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Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 84 - DBZ 210-212, movie 10

Post by Robo4900 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:39 pm

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Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and everyone between and beyond, and welcome to week 84 of the first Dragon Ball rewatch of the decade.
We're doing five episodes a week, and we'll be watching every single episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT. All 508 episodes. Plus the TV specials and the movies.
I encourage you all to watch in Japanese with subtitles, especially if you have never done so before, but watch along in whichever way brings you the most joy.

Sorry for the late posting this time; KBABZ was busy, so he didn't have trivia ready until I was going to sleep, then he couldn't give his notes on my alterations/suggestions until just now.

Previous thread: Week 83 (DBZ 205-209)
Next thread: Week 85 (DBZ 213-217)

Anyway, without further ado...

DBZ movie 10 - The Dangerous Duo! Super-Warriors Can’t Rest
Dub title: Broly - Second Coming
Originally released 12th of March 1994

Written by: Takao Koyama
Director: Shigeyasu Yamauchi
Animation supervisor: Tadayoshi Yamamuro


Goten, Trunks, and Videl are searching for the Dragon Balls, when a spaceship crashes to Earth. They investigate, and find Broly, who mistakes the young Goten for Kakrrot. As the battle ensues, Gohan arrives and joins in. Will the brothers be able to save the Earth without the help of their father?!

Episode 363 - No Small Matter!! Little Trunks (DBZ episode 210)
Dub title: The World Tournament
Originally aired 15th of December 1993

International Kai equivalent: Episode 106 - Who Is the World's Greatest? The Tournament Preliminaries Begin!
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 103 - Everyone is Shocked! Goten and Trunks’ Super Battle!!

Written by: Sumio Uetake
Episode director: Mitsuo Hashimoto
Animation supervisor: Yukio Ebisawa


The Tenka’ichi Budōkai Youth Division is about to begin. Mister Satan also appears, and the tournament grounds buzz with activity. Furthermore, a film of the Cell Games is broadcast. However, its contents are insane, featuring rubber suit versions of Goku and co., and Satan defeating Cell for some reason. Goku and the others are all dumbstruck…The preliminaries then begin, and it’s Trunks’ turn. Being unmoved by his unlikable opponent’s taunts, Trunks easily wins.

Anime-only/filler content: The Cell Games re-enactment, all the matches before Trunks vs Idasa, Mr. Satan talking to one of the children who got knocked out.

Episode 364 - It’s My Turn!! Goten’s Anxious First Fight (DBZ episode 211)
Dub title: Trunks vs. Goten
Originally aired 22nd of December 1993

International Kai equivalent: Episode 107 - Everyone is Shocked! Goten and Trunks’ Super Battle!!
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 103 - Everyone is Shocked! Goten and Trunks’ Super Battle!!

Written by: Hiroshi Toda
Episode director: Takahiro Imamura
Animation supervisor: Masahiro Shimanuki


Moving on from Trunks, this time Goten appears. Although he’s nervous to be in the ring, Goten easily wins as well. The two squirts with Saiyan blood advance along nicely, and just as expected, the Youth Division finals ends up being a fight between Goten and Trunks. Once it begins, the match becomes a super fierce battle that surpasses reason, and the audience is astonished. The two continue their even battle, with neither giving an inch. Who will win in the end?!

Anime-only/filler content: Trunks voicing his disinterest in watching Goten vs. Ikose, Gohan trying to cut in line for the punching machine, and subsequently arriving to watch Goten and Trunks's match late (in the manga, he arrived in time to see the whole fight).

Episode 365 - Happiness Times a Million! The Boys Champion is Decided!! (DBZ episode 212)
Dub title: Best of the Boys
Originally aired 12th of January 1994

International Kai equivalent: Episode 108 - The Junior Champ Is Finally Decided! Who Will Fight Against Mr. Satan?
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 103 - Everyone is Shocked! Goten and Trunks’ Super Battle!!

Written by: Hiroshi Toda
Episode director: Shigeyasu Yamauchi
Animation supervisor: Masayuki Uchiyama


Goten and Trunks’ match develops into a white-hot battle that surpasses expectations. Trunks fires a ki blast, and not to be outdone, Goten launches a Kamehameha. Finally put in a pinch during the intense battle, Goten unthinkingly becomes a Super Saiyan. Full of confidence, Trunks pushes back Goten’s attack and becomes a Super Saiyan as well. During this dangerous offensive and defensive match, Goten’s legs touch the spectator seats, and loses through an out of bounds. Trunks is confirmed as the champion.

Anime-only/filler content: The Karen Soccer Mom forcing her kids to train hard after losing, the camera crew fixing their equipment that Piccolo destroyed.

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Interesting trivia about Z movie 10:
  • At the time this movie debuted, in the manga Vegeta knocks Goku out so that he can go and fight Boo, while in the anime, Videl abandons the chase as the Dragon Team arrive at Babidi's spaceship. This means that in both mediums Goku is alive, which must have made the plot element of Goku being dead in this movie very odd for audiences!
  • DBZ movie 10 makes no attempt to actually explain how Broly managed to get to an escape pod, considering that Goku had to warp away the SECOND he punched him out at the end of the original Broly movie.
  • Broly is the only movie villain to have two of his movies debut in the same year.
  • This is the first of the Dragon Ball movies to use the We Gotta Power intro.
  • At the end of the wide shot of Goten's fantasy cake land, Tori-bot and Arale are visible on the left-hand wedding cake, at least for a split second before he's interrupted by the seagull (which may be why his shirt reads "Bird"). The right-hand wedding cake has Goten and Trunks standing on it with eight Dragon Balls (there are two One-Star Balls).
  • The Radar as presented in the travel montage has a new way of displaying the closest Dragon Ball, using a line that moves to where a shrinking circle is. Underneath is a number that appears to indicate the number of stars the Ball has.
  • The lines of the Dragon Radar also have shadows, suggesting that this radar has them printed on the underside of the glass. This is inconsistent with its depiction in the Namek Arc, where you could zoom out, and the grid would shrink to help convey a sense of scale.
  • The opening of the movie is similar to an episode of the early Dragon Ball stories, where during a search for the Dragon Balls Goku would encounter a village with a girl roughly the same age as him and help solve their local troubles. It also uses the "Orange sphere on a necklace as a reward.
  • Gohan notes that their troubles arrived seven years ago, confirming that the events of the original Broly occurred the same year as the Cell Arc.
  • Goten refers to Videl as "sis", saying a lot about how Goten views his brother's partner. That said, Trunks does too.
  • The overall shape and posture of the dinosaur is a reference to Godzilla, particularly with its back spikes and Goten wondering if it can breathe fire, like Godzilla's atomic breath.
  • Killing the dinosaur to eat its meat is exactly what Gohan did in his Saiyan Training days before Piccolo started sparring with him directly.
  • The last depiction of the villaige is 19 minutes and 39 seconds in as Videl asks Broly why he's attacking. After that it is swiftly forgotten by the movie.
  • Videl manages the INCREDIBLE feat of dodging Broly's first punch (at Super Saiyan no less!), something not even Goku was able to do when fighting him in the first Broly movie.
  • Interestingly, Goten is unfamiliar with his father's Saiyan name of Kakarot. He also says he's never eaten anything like that, meaning Goten doesn't eat his vegetables.
  • After being knocked down by Broly into the quarry, Goten says that there seems to always be somebody above the top, unknowingly calling back to one of his father's earliest learnings.
  • The stars on the Dragon Balls are once again depicted as if printed on the outside of the ball. This is in contrast to later depictions like The Path to Power where the stars are objects inside the ball.
  • Goten and Trunks are unfortunately completely unaware that Shen Long has long since been unable to do anything to Dragon Ball villains. Nor are they aware of how the Dragon Balls even work!
  • Broly's footsteps use the same sound effect used for Freeza and Cell's footsteps.
  • Trunks complains that Broly isn't playing by the rules. Hypocrite, much? He has a good shot at being POTUS at this rate.
  • Videl, Trunks and Goten seem to have trouble staying on their rock, despite being able to fly.
  • It takes Broly 37 minutes to actually reach his full strength. Unlike the first movie he seems to be able to control being able to use it.
  • The defeat of Broly by being submerged in lava, Gohan being stranded on the rock in lava, and him being rescued by a man in white, is INCREDIBLY similar to the end of The Return of the King.
  • Despite it being a trick, this still counts as Piccolo saving Gohan yet again.
  • This movie marks the first time Kuririn wears martial arts gi after growing his hair out.
  • This is the third time Gohan has been pulled into a squeeze by a big bad, after Cell and Bojack.
  • If you remove all the repeated "Kakarot"s, Broly has exactly one line of dialogue in the entire movie.
  • This is the second time that Goku scolds Gohan for not using enough power during a Kamehameha.
  • As a third reference to the Cell Arc, Trunks fulfills the role of Vegeta by distracting the opponent with his own attack, allowing the Sons to finish them off with a Kamehameha.
  • Broly is the second villain to be defeated by being hurled into the sun, after Coola.
  • The movie makes it unclear whether Goku was really there or not, and seems to intentionally provide contradictary evidence. Shen Long is unable to revive Goku (since he's died before) and wasn't present to grant a wish in the first place, and when Goku warped to Earth in the Year End special he kept his halo, suggesting he isn't there. At the same time, Gohan, Goten and most notably Broly see Goku, and he directly contributes to the Kamehameha. Evidently, it's a mystery that isn't intended to be solved.
  • This movie is the first Dragon Ball movie not have Oolong in it. Though technically Z movie 1 only had him in the OP animation.
Interesting trivia about Z episodes 210-212:
  • At this point in time in the manga, Goku defeats Yakon, Gohan fights again Dabra, the Tenkaichi Budokai takes a page from Fortnite, 18 exposes Trunks and Goten's Mighty Mask disguise, and 18 throws her fight against Mr. Satan for 20 million Zeni.
  • Missed Trivia: the opening logo of The Final Chapters, before the recap of the previous episode, has the logo appear over an ocean whooshing below, an obvious allusion to the title shot of the Head Cha-La opening.
  • Missed Trivia: Tao Pai-Pai's character design is re-used in the punching machine section, multiple times in fact. One instance stands eerily behind Goku as the tournament official explains the rules.
  • Missed Trivia: The symbol on Mr. Satan's belt is for "heaven" or "peak", appropriate for a championship belt. The bat may be an allusion to the demonic puns associated with his family.
  • Missed Trivia: In the Funi dub of The Final Chapters, Mr. Satan boasts that the other competitors will have to take the title from him as he holds his belt in the air, implying that he's wearing the belt he won from the 24th Tournament. As we all know by now, the Tenkaichi Budokai has never offered a belt as a prize, only Zeni (although the anime does add trophies for the 25th Tournament).
  • Goku's Punching Machine score is exactly 100 more than his draw number, 86.
  • At around this time, most of the title pages were simple poses of the main characters like Videl, Goten and Trunks, which provided much more appropriate artwork for the Tankobon characters pages.
  • When first seeing her, Goku notably asks Gohan if Videl is a girl as he suspects. This is a MARKED improvement from his childhood where he'd use the "Pat Pat" method to find out for himself. Both KBABZ and Robo are shocked that Toei never added that in the anime given their track record thus far.
  • The anime makes a point of having Gohan say to Kuririn that he and Videl are just friends, something not in the manga version of the scene.
  • Gohan says to Videl that Goku was the one "in the yellow". This was the colour Toriyama preferred for Goku's gi during this era, and can be seen in the cover artwork for Kanzenban #29, where it's noticeably different from Goten's. In the anime, this line is corrected to orange to match with their colour palette.
  • Chapter 432 is the debut of the new Tenkaichi Budokai arena, as made famous by practically every Dragon Ball video game made after this point and far more well-known than the original arena featured in the first third of the manga.
    • The most notable change is the much larger size of arena, being about double the size of the original. This is more appropriate for the much larger scale of the fights by this point in the story, although that only applies to the Dragon Team: it is massively oversized for normal competitors, let alone the Youth Division.
    • Another change is the much larger crowd, who sit more safely on slanted grandstands at a distance rather than standing behind a barricade with a questonable view of the action. In addition to the TV cameras and Mr. Satan, it's possibly another allusion to the Tenkaichi Budokai becoming more about showmanship than martial arts, though it's also possible this is all simply because of additional funds and publicity afforded by Mr. Satan's involvement.
    • The third change is more subtle: there's now a walk up to the ring from the "green room" building, meaning it's no longer possible to be punched into a wall and still remain inside the ring. Said wall is also now basic like the crowd wall in the original ring, rather than being adorned with demon heads that they'll inevitably have to replace after every fight.
    • This is more off-topic, but in the hub area for Dragon Ball FighterZ, the Boo Arc Tournament Ring is used for online matchmaking, while the "classic era" ring is used for the hub fights minigame (the giveaway is the perimeter wall, which is white in the Boo Ring and beige in the Classic Ring).
  • In the Funi dub of The Final Chapters, the Announcer says that the World Martial Arts Tournament is back after a hiatus of many years; this is actually true, despite the tournament having already been revived after a significant hiatus before, as the 24th Tournament was a full seven years ago. Then again, perhaps they only hold it every seven years now.
  • A Tori-bot is visible in a shot panning up to the Dragon Team, implying that Toriyama is now alive again after he was able to attend the Other World Tournament in the previous arc.
  • The title for Kai episode 106 is "Who Is the World's Greatest? The Tournament Preliminaries Begin!". The 25th Tournament doesn't actually have preliminaries, and this is instead referring to punching machine section, which in the manga is an abject replacement for the prelims of old.
  • The manga never actually clarifies whether or not the new Tenkaichi Budokai grounds is on Papaya Island or not. If it is then that means the city was rebuilt after Majunior destroyed it at the 23rd Tournament, but if it isn't then that may mean Papaya Island remains a wasteland.
  • Famously the anime adds a sequence showing a heavily biased re-enactment of the Cell Games using actors in huge heads. The beginning of the picture even shows the "waves and rocks" film logo that's shown at the start of every classic Dragon Ball movie thus far, only here it says "ZTV", the TV studio from the Cell Arc.
    • This scene was also kept in the international version of The Final Chapters. For their dub, Funimation wanted Team Four Star to play the voices of the re-enactment characters, but this was veto-d by Toei. The script remained unaltered in the original airing, however for the Blu-Ray the lines were closer to the original Japanese version. It would be another two years until Team Four Star eventually dubbed the Cell Games for real in Dragon Ball Z Abridged, meaning it's possible someone could re-insert them in someday.
    • The re-enactment uses the same light shows and tricks that Mr. Satan accused Cell and the Dragon Team was using. As well, Cell is defeated in the same way Mr. Satan was, by being punched and colliding head-first into a cliff.
    • It's also not the first time Team Four Star has been in an official Dragon Ball product: in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, one of the voice packs is an authentic Abridges Jeice, complete with "Space AUSTRALIA!!" KaiserNeko also voiced one line in Funimation's dub of Battle of Gods, and Takahata101 appeared in one of the XenoVerse games using his Nappa voice.
  • Idasa says to Trunks that he's gonna "get his tail whupped", unknowingly making a pun on Saiyan children.
  • In the anime, the Announcer recognises Goten as Goku's son thanks to their family resemblance, and flashes back to the 21st Tournament where Goku failed to clinch the win with "I am the champion".
    • For the Funimation this flashback is incredibly appropriate: their dub of the 21st Tournament was debuting at the exact same time as these episodes, and the original event that the flashback referred to would air only a month afterwards!
    • This means this Z episode was actually spoiling future events for anyone watching both.
  • The Youth Division is the first time we see Trunks and Goten interact, truly showing the audience their friendship. Before this point it wasn't explicitly stated, and they weren't shown together at all before the tournament.
  • Goten is the only combatant in the tournament to bow to every one of his opponents, both at the beginning and end of his matches. Trunks doesn't, befitting of his character, but he does bow to Goten at the start of their match, showing respect for his friend. Ikose also disrespectfully misinterprets the bow as stage fright, befitting of his family's Karen-like attitude.
  • Goten blocks Ikose' punch with only his finger, just as his father blocked Trunks' sword.
  • Appropriately it's Chichi who punches out the Karen Soccer Mom. Unlike Bulma taking out Roshi, she has a solid stance, alluding to her martial arts experience.
  • The matchup between Goten and Trunks highlights their reverse colour palettes of orange and blue, each reflecting the look of their fathers.
  • It says a lot about Mr. Satan that he recognises Goten thanks to his father "usurping" him at the Cell Games, rather than his resemblance to a three-time finalist of the very tournament he's in.
  • Trunks and Goten's fight is the first serious fight of the Boo Arc.
  • On New Years Eve 1993, a special aired that recapped the events of Dragon Ball Z in that year, where Goku warps to his house and reminisces with his two sons. This is apparently done with the permission of Grand Kaio (Shin hadn't appeared in the anime yet), but introduces an interesting time issue: it's snowing at Goku's house to reflect that it's winter, yet the characters directly refer to the Adult Division debuting at the start of the next year, where it isn't winter!
    • The opening also shows Goku warping into the barrel hot tub while leaving his clothes behind, which doesn't happen any other time he uses Instant Transmission.
    • The clips shown in the special are the Warp Kamehameha, Cell's shield blocking Goku's beam spam, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan punching 18 out of Cell, Goku warping away with Cell to save the Earth, the Kamehameha bout, and Goku defeating Paikuhan. This means that nothing from the Great Saiyaman Arc is shown (possibly an acknowledgement of the story moving away from it), and Goku returns to his family to almost exclusively reminisce on the circumstances of his death!
    • At the end of the special, Gohan says that his father, Piccolo, himself and the others will all be participating in the Adult Division. Anyone who'd read the manga at the time would be able to tell you that only Gohan, Piccolo and Videl would actually fight in a match!
  • Despite his lack of respect for Goku, Trunks knows the correct pronounciation of Kamehameha.
  • Goten's "Kamekameha", combined with Kuririn quickly learning it at the 22nd Tournament, seems to confirm that you only need to say something while charging up the move, rather than Kamehameha specifically.
    • Funimation didn't catch the "Kamekameha" gag, so in their original Z dub he simply says "Kamehameha", and Trunks laughs for no reason.
  • As confirmed by the aerial shot of Goten, this is the first Tournament to have a parking lot.
  • Trunks actually violates three rules: in addition to using his left arm and going Super Saiyan, he also uses a ki attack (twice) after agreeing with Goten not to use them.
Trivia primarily written by KBABZ. Episode summaries, airdates, and titles courtesy of Kanzenshuu's episode guide.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:18 pm

Sigh. It’s one thing for a movie to be stupid. It’s another thing for a movie to be stupid and boring.

Is there any reason for Broly to be the villain de jour? Replace him with random Evil Volcano God and it would change nothing except make the plot more coherent.

Broly somehow survived Goku’s Miracle Punch and got a Saiyan Space Capsule to take him to earth. Umm okay.

Broly who utterly dominated 4 different Super Saiyans in his last outing can’t even kill a normal human teenager. Uhh okay. I’m usually good at ignoring or justifying power scaling issues but this was too much. Videl doesn’t have to be shown fighting Broly guys.


Shen Long can’t pop out because the cave is too small or something but then hears Goten’s wish and summons Goku to help them without even having to come outside the dragon balls I guess?


And again the worst thing is this movie is just so damn boring. I could look past this movie’s nonsense with Broli if it was at least entertaining but this actually proved to be even more boring than Z movies 6 and 7. But I must say it is impressive to make me say “What the fuck is wrong with this movie?” so many times while still being a snooze fest.

When the highlight of the movie is the third grader pissing on the main villain that’s uh not a good thing.


Obligatary pick on FUNimation: Goten crying doesn’t make much sense in the Funi dub since Goten and baby Goku are voiced by two different people and their cries sound nothing alike. I realize Stephanie Nadolny was cemented as the actress to voice Goku as a child at this point but they really couldn’t have Kara Edwards dub baby Goku’s cries for that one flashback?

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Post by KBABZ » Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:22 pm

Funnily enough I actually really liked Second Coming more than the original. Thus far there hasn't been a single villain of these movies who couldn't be replaced by somebody else (with the exception of Garlic Jr. I suppose), and I enjoyed the greater variety and utilization of the the environments throughout the story. The first third with Goten, Trunks and Videl is also really good: it reminded me of the first two episodes of the anime and it'd be great if we had more interactions between the three of them.

The original meanwhile had The Usual Lineup of fighters and the plotline of figuring out who was destroying planets and that slave race thing never really interested me at all.
MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:18 pm Shen Long can’t pop out because the cave is too small or something but then hears Goten’s wish and summons Goku to help them without even having to come outside the dragon balls I guess?
Shen Long didn't pop out because Goten wasn't summoning him properly (he was directly asking for the wish rather than asking for Shen Long to appear). As for the end, it's mysterious BS like the rest of it, so while it doesn't make sense I give it a pass.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:39 pm

KBABZ wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:22 pm Funnily enough I actually really liked Second Coming more than the original.
See I came into the first Broli movie expecting to tear it a new one but other than Broli’s non-existent at best, hilariously stupid at worse motivation I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Helped no doubt by movie 6 and 7 being so boring and the last outright good Dragon Ball movie being World’s Strongest but still.

This one I knew was seen as “less good than the first Broly movie but better than the last” so I came into it cautiously optimistic that it would be a decent movie. But nope.

Thus far there hasn't been a single villain of these movies who couldn't be replaced by somebody else (with the exception of Garlic Jr. I suppose), and I enjoyed the greater variety and utilization of the the environments throughout the story.
Other than Coola this is the first time they used a returning villain though. And there’s no reason to do so. Goten, Trunks, Videl don’t know who the hell this guy is. Goten’s crying may have triggered him but he doesn’t pay any special interest to Goten. Like at least if he was paying more attention to Goten than Trunks and Videl because of the whole Goku thing that would be something. Gohan showing up and identifying him doesn’t add anything.

At least with Coola 2: Electric Boogaloo Goku and Coola have an established history and there’s the thematic connection of Coola conquering New Namek like his brother did to the original Namek. Sure that movie sucked but at least it felt like “This villains cliche revenge plot” not “We had no specific villain in mind and got told from upstairs to just make him Broli”

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Post by KBABZ » Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:47 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:39 pm Other than Coola this is the first time they used a returning villain though. And there’s no reason to do so. Goten, Trunks, Videl don’t know who the hell this guy is. Goten’s crying may have triggered him but he doesn’t pay any special interest to Goten. Like at least if he was paying more attention to Goten than Trunks and Videl because of the whole Goku thing that would be something. Gohan showing up and identifying him doesn’t add anything.
See I long ago relegated these movies as being very disposable, lacking substance and just being pieces to get people excited about... DBZ in general I suppose. There's no character development here, no thought put into the story, and to be honest many of the fights just don't work as well as the anime either. So by that same measure, bringing Broly back wasn't utilized very well at all (outside of "these kids have NO IDEA what they're in for"), but I don't hold that against the movie because Cooler 1, Lord Slug, Tullece, Dr. Wheelo, or Android 13 really added anything either. The movie taking advantage would be a pleasant surprise at this point rather than an expectation.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:11 pm

This is one of my least favorite of the DBZ movies along with movies 4, 6, and 7, and unlike the second Coola movie it felt like such a huge waste to have Broly come back when he's reduced to a berserker who mostly screams incoherently except for literally all of one scene. They could've just as easily invented a new villain in his place, so it's one i have a hard time re watching and everything just feels so lacking. Even though Broly 3 isn't all that great either it at least had a better setup with fake Broly and Goten and Trunks felt better used there as well, not to mention those funny scenes of Mr. Satan and No. 18 together.

This one OTOH, yeah there's not a whole lot that really sticks out to me as overall good.
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Post by ABED » Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:15 pm

The urination scene always makes me laugh.

It seems I'm in the minority, but I like movie 10. I prefer it to a good chunk of movie 8
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Post by Saiyan Emperor » Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:43 pm

Goten not knowing Goku's birth name is confusing. You'd think he would have heard Vegeta refer to his father by that name anytime he went to visit Trunks

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Post by MasenkoHA » Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:27 pm

Saiyan Emperor wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:43 pm Goten not knowing Goku's birth name is confusing. You'd think he would have heard Vegeta refer to his father by that name anytime he went to visit Trunks
Goku was dead for Goten’s entire lifetime. Vegeta seemed to have mostly gotten over Goku up until Goku announced he was coming back for a day to participate in the tournament. It’s doubtful Vegeta brought up Goku’s name all that much. Even when Trunks becomes a Super Saiyan Vegeta ask if Son Gohan’s younger brother can become one rather than ask about Kakarot’s youngest son.

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MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:27 pm
Saiyan Emperor wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:43 pm Goten not knowing Goku's birth name is confusing. You'd think he would have heard Vegeta refer to his father by that name anytime he went to visit Trunks
Goku was dead for Goten’s entire lifetime. Vegeta seemed to have mostly gotten over Goku up until Goku announced he was coming back for a day to participate in the tournament. It’s doubtful Vegeta brought up Goku’s name all that much. Even when Trunks becomes a Super Saiyan Vegeta ask if Son Gohan’s younger brother can become one rather than ask about Kakarot’s youngest son.
Goten was seven years old at the point when he met Goku at the 25th Budokai, that was literally the very first time the two did since Chi Chi had him just after Goku sacrificed himself in the Cell Games. So yes he was indeed dead and gone all through Goten's baby and toddler years.

So, it seems with Goku gone that Vegeta did get over since he wasn't around for the latter to agonize himself over up until he was coming back for that exception.
DB collection related goals as of now:

1.) Find decent priced copy of Dragon Box Z Vol. 4 (Done)

2.) Collect rest of manga

3.) Get rest of Daizenshuu (2-7)

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