"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Jiren The Alpha]

Goku seen his full power and talks about Beerus terrifying power, even mentions the technique he used. And still thinks Broly is probably stronger

Nothing changing for Broly

Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.

You really should read the Manga again.. I think you missed a few chapters near the beginning of the ToP Arc... Don’t ignore actual evidence!

Goku in the movie said "probably", which means that he really doesn't know how strong Beerus is because he hasn't fought him at his best.

I have a hard time taking Toyotarou filler seriously when Toriyama is probably going to shit on it in the next movie.

[Matches Malone]

I'm also curious to know how Goku will relate to Granolah's ambitions (which involve Freeza, the same the one who Goku didn't show much concern in the Broly movie)

He might blame Goku for what Bardock did to his planet in the flashback (assuming it was him of course).

[jd55513]

Maybe it can give him the potential to be the strongest, but can't make him that strong immediately? There's gotta be some sort of catch/limitation.

I definitely think something will go wrong, but then again, this is coming from the same writers who had Goku offer Moro a senzu bean. The biggest fear I have with this arc is it ending up like the rest of Super, where it's full of great ideas that never reach their full potential.

Whats wrong with Goku giving Moro a senzu bean? If you have problems with it, see my comment I posted above about the philosophy of Goku!

[DiscountDabi]

So, Chapter 69 is out. On Line that didn't catch my attention in the Draft Summary Caught My Attention Now.

It sounds to me like Toyotaro is Setting up Namekians to orginitate from the Demon Realm. This tying back into what King Piccolo was. Turning the Once Demon Piccolo from a Slug Alien Back into his original Demon Roots makes a lot of sense in towards making Piccolo more Interesting/Relavent Again.

[Matches Malone]

Whats wrong with Goku giving Moro a senzu bean? If you have problems with it, see my comment I posted above about the philosophy of Goku!

There's nothing anyone can say that will justify such bad writing.

[Gt91]

This chapter is soooooo interesting!

Spoiler:

More namekian lore? A new dragon? Namekian from another realm? New powers and possibilities?

About the last page

Spoiler:

I think this dragon has limited powers. Maybe the wish has a limited amount of time? We'll see.

The hype is always real!

[Alruneia]

It's awfully convenient that now, all of a sudden, it's possible to have Dragon Balls that don't come in sets of 7. It doesn't contradict anything, I suppose, but yeah, it's very convenient. I'm curious about the "Namekians come from another realm" bit of lore, though. I wonder if it's gonna lead to some kind of "Zalama is a Namekian and he's the single ancestor of all Namekians" revelation. I guess we'll have to wait and see, and maybe hope that it leads to something new for Piccolo.

[FishermanJohnWest]

Beerus still hasn't shown his full power agenst Goku. This just shows how strong Beerus is even when he is suppressed.

Goku seen his full power and talks about Beerus terrifying power, even mentions the technique he used. And still thinks Broly is probably stronger

Nothing changing for Broly

Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.

Except that the manga had shown Beerus FP in the battle royal, it's shown. Your own head canon means nothing to the series, Goku knew about the technique thus nothing changes for Broly standing in power. Go blame Akira for having Goku state it

[FishermanJohnWest]

Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.

You really should read the Manga again.. I think you missed a few chapters near the beginning of the ToP Arc... Don’t ignore actual evidence!

If you are referring to the Gods of Destruction exhibition match, there was a point in which Goku couldn’t comprehend what was going on, so he probably missed important stuff.

Come on man, he couldn't see what's going on when all of them are fighting. However, when Beerus was fighting by himself and used UI he saw everyone and commented on it

[Matches Malone]

I'm curious about the "Namekians come from another realm" bit of lore, though.

I guess we'll have to wait and see, and maybe hope that it leads to something new for Piccolo.

Maybe they all came from U6 ?

I'd love that, but at this point I just don't see it happening.

[Lord Frieza]

Spoiler:

A pretty fun chapter over all.

It’s nice to see how the universe has developed post Freeza. I have to wonder if the Heeters or Sugarians purchased the planet after the Freeza force attacked, unless it was abandoned after the assault for some reason. If they did it would be a good plot device to corrupt Granola towards being more evil.

Beerus being the one who wanted the Saiyans destroyed finals has some purpose besides background fluff. Better it’s used to try and motivate Vegeta to stop dwelling on things he had not control over and focus on the now. In a sense he’s replaced his saiyan pride for saiyan shame and it’s holding him back in the same way.

The idea of more dragon balls is convienent but logical. The namekians were a space faring race once upon a time and do it’s really not that illogical that they took their knowledge of Dragon Balls with them.

As for the new Dragon, I like his design but am I right in thinking he looks really small. Even compared to Shenlong. There’s no way he can be very powerful but he can tell Granola how he could become the strongest if he wishes for it.

[ankokudaishogun]

Vegeta is now Gouki\Akuma from Street Fighter.
Goku alredy was Gouken anyway...

[Kinokima]

I don’t really mind 2 Dragon Balls. The Dragon Balls are already pretty easy to get and have been used to fix things many times

For me the Dragon Balls are more interesting when they get into the antagonists hands

Granolah’s wish aside I don’t think this will be the end of the Dragon Balls this arc since the Heeters also showed an interest. I wonder if this will be similar to the Namek saga where the Dragon Balls may cross hands with no one getting all the balls to make a wish.

Of course if Granolah does get a wish granted those balls won’t be used for awhile but as we know there are more out there.

[JulieYBM]

This is such a weirdly well written arc that I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and it turns i to sewage. Hope I'm wrong!

[Trek405]

Pretty good setup chapter.

I like seeing the daily life of granola and the little refresher course about the dragon balls. The new dragon balls and the different factions doing their own things. Granolah is starting to grown on me

That said the vegeta/beerus segment felt off to me. When has vegeta ever been weighed down by the sins of his past? I like that plot point in the moro arc bc vegeta was back on planet namek after so much time had passed. He did horrible things to them so it's understandable old feelings of regret would surface as he was among them again. But as far as vegeta being held back by his sins and being "trapped by the past"? I've never gotten that vibe from him. Doesn't really fit imo.

That said his training with beerus seems to be sort of a parallel of goku/merus training from last arc. Will it go anywhere is my question.

Also Goku's line about beerus was hilarious. Sliding scale beerus in full effect

[TheSaiyanGod]

Goku seen his full power and talks about Beerus terrifying power, even mentions the technique he used. And still thinks Broly is probably stronger

Nothing changing for Broly

Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.

Except that the manga had shown Beerus FP in the battle royal, it's shown. Your own head canon means nothing to the series, Goku knew about the technique thus nothing changes for Broly standing in power. Go blame Akira for having Goku state it

Dude, the only thing Goku recognizes in this chapter is Hakai, which is old news for us. Even the "new technique" barely seemed to have been showed since Beerus says it was just a "glimpse" of what he can do

[Kinokima]

That said the vegeta/beerus segment felt off to me. When has vegeta ever been weighed down by the sins of his past? I like that plot point in the moro arc bc vegeta was back on planet namek after so much time had passed. He did horrible things to them so it's understandable old feelings of regret would surface as he was among them again. But as far as vegeta being held back by his sins and being "trapped by the past"? I've never gotten that vibe from him. Doesn't really fit imo.

I agree though I feel this is also just set up for Granolah who is a living reminder of the Saiyan sins

[OrangeBanana]

Jesus Christ the sugarians are cute af.
Overall this was another great chapter, the quality jump from the previous arcs of super is pretty noticeable, in presentation and all.
My prediction is that Granola ain't gonna get his wish granted , the heaters will arrive steal his balls and he'll chase after them to take them back. What will happen next I ain't got a clue but I can't wait to see.

[FishermanJohnWest]

Except he didn't. It's literally been a plot point for years that Beerus (and Whis tbh) has never shown their full power or abilities. Be a Broly try hard stan if you wish, but don't ignore important plot points.

Except that the manga had shown Beerus FP in the battle royal, it's shown. Your own head canon means nothing to the series, Goku knew about the technique thus nothing changes for Broly standing in power. Go blame Akira for having Goku state it

Dude, the only thing Goku recognizes in this chapter is Hakai, which is old news for us. Even the "new technique" barely seemed to have been showed since Beerus says it was just a "glimpse" of what he can do

The technique for Vegeta to learn is Hakai, that's the technique

[Brettjr25]

Shouldn't the people discussing Beerus/Broly power levels be in the strength discussion thread? They are literally having the same discussion in there and the redundancy of the comments are mucking up this thread.



Anyway the lore in this chapter is great and actually made me really interested in the series again. Feels like we are going to get some answers regarding the namekians and why Kami was on 'earth, why they were in a different universe and more lore on the dragon balls. Here I thought they were writing them out of dragon balls lore with the arrival of the Super DBs but guess not. Maybe a namekian was an ancient race who traveled universe and dimensions under the care of Zalama.

I kind of like Granolah, not cause of his generic motivation but his personality and how he copes with things. I just hope he isn't going to be just a racist type character who hates Goku cause what his race done not his own actions. That'd be a waste, I'd rather see Freeze be the big bad over him eventhough I'm not sure we need another Freeze arc. Not sure if his wish will be granted, it was only 2 balls and a tiny dragon (plz no lowbrow comments, that wasn't intentional ) and the scale of dragon usually reflects their power. So maybe it won't be instant and slowly grows or something.

I doubted it at first but Vegeta’s powerup may be just a God of destruction mode. Showing of hakai, telling him there's nothing wrong with destruction, the manga making sure to acknowledge that Goku did NOT use it correctly but messed up while whis saying its not easily mastered (giving us the reason for why it'll be a Vegeta exclusive tech even though Goku showed it off) and the line about destruction before creation seems to fit. Makes sense Toppo did show that GoD is a transformation that does come with a powerup.

Honestly seeing a UI Goku fighting with a GoD Vegeta would be sick.