Color Correcting the Dragon Box - 3 Part Spectacular

[Trachta10]

I always liked the "modern look" this scene has, I think is a cel scan, for me this is how the anime should look like

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and this is the same frame in the 30th anniversary



then using colormatch1.2 and darktable, I think I get that "modern look", it kind of look like a digital anime



more examples

https://imgsli.com/Mzg3MDI
https://imgsli.com/Mzg1OTc
https://imgsli.com/Mzg1OTk
https://imgsli.com/Mzg2MDA
https://imgsli.com/Mzg2MDE
https://imgsli.com/Mzg2MDI
https://imgsli.com/Mzg3MDQ

No offense, but, ew. Too much bloom, too soft of details & a look, & just no. That's not how that should look at all. It's an old show, not a modern one.

It gives you a sense of bloom because you are used to the sharp edges.
I am aware that this can cause loss of detail but in this case I don't think it causes it, because the 30th anniversary does not provide any real extra details, it just has fake grain and fake sharp edges that cause halos.

with this I just tried to fix that



about how the show should look, I am more of a cel style look, maybe in the future an AI will be able to redraw the entire anime, who knows haha

[Trachta10]

I made a new one with a little more noise

original

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cc

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edge halos fixed

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[jaisonas]

The only reason your shot works, is because there isn't a background in focus to reveal the insane detail loss. To give you a better example, this is what the show is supposed to look like:

[lansing]

I mostly had in mind the light color cast removal and then matching that result with the other video that I would want to have same colors, the colormatch is a great program, I just wondered if it had any alternative to it. Also about auto-aligning, is there any faster alternative to photoshop so that it could be done to the whole video without doing it frame by frame? I only could find the AutoOverlay avisynth plugin but that one seems a bit complicated to me.

I believe you're referring to my posts on the subject. If you read more in the thread you'll discover that my idea had evolved well beyond matching exact frame. You only need to match the color palettes. That being said, doing this for every scene for the entire series is not a one man job, therefore the workflow needs to be able to split and can be picked up easily by others. I was on my way developing a system for this but then like others, got sidetracked along the way.

The lack of accurate color source is also a major issue, so unless we solved that we're not going to go anywhere.

[Trachta10]

The only reason your shot works, is because there isn't a background in focus to reveal the insane detail loss. To give you a better example, this is what the show is supposed to look like:

Here you can compare more shots
I don't see any insane detail loss

https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDM
https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDQ
https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDU

[jjgp1112]

The detail loss is pretty dang noticeable, especially in the first shot.

[jaisonas]

The only reason your shot works, is because there isn't a background in focus to reveal the insane detail loss. To give you a better example, this is what the show is supposed to look like:

Here you can compare more shots
I don't see any insane detail loss

https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDM
https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDQ
https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDU

https://imgsli.com/Mzg5NzQ
The dvd has better line clarity and texture on the mountain than yours. Its not only that you denoised it, its 30th anni source is also garbage.

[Trachta10]

The only reason your shot works, is because there isn't a background in focus to reveal the insane detail loss. To give you a better example, this is what the show is supposed to look like:

Here you can compare more shots
I don't see any insane detail loss

https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDM
https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDQ
https://imgsli.com/Mzg5MDU

https://imgsli.com/Mzg5NzQ
The dvd has better line clarity and texture on the mountain than yours. Its not only that you denoised it, its 30th anni source is also garbage.

but compare the shot to the 30th anniversary not to the Dragon Box

[Robo4900]

The problem is, if your baseline is the 30th anniversary sets, then of course you're going to make it look less shitty by blurring it. It's pretty much impossible to filter the 30th anniversary footage and not make it look better, because it already looks about as bad as it possibly could, and specifically, blurring it somewhat undoes the most damaging filter Funimation used in their remastering (sharpening).

But if you look at footage that's actually good, such as the Dragon Box, you'll find your filtered version of the 30th anniversary sets still looks like shit compared to an actually good copy of the show.

Shit in, shit out, I'm afraid.

If you want to try for an actually good result, turn up your blurring and make your goal to make the 30th sets look like Kai. Not a great look, but at the high levels of blur used in Kai (though technically Kai was blurred by just scanning it out of focus), you might finally get a tolerable image out of the shitty 30th anniversary master.

... But DBox will still beat it any day of the week.

[Trachta10]

The detail loss is pretty dang noticeable, especially in the first shot.

I think you are confunding real details with the sharpen details the 30th anniversary has

[Trachta10]

The problem is, if your baseline is the 30th anniversary sets, then of course you're going to make it look less shitty by blurring it. It's pretty much impossible to filter the 30th anniversary footage and not make it look better, because it already looks about as bad as it possibly could, and specifically, blurring it somewhat undoes the most damaging filter Funimation used in their remastering (sharpening).

But if you look at footage that's actually good, such as the Dragon Box, you'll find your filtered version of the 30th anniversary sets still looks like shit compared to an actually good copy of the show.

Shit in, shit out, I'm afraid.

If you want to try for an actually good result, turn up your blurring and make your goal to make the 30th sets look like Kai. Not a great look, but at the high levels of blur used in Kai (though technically Kai was blurred by just scanning it out of focus), you might finally get a tolerable image out of the shitty 30th anniversary master.

... But DBox will still beat it any day of the week.

I do the same but with 0 noise reduction, it seems like people like fake grain, but at least the halo problem is fixed (?




https://imgsli.com/MzkwMDM
https://imgsli.com/MzkwMDQ
https://imgsli.com/MzkwMDU
https://imgsli.com/MzkwMDY
https://imgsli.com/MzkwMDc

[Trachta10]

more color correction

https://imgsli.com/NDAwMDc
https://imgsli.com/Mzk5ODg
https://imgsli.com/NDAwMDg
https://imgsli.com/NDAwMDk

[jaisonas]

Dragon box experiments
https://imgsli.com/NDExMDM
https://imgsli.com/NDExMDQ
https://imgsli.com/NDExMDU

[Trachta10]

What do you think about this colors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-819NrU ... =emb_title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d06tLAxF_N4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95yq6jbMcCc

[Scsigs]

What do you think about this colors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-819NrU ... =emb_title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d06tLAxF_N4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95yq6jbMcCc

Wow. The Spanish cared less about the lipflaps than the Japanese.

[UltraInstinctRorikon]

Is there a way to mass batch convert the color of all the episodes? The inaccuracies of the color in the Dragon Box really bother me.

[Shaddy]

Pretty sure the whole problem is that the colors are off in different ways depending on the scene and episode.

[Trachta10]

Finally a good upscale for the Dragon Box







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeSa0Mi ... e=youtu.be

[Trachta10]

CC test of the dragon box upscale

https://imgsli.com/NDI5MzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzQzLuDJXoE

[Trachta10]

https://imgsli.com/NTI3NDA
https://imgsli.com/NTI3NDE
https://imgsli.com/NTI3NDM