Who is the most evil human character in Dragonball?

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Who is the most evil human character in Dragonball?

Post by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:42 am

This includes characters who were born human but became cyborgs later.

Some candidates:

- General Blue
- General White
- Commander Red
- Officer Black
- Taopaipai
- Shen (Crane Hermit)
- Dr. Gero
- Future 17
- Future 18
- Van Zant
- Barry Kahn
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Post by Koitsukai » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:51 am

Van Zant, the guy that shot the dog. He was a 40/40 psychopath.

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Post by Jack Bz » Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:54 am

Future 17 and 18 is hard to gauge. Like did Goku already being dead make them go into some sort of programming induced melt down with a constant urge to kill? Because they're really hardly evil at all in the main timeline. I'd probably say they take the cake for most evil if it's just 100% by choice.

Dr Gero is also pretty up there. He wanted revenge on Goku, but was also happy to kill whole cities for fun/murder in gruesome ways/kidnapped teenagers and experimented on them.

Special mention goes to those 2 people that shot Mr Satan and Bee and were just generally going on a killing spree for fun in the chaos of the Boo arc were pretty evil. Just revelling in killing for fun with no higher goal.
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Re: Who is the most evil human character in Dragonball?

Post by Hulk10 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:41 am

Van Zant, his butler, Red Ribbon Army officers, Tao pai pai, Crane Hermit, Future 17 and Future 18, and the worst of them all Dr. Gero.
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Re: Who is the most evil human character in Dragonball?

Post by Grimlock » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:53 am

Mira. One of his many backstories states that he's an Earthling. So going by that, he's the most evil human.

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Post by Peach » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:11 pm

Android 17 and Android 18.

Mercenary Tao was pretty bad before them, too.

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Post by theherodjl » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:38 pm

Van Zant's brief appearance was disturbing on the grounds that people like him actually exist in real life. His accomplice was no better because that guy was also a closet psycho who relished in the opportunity to go on a killing spree just because chaos had erupted in the world. Their actions inadvertently caused the evil in Majin Boo to forcefully separate from the Fat Boo and nearly led to the Z Senshi's defeat, a rather significant consequence from the actions of two, evil nobodies in a story about super-powered Ki warriors that can destroy planets.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:24 am

Personally I would say Dr. Gero. He's guilty of building weapons for terrorists, kidnapping, surgically modifying and enslaving people against their will, mass murder, genocide, torture, and he's also indirectly responsible for everything his creations did, including Cell. (And Android 21, if you count the games).
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Post by PurestEvil » Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:35 am

That unscrupulous bastard who shot the dog and random civilians, Van Zant.
He is why the Earth fucking blew up, too.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:09 am

PurestEvil wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:35 am That unscrupulous bastard who shot the dog and random civilians, Van Zant.
He is why the Earth fucking blew up, too.
I still say Dr. Gero is more evil than him. Van Zant probably wouldn't consciously choose to destroy the Earth and wipe out humanity if given the chance, but seeing as how Dr. Gero created Cell, it seems that he didn't care if the Earth survived as long as he killed Goku.
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Post by Polyphase Avatron » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:19 am

There's also this guy, who is definitely a contender if he's done even a fraction of the things his real life counterpart did.
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Post by PurestEvil » Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:20 am

Polyphase Avatron wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:09 am
PurestEvil wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:35 am That unscrupulous bastard who shot the dog and random civilians, Van Zant.
He is why the Earth fucking blew up, too.
I still say Dr. Gero is more evil than him. Van Zant probably wouldn't consciously choose to destroy the Earth and wipe out humanity if given the chance, but seeing as how Dr. Gero created Cell, it seems that he didn't care if the Earth survived as long as he killed Goku.
My point was that evil begets more evil, whether is was intended or not.
I doubt that Gero would want the Earth to be destroyed. He was pretty miffed when he was killed by 17, so I don't think destroying the planet would be in his interest.
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Post by Lionel » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:03 am

Tao Pai Pai is ruthless and cold-blooded but he does appear to harbour some loyalty to his brother and the Crane School. You can negotiate with him, for the right price, and it seems like he isn't one to kill unless paid to do so usually (clothing tailor being an obvious exception).

Van Zant is an obvious contender like others have mentioned. Since the constraints of an ethically bound civilisation appeared to be crumbling all around thanks to Buu, he felt like he could take it upon himself to commit wanton murder and destruction for the satisfaction of it. Others like General Blue and White could be ruthless and oppressive but they appeared to have loyalty for their commander with a broader vision in mind. It may be closer than one thinks -- looking at General Blue enjoying the sound of an underling being executed for picking his nose or White forcing the villagers of Jingle Village to look for the Dragon Ball with the threat of killing their mayor -- but Van Zant has shown the kind of chaotic sociopathy that I feel edges him out against those other two.

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Post by Yuji » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:32 am

Grimlock wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:53 am Mira. One of his many backstories states that he's an Earthling. So going by that, he's the most evil human.
Gohan and Goku have been described as Earthlings. The animal people are Earthlings too, but not humans. It refers to the planet of origin, not one's species.

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Post by Grimlock » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:40 pm

Yes, but not everyone knows that Mira may be an actual Earthling, like I said, it's one of his many backstories. People are most familiar with him being Towa's creation (thanks to Xenoverse), not an actual human from Earth.

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Post by Yuji » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:46 pm

Grimlock wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:40 pm Yes, but not everyone knows that Mira may be an actual Earthling, like I said, it's one of his many backstories. People are most familiar with him being Towa's creation (thanks to Xenoverse), not an actual human from Earth.
I thought he was a cyborg type artificial human, an Earthling enhanced by Towa.

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Re: Who is the most evil human character in Dragonball?

Post by Grimlock » Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:54 pm

He's referred as a "cyborg" in Dragon Ball Heroes. I don't remember if it appears anywhere else.

Anyway, if you take the origin that he's an Earthling, then Towa is not part of that. They just met and started working together in this version, if I remember correctly.

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Post by sunsetshimmer » Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:42 am

Van Zant lacked any reason to do what he did. He was just a pure scumbag. Not a single motive behind his actions. At least someone like Tao Pai Pai was getting paid. This guy had no goal or anything, just wanted to kill before it's end of world anyway (spoiler: it wasn't)
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Re: Who is the most evil human character in Dragonball?

Post by LoganForkHands73 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:01 am

Van Zant embodies pure, petty human cruelty for the sake of cruelty, as he uses the Majin Buu situation as an excuse to unbind himself from all societal and moral constraints. He's id incarnate. But I'd personally say Dr. Gero is more evil, especially in the original story where there was no direct hint of this sympathising "#16 was based on my dead son" business. Going beyond the scope of his plan which encompassed multiple timelines, he personally slaughtered innocent civilians in the most gruesome ways imaginable and knowingly planned to have Cell do the same on an even larger scale. I personally wouldn't factor in Future #17 and #18 as it's unclear how much of their sadism was programmed into them. The Red Ribbon Army were assholes but were at least comedic and only had goals of world domination/height increase. I sometimes wonder how the hell their ideology produced someone as vile as Gero. Taopaipai's pretty bad too, of course, but like others have said, he at least has the decency to be a mercenary-for-hire rather than a wanton mass murderer.

Van Zant especially makes me realise how much of a cynic Toriyama can be. Like, we take it for granted, but Toriyama always seems to paint humanity in an undesirable light. Incorporating the idea that a normal human would lose all moral restraint in the event of an apocalypse is dark stuff for a kids' manga. Even in Jaco, Omori makes a point that humanity pretty much sucks ass, though he wouldn't want to see anyone get killed.

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