is why it won't happen.

[Tai Lung]

Bringing Bardock back to life would be the dumbest thing they could ever do. So I hope they never consider that

But yeah I like how Bardock can be part of the story through the past

they could blame goku for bardock's actions being this the simplest connection

[Grimlock]

The "story" so far isn't even trying to hint that Bardock will come back to life, merely that he might be involved in the grand scheme of things. It does feel like deep down people do want him back, though. Look how worried they are.

And we've seen worse in Dragon Ball Super, through Broly, Zamasu and many more.

But unfortunately for Bardock, Vegeta (the planet) was destroyed (maybe the same day?).

Of course not, it may not seem like it but traveling through space takes a lot of time. Cereal planet (or whatever it is named) should be stacked to planet Vegeta in order to Bardock to arrive on it at the same day.

Regardless, you gave a good idea. Depending on when Saiyans invaded that dude's planet, we could even see Gine being one of them. Would be cool, but I doubt that.

[Kinokima]

The "story" so far isn't even trying to hint that Bardock will come back to life, merely that he might be involved in the grand scheme of things. It does feel like deep down people do want him back, though. Look how worried they are.

And we've seen worse in Dragon Ball Super, through Broly, Zamasu and many more.

But unfortunately for Bardock, Vegeta (the planet) was destroyed (maybe the same day?).

Of course not, it may not seem like it but traveling through space takes a lot of time. Cereal planet (or whatever it is named) should be stacked to planet Vegeta in order to Bardock to arrive on it at the same day.

Regardless, you gave a good idea. Depending on when Saiyans invaded that dude's planet, we could even see Gine being one of them. Would be cool, but I doubt that.

I don’t think the story is hinting that Bardock will come back to life at all. I think it’s just hinting that he destroyed Granolah’s Planet and thus as others have said Granolah may have a special reason to hate Goku.

But if they ever did decide to bring back Bardock that would be one of the worst jumping the shark moments ever. Bardock was never alive to us in the first place. He is always meant to be a character that was lost. I am just saying in general I hope they would never think to do that. Not that I expect it to happen. It’s so bad that I wouldn’t expect it.

[Koitsukai]

It doesn't make much sense for Granola to have a grudge against Goku because of something his father did, probably before he was even born. The righteous paying for the sinners was done in the Broly movie, and the heroes even called out Paragus on it, the story acknowledged how stupid that kind of mindset was, but it was "justified" because Paragus had been building up hate for 30 years towards his own race or to be fair, against his King, and Broly did what father told him to. Plus Freeza bringing them there for just that.

I don't see Granola as stubborn, but we still have no idea if he is a good guy or a bad guy. Or if he'll lose his mind when/if he becomes the strongest of U7.
Based on how he dealt with that guy trying to steal his stuff he seems to be more on the good side than the bad. He should be able to see how dumb would be to try to avenge his race by going against some innocent fool who also killed Freeza "twice", just because he shares the same blood as the ape in his dream.

[Gt91]

About Bardock, they can tell a parallel story.
Past > with Bardock and young Granollah (only a few flashbacks, maybe with some cameo for Gine and some sayans)
Present > with Goku and co

This can be an opportunity to see more of Bardock, without and invasive move (dragonballs ecc).