"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Cipher]

Minor note, but I guess this issue confirms that Goku in the manga continuity definitely doesn't have a crippling fear of needles, seeing as he has no problem holding the Oracle Fish down to give him an injection. Toyotaro does sometimes crib from anime-only ideas but I guess he's over that now.

He'll homage anime-only ideas via adaptation and harmless background elements, but he's always been careful to only pay fidelity to the manga as far as established characters themselves. (And in terms of any larger plot elements. See, for example, even something as subtle as noting that Freeza's forces on Namek consisted of only a small skeleton crew, as opposed to their seemingly limitless numbers in the anime. Or, for his flashback with the Kaioshin, choosing to use only the two depicted in the original manga, to avoid importing any new anime-only designs.) His most prominent example of importing an anime-only element into the main story is probably the designs for the larger variant of Yardratians, but we know that how to approach their designs also caused him some strife, and he wasn't set on just jumping to the anime's version at the start.

No doubt he knew exactly what he was doing in not having Goku react to the needle too.

[Grimlock]

he's always been careful to only pay fidelity to the manga as far as established characters themselves.

Not so careful with Vegeta's design. And that came out one year after Dragon Ball Minus.

[Cipher]

he's always been careful to only pay fidelity to the manga as far as established characters themselves.

Not so careful with Vegeta's design. And that came out one year after Dragon Ball Minus.

Yeah, well, no one read "Minus" though.

Also whoops that also violates Saiyan hair lore

[emperior]

Minor note, but I guess this issue confirms that Goku in the manga continuity definitely doesn't have a crippling fear of needles, seeing as he has no problem holding the Oracle Fish down to give him an injection. Toyotaro does sometimes crib from anime-only ideas but I guess he's over that now.

Wasn’t Goku fearful of needles only when he had to be the one getting injected?

[GodVegetto91]

New spoiler video.

https://youtu.be/0XecliMZ_vk

Full colored Heaters!

[Kinokima]

New spoiler video.

https://youtu.be/0XecliMZ_vk

Full colored Heaters!

The video doesn’t really reveal too much that is new but I enjoyed the little animations that they put in

Minor note, but I guess this issue confirms that Goku in the manga continuity definitely doesn't have a crippling fear of needles, seeing as he has no problem holding the Oracle Fish down to give him an injection. Toyotaro does sometimes crib from anime-only ideas but I guess he's over that now.

Wasn’t Goku fearful of needles only when he had to be the one getting injected?

It was always filler either way that has been exaggerated in a million fanfics

[DiscountDabi]

New spoiler video.

https://youtu.be/0XecliMZ_vk

Full colored Heaters!

Huh. In the beginning, they highlighted the great ape's scar. I don't think that's just an easter egg.

[Kinokima]

New spoiler video.

https://youtu.be/0XecliMZ_vk

Full colored Heaters!

Huh. In the beginning, they highlighted the great ape's scar. I don't think that's just an easter egg.

I never thought it was. Granolah will probably in one way or another associate Goku with Bardock

[emperior]

New spoiler video.

https://youtu.be/0XecliMZ_vk

Full colored Heaters!

Huh. In the beginning, they highlighted the great ape's scar. I don't think that's just an easter egg.

Yeah it seems like it’s definitely neither an easter egg or a cameo. I wonder to what extent Bardock’s involvement will be.
I would hope his presence will be kept only in scenes set in the past, though I am afraid they may actually bring him back somehow, for example by having Granolah do some crazy stuff like wishing for Planet Vegeta back to life to invade it and kill everyone.

[Kinokima]

New spoiler video.

https://youtu.be/0XecliMZ_vk

Full colored Heaters!

Huh. In the beginning, they highlighted the great ape's scar. I don't think that's just an easter egg.

Yeah it seems like it’s definitely neither an easter egg or a cameo. I wonder to what extent Bardock’s involvement will be.
I would hope his presence will be kept only in scenes set in the past, though I am afraid they may actually bring him back somehow, for example by having Granolah do some crazy stuff like wishing for Planet Vegeta back to life to invade it and kill everyone.

Honestly I think it will just be flashbacks. I think the arc will be focused on Granolah’s misdirected anger at Goku (well at least partially focused on that)

I know they kind of already did that with the Broly film but that was more about Paragus’ revenge and Broly just doing what he says. And also since it was just a movie the theme of revenge wasn’t fully explored.

[goku the krump dancer]

The Tournament of Power was the last storyline to get this much promotion behind it and the anime was still going at that point. They're doing a great job at making this arc feel like big deal, so we're gonna (Hopefully) be getting something special for sure coming out of all this.

The Heetas look cool and have my interest peaked. Maybe i'm biased because I have long locs myself but giving them that hair style was a nice touch for sure, helps them feel different. Had they had typical anime spikey hair, I think there would be more comparison's to Bojack and his crew but I haven't seen any opinions like that yet.

Its crazy because we've had two years of ups and downs with Moro and that whole thing just feels like filler in comparison.

[DiscountDabi]

They're really playing up that "Strongest Sniper" thing. I really do think that against Ultra Instinct is gonna be the main thing Goku will have to surpass this arc. Makes me think that whatever godly technique Vegeta is gonna learn will have to do with that too.

[FortuneSSJ]

The new characters have great designs but the color schemes are all bad.
Granolah has too much green and the Heeters are a much worse looking Bojack's crew.

The way they are promoting this arc seems like Toriyama's involvement must be big and there's no way Toei won't animate new Toriyama content, so yeah the anime will definitely come back one day

[LoganForkHands73]

he's always been careful to only pay fidelity to the manga as far as established characters themselves.

Not so careful with Vegeta's design. And that came out one year after Dragon Ball Minus.

Good catch. I'm fairly sure Toyotaro still draws Piccolo with five fingers instead of four as well. It would be interesting to list all the examples of Toyotaro referencing the anime continuity.

On a tangential, totally subjective level, I do prefer Toriyama's Minus design for chibi Vegeta. Fight me.

[Koitsukai]

I think Bardock will "come to life" through Zuno's unlimited knowledge, somehow Granola will learn about him.

I still think the big bad has not been revealed yet.

[Jiren The Alpha]

he's always been careful to only pay fidelity to the manga as far as established characters themselves.

Not so careful with Vegeta's design. And that came out one year after Dragon Ball Minus.

Yeah, well, no one read "Minus" though.

Also whoops that also violates Saiyan hair lore

When Toriyama is better at remembering then a big fan like Toyotarou.....

[Kinokima]

On a tangential, totally subjective level, I do prefer Toriyama's Minus design for chibi Vegeta. Fight me.

Agreed! Sure the bangs on Kid Vegeta may look cute but the implication then is he is balding which is just stupid.

The hairstyle was originally probably created like that because he was the villain but in the end Vegeta just has a weird alien hairstyle. His hair never changed.

[Yuji]

To nitpick this month's chapter a bit, I don't like how all Cerealians wore the same exact outfit as Granolah. I realize it's an immediate visual identifier of his people, but I think readers would be able to be put two and two together if the dead Cerealians all had different outfits from the context of the flashback. Perhaps it's military attire, though?

Also, in the first page we see a Freeza soldier with a cape descending from the spaceships. Perhaps it's Zarbon?

Edit: A lot of ice and fire based puns this chapter. "With enough cash to burn," "They ain't fired up to make any deals," "You'd be playing with fire," "You're such a hothead," "Revenge is best served cold [...] so chill out," "Put this thing on the back burner," "Cool that head," "Freeza's name lit a fire under Granolah," "We'd be in hot water," "Freeza's gonna ice the guy for us," "Fired up to see what we find." Anyone who speaks japanese can elucidate on the nature of these puns and translation liberties?

[batistabus]

Perhaps it's military attire, though?

That's possible. I do feel the look overall is evocative of early-to-mid 20th century combat clothing. Granolla wears "jodhpurs"-style pants; Toriyama gave this type of pants to Blue and Goku Black, and I'm fairly sure the inspiration is the Nazi uniform. Although, the style of pants are based a type of pants from India, and they're more commonly worn nowadays for horse riding.

(I'm pretty sure because Blue is clearly based on a Nazi design, while Goku Black is evil and partially shares the color scheme. Toriyama has an interest in drawing WWII era fashion and machinery.)

But as far as Toyotaro is concerned, they have a cool, retro look that is familiar to Dragon Ball, so who knows? We can see at least that a younger Granolla wore shorts, so that's something.

[Grimlock]

Yeah, well, no one read "Minus" though.

Unfortunately, that isn't enough for it to become lost in oblivion.

Also whoops that also violates Saiyan hair lore

Yeah, well... Nappa went bald, after all. I'm sure we all can come up with sensible reasons to avoid that.

On a tangential, totally subjective level, I do prefer Toriyama's Minus design for chibi Vegeta. Fight me.

I think it would be far more appropriate if at least Vegeta would lose his bangs as he grows up.

Gine says Bardock's hair isn't common, so Vegeta losing his bangs wouldn't be far-fetched or anything. It would be in line with the strange properties of Saiyans (hair) in general.

Come to think of it, Tarble should have Vegeta's hair with the bangs. Not only would it be somewhat unique and cool, it wouldn't be a cheap copy and paste of Gohan's hair (in the anime) or Vegeta's hair (in the manga).