Unpopular DB opinions

[ABED]

When the bad guy gets pissed on by a child, I'd hardly call that torture porn, no moreso than the Freeza fight which was far more brutal and graphic.

[MasenkoHA]

Yeah, there was nothing I’d consider torture porn in Z movie 10. There’s been far more brutal fights elsewhere.

In fact, one of the problems I had with Z movie 10 is how Broly seemed a lot weaker for no reason. In his first outing he was beating the living crap out of 3 grown Super Saiyans and Gohan and Piccolo. Yet, here, he seems to be doing far less damage to a much younger Goten and Trunks? Then there’s Videl who he should have murdered without even trying and somehow she holds her own fairly well?

Broly could have been replaced by a random evil volcano god and it would have made more sense.

[Scsigs]

Yeah, there was nothing I’d consider torture porn in Z movie 10. There’s been far more brutal fights elsewhere.

In fact, one of the problems I had with Z movie 10 is how Broly seemed a lot weaker for no reason. In his first outing he was beating the living crap out of 3 grown Super Saiyans and Gohan and Piccolo. Yet, here, he seems to be doing far less damage to a much younger Goten and Trunks? Then there’s Videl who he should have murdered without even trying and somehow she holds her own fairly well?

Broly could have been replaced by a random evil volcano god and it would have made more sense.

When I see children getting the shit beat out of them & them in constant fear for most of a movie, I consider it torture porn.

I mean, I consider that to at least kind of make sense. Broly had gotten his shit kicked in & was in a coma for 7 years. I'm not surprised he was underpowered. Granted, it's probably also damage scaling him, but poorly, so he doesn't just waste Goten, Trunks, Videl, Gohan, & Krillin in 1 shot of an energy blast.

Yeah, I agree. Literally, the villain could've been anyone, or anything, else & nothing would be different about it. Which is the worst kind of villain for a movie.

[ABED]

Then you have low tolerance because that wasn't torture. That was barely a beating.

[MasenkoHA]

When I see children getting the shit beat out of them & them in constant fear for most of a movie, I consider it torture porn.

We have different ideas of what constitutes torture porn. It was pretty mild. Gohan vs Recoome was like waaaay worse. Honestly the closest Dragon Ball has ever done to even approach “torture porn” is Videl vs Spopovitch

Then you have low tolerance because that wasn't torture. That was barely a beating.

Yes, a big problem was I didn’t buy at all this was the same Broly from movie 8. His beatdown against the characters in movie 8 was far more brutal (while staying in the realm of inoffensive fantasy violence).

I’m not saying we needed to see Broly snap Videl and the boys in two but maybe don’t have him fight the Junior squad? Fighting Gohan, Vegeta, Piccolo, and 18 would have made way more sense.

[MyVisionity]

Children getting beatdowns and fearing for their lives is a staple of the Dragon Ball series. It only makes sense for a movie with Brolli in it to feature this.

[JulieYBM]

Second Form Cell is hot and I want to call him 'Daddy'.

[WittyUsername]

Even though I’m not a fan of Movie 10, I don’t see any problem with having Broly fight “the Junior squad.” Power scaling really isn’t that big a deal. Toei obviously wanted to make a movie that would focus on the new cast, so it makes sense to have Broly face off against Goten, Kid Trunks and Videl. Besides, the movie makes it clear that they aren’t a match for him anyway.

Personally, my problem with Movie 10 is that it doesn’t really offer anything new. It brings back Broly, but it doesn’t really do anything different with him, outside of not having him speak properly for most of it. The movie does at least set itself apart from its predecessor by being more lighthearted and having the Dragon Balls factor into the story, but that’s nothing you can’t find elsewhere in the franchise. That’s why I ultimately prefer Movie 11.

[MasenkoHA]

Even though I’m not a fan of Movie 10, I don’t see any problem with having Broly fight “the Junior squad.” Power scaling really isn’t that big a deal. Toei obviously wanted to make a movie that would focus on the new cast, so it makes sense to have Broly face off against Goten, Kid Trunks and Videl. Besides, the movie makes it clear that they aren’t a match for him anyway.

Which goes back to “They might as well have made him a random volcano God” why bring back this super powerful villain back only to make him look significantly weaker? Gohan recognizing him does nothing. Goku’s history with him means nothing. Goten and Trunks never really know he is. It’s like the movie was written for a new villain of the week and studio mandates force them to make it Broly.

Not to mention that’s only one problem. If the movie was otherwise solid I would look past it but there’s just a lot of dumb things about the movie on top of being incredibly boring.

[ABED]

They seem to make him weaker then not in the same movie. I like the movie more than 8. It's not as long and doesn't draw things out nearly as much. I'll also take it over its sequel. I like Mr. Satan, but his schtick wears thin fairly quickly until Toriyama dimensionalized him.

[SuperSunnyDee]

I think Jiren is way better than fans say he is. I enjoy his abrasive and “I’m so done with everyone” attitude in the anime. And I think his design is awesome.

I’d also go so far as to say that his power centric and emotionally closed off character is a nice parallel to Goku’s journey to achieving the Ultra Instinct state of mind. And the character’s involvement in the Tournament of Power arc only needs relatively minimal reworking.

[PurestEvil]

I think Jiren is way better than fans say he is. I enjoy his abrasive and “I’m so done with everyone” attitude in the anime. And I think his design is awesome.

I’d also go so far as to say that his power centric and emotionally closed off character is a nice parallel to Goku’s journey to achieving the Ultra Instinct state of mind. And the character’s involvement in the Tournament of Power arc only needs relatively minimal reworking.

Jiren's problem was not concept, it was his execution. I'm honest when I say there are small bits where I he amused me, but his characterization was so utterly botched up. He appears to be a bland walking Power level for most the tournament (who doesn't even speak) until his backstory is dumped in one episode (sasuke much?). That and his unexplained anti-time skip fuckery made me less able to take him seriously.
I have not read the manga's ToP, but I heard that he is much better characterized there.

[SuperSunnyDee]

I think Jiren is way better than fans say he is. I enjoy his abrasive and “I’m so done with everyone” attitude in the anime. And I think his design is awesome.

I’d also go so far as to say that his power centric and emotionally closed off character is a nice parallel to Goku’s journey to achieving the Ultra Instinct state of mind. And the character’s involvement in the Tournament of Power arc only needs relatively minimal reworking.

Jiren's problem was not concept, it was his execution. I'm honest when I say there are small bits where I he amused me, but his characterization was so utterly botched up. He appears to be a bland walking Power level for most the tournament (who doesn't even speak) until his backstory is dumped in one episode (sasuke much?). That and his unexplained anti-time skip fuckery made me less able to take him seriously.
I have not read the manga's ToP, but I heard that he is much better characterized there.

I will not argue that Jiren’s execution was botched. But from my experience, fans who talk about how they would rewrite Jiren give me the impression that they think there’s something innately wrong with the character rather than the writers he was given to. And I just think there’s some decent groundwork to go with.

[WittyUsername]

I think Jiren is way better than fans say he is. I enjoy his abrasive and “I’m so done with everyone” attitude in the anime. And I think his design is awesome.

I’d also go so far as to say that his power centric and emotionally closed off character is a nice parallel to Goku’s journey to achieving the Ultra Instinct state of mind. And the character’s involvement in the Tournament of Power arc only needs relatively minimal reworking.

Jiren's problem was not concept, it was his execution. I'm honest when I say there are small bits where I he amused me, but his characterization was so utterly botched up. He appears to be a bland walking Power level for most the tournament (who doesn't even speak) until his backstory is dumped in one episode (sasuke much?). That and his unexplained anti-time skip fuckery made me less able to take him seriously.
I have not read the manga's ToP, but I heard that he is much better characterized there.

He’s better in the manga, but I wouldn’t say he’s great in that. The manga does at least make it clear why he wants to use the Super Dragon Balls.

[Bansho64]

I'm not sure if this is an unpopular opinion on this board (I know it for SURE is in the American fanbase as a whole, with most of them not having even heard the song), but if we're going to talk about the best songs to ever come out of this franchise,

I honestly think Hikari No Tabi is genuinely in the top 5. It for sure, in my opinion, beats anything that's come out post-GT.

Now I will be upfront about this, I am a SUCKER for 80s and early 90s adult contemporary pop/R&B ballads (For example, much of the material on Whitney Houston's first two albums), so this in itself lends towards my placing this so highly. Whereas some people people would find this type of stuff boring and saccharine, it's just some of the most beautiful and inspiring music to my ears. A song like Hikari No Tabi just fits in perfectly into my sensibilities. The vocals are absolutely soothing (ESPECIALLY when they harmonize) and the lyrics are so pretty. The synth hook that anchors the song (ya hear it at the very beginning of the vocals and at the very end) is within itself SUCH a wonderful melody and I catch myself humming it a lot.

I will say, usually when it comes to big ballads like this, I prefer live strings almost always to synth strings. I just find the purity and rawness of live violins, violas, and cellos can't be 100% replicated with synthesizers. BUT, in Hikari no Tabi's case, I actually don't mind them.I still wish they used real strings, but the ones used are pretty enough. And, funny enough, THEY DID use real ones for a later version called the Classical New Version dropped in 1996. But, ironically enough, I still prefer the original just because of the overall production. (Now, in a PERFECT world, there would be a version that merges the production of the original with the strings in the 96 version. but that's just me being greedy )

The prelude to the actual vocals IS a bit long and I have been guilty of skipping it every now and then when I was younger, but I actually found myself letting it play out as a I grew older. I never skip it now, that's for sure. It's just such a beautiful song.

[RashFaustinho]

I mentioned this in another thread, but my unpopoular opinion, which I often get disagreed on, is the fact that I really, really, really don't like neither Gogeta or Vegito in any of their incarnations.
The fact that the fandom over-hypes them makes everything worse for me, lol. I often get involved in arguments regarding these 2 characters.

[TheGreatness25]

I mentioned this in another thread, but my unpopoular opinion, which I often get disagreed on, is the fact that I really, really, really don't like neither Gogeta or Vegito in any of their incarnations.
The fact that the fandom over-hypes them makes everything worse for me, lol. I often get involved in arguments regarding these 2 characters.

I despise fusion characters. I find them to be super lazy and uncreative. "Oh! We can't win! We'll just combine ourselves! Power boost? Enough to win! The entire philosophy of creating new life and what happens to it after the fusion is over? Who cares? Where's the outfit come from? Unclear! Making rules up as we go along? It's a preposterous concept to begin with, so why not?"

[90sDBZ]

I've always liked the fusion characters. For a long time new Super Saiyan transformations had become the key to stopping the bad guys. Fusion was a very creative way to change things up. I like how Vegito's personality is the perfect balance of Goku and Vegeta; more cocky than Goku but at the same time more laid back than Vegeta.

And he wasn't just insanely strong. You could tell he had all of their combined battle experience and knowledge too. If he started showing up constantly it would get old, but the fact he very rarely appears makes his appearances really exciting. Same for Gogeta.

Gotenks was awesome too for comedic reasons. His antics and Piccolo's reactions were comedy gold.

[MasenkoHA]

I mentioned this in another thread, but my unpopoular opinion, which I often get disagreed on, is the fact that I really, really, really don't like neither Gogeta or Vegito in any of their incarnations.
The fact that the fandom over-hypes them makes everything worse for me, lol. I often get involved in arguments regarding these 2 characters.

I despise fusion characters. I find them to be super lazy and uncreative. "Oh! We can't win! We'll just combine ourselves! Power boost? Enough to win!

The times a fusion actually led to victory is pretty low. Just Z movie 12 and Super Broli

The entire philosophy of creating new life and what happens to it after the fusion is over? Who cares? Where's the outfit come from? Unclear! Making rules up as we go along? It's a preposterous concept to begin with, so why not?"

Most of the techniques don’t make any sense so I don’t know know why this is the one that grinds your gears. It’s a kitschy kids kung fu cartoon.

[TheGreatness25]

I mentioned this in another thread, but my unpopoular opinion, which I often get disagreed on, is the fact that I really, really, really don't like neither Gogeta or Vegito in any of their incarnations.
The fact that the fandom over-hypes them makes everything worse for me, lol. I often get involved in arguments regarding these 2 characters.

I despise fusion characters. I find them to be super lazy and uncreative. "Oh! We can't win! We'll just combine ourselves! Power boost? Enough to win!

The times a fusion actually led to victory is pretty low. Just Z movie 12 and Super Broli

That's not the point.

The entire philosophy of creating new life and what happens to it after the fusion is over? Who cares? Where's the outfit come from? Unclear! Making rules up as we go along? It's a preposterous concept to begin with, so why not?"

Most of the techniques don’t make any sense so I don’t know know why this is the one that grinds your gears. It’s a kitschy kids kung fu cartoon.

Also not the point. The "rules" for fusion keep changing. But the real thing that grinds my gears is that fusion is such a cop-out. Anyway, that's my opinion; always hated fusion characters. Can't see that changing now lol