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Dragon Ball Rewatch, Week 85 - DBZ 213-217

Post by Robo4900 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:38 pm

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Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and everyone between and beyond, and welcome to week 85 of the first Dragon Ball rewatch of the decade.
We're doing five episodes a week, and we'll be watching every single episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT. All 508 episodes. Plus the TV specials and the movies.
I encourage you all to watch in Japanese with subtitles, especially if you have never done so before, but watch along in whichever way brings you the most joy.

It's interesting writing the two Kai equivalent vital statistic entries. Japanese Kai on average is about 3 episodes for every 5 Z episodes, whereas international Kai is 4 episodes for every 5 of Z. This will even out next week, when we cross the final TFC episode that was cut from the Japanese version until episode 165.

Previous thread: Week 84 (DBZ 210-212, movie 10)
Next thread: Week 86 (DBZ 218-222)

Anyway, without further ado...

Episode 366 - Now What, Satan?! The Greatest Pinch in History (DBZ episode 213)
Dub title: Big Trouble, Little Trunks
Originally aired 19th of January 1994

International Kai equivalent: Episode 109 - A Troubling Premonition… The Appearance of a Mysterious Warrior!!
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 104 - A Troubling Premonition… The Appearance of a Mysterious Warrior!!

Written by: Hiroshi Toda
Episode director: Kazuhito Kikuchi
Animation supervisor: Yukio Ebisawa


Having won the championship, Trunks ends up having a match with Mister Satan for entertainment purposes. But Satan is terrified, since he knows Trunks’ strength. Satan then has Trunks lightly hit him, and makes it look as if he lost on purpose. The audience is thrilled, but Satan returns to his waiting room and writhes in pain. Meanwhile, having passed through the preliminaries, Goku and the others meet a strange pair, Shin and Kibito. Goku senses that they are no ordinary people.

Anime-only/filler content: Trunks's interview and the exhibition match against Mr. Satan.

Episode 367 - The Match-Ups Are Decided!! Hurry and Hold the First Round (DBZ episode 214)
Dub title: Who Will Fight Who?
Originally aired 26th of January 1994

International Kai equivalent: Episode 109 - A Troubling Premonition… The Appearance of a Mysterious Warrior!! and Episode 110 - What’s the Matter, Piccolo?! An Unexpected Conclusion to the First Round
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 104 - A Troubling Premonition… The Appearance of a Mysterious Warrior!! and Episode 105 - What’s the Matter, Piccolo?! An Unexpected Conclusion to the First Round

Written by: Hiroshi Toda
Episode director: Yoshihiro Ueda
Animation supervisor: Keisuke Masunaga


Goten and Trunks aren’t satisfied with just participating in the Youth Division. Deciding to enter the adult division, they surprise-attack Mighty Mask, a masked contestant, and take his place. All the contestants who passed the preliminaries gather and undergo the tournament lottery. As the match opponents are decided, Goku’s opponent is Vegeta. The matches finally begin!!

No significant anime-only/filler content. (For the first time since Week 68)

Episode 368 - What’s the Matter, Piccolo?! An Unheard-of No-Fight Forfeit (DBZ episode 215)
Dub title: Forfeit of Piccolo
Originally aired 2nd of February 1994

International Kai equivalent: Episode 110 - What’s the Matter, Piccolo?! An Unexpected Conclusion to the First Round
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 105 - What’s the Matter, Piccolo?! An Unexpected Conclusion to the First Round

Written by: Sumio Uetake
Episode director: Osamu Kasai
Animation supervisor: Yūji Hakamada


First Kuririn appears in match #1. His opponent, Puntar, is a noisy man with a large body and impudent mouth. As expected, Kuririn easily defeats Puntar. Moving on, Piccolo confronts the man of mystery, Shin. Having sensed that Shin is no ordinary person, Piccolo is overwhelmed by mysterious power. Learning of Shin’s power, which is on another level, Piccolo withdraws from the match without fighting.

Anime-only/filler content: Mr. Satan's interview, Gohan wondering about Piccolo's obvious nerves, Bulma and Chichi arguing about Goku and Vegeta's coming fight, Goten having some juice.

Episode 369 - Undyingly Unpleasant?! The Mystery of Spopovitch (DBZ episode 216)
Dub title: A Dark and Secret Power
Originally aired 9th of February 1994

International Kai equivalent: Episode 111 - An Eerie Entity; Who Exactly is Spopovich?
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 105 - What’s the Matter, Piccolo?! An Unexpected Conclusion to the First Round

Written by: Katsuyuki Sumisawa
Episode director: Mitsuo Hashimoto
Animation supervisor: Shingo Ishikawa


The next match is between Videl and Spopovitch. Meanwhile, Piccolo learns Shin’s true identity, and is astonished. It turns out that Shin is the Kaiōshin, the god above the Kaiō…!! Right from the start of the match, Videl continues to one-sidedly beat Spopovitch, but Spopovitch always gets back up no matter how many times he falls. After being cornered, Videl unthinkingly breaks Spopovitch’s neck. However, somehow Spopovitch nonchalantly gets back up.

Anime-only/filler content: Chichi telling Yamucha that Videl is Gohan's girlfriend, Chichi and Bulma commenting that Videl will make a good wife for Gohan, Mr. Satan not believing someone telling him Videl is having a hard time against Spopovich.

Episode 370 - A Tragic Videl!! Are You Coming Out, Angry Super Gohan? (DBZ episode 217)
Dub title: Videl is Crushed
Originally aired 16th of February 1994

International Kai equivalent: Episode 111 - An Eerie Entity; Who Exactly is Spopovich? and Episode 112 - Videl, Worn Ragged — Gohan's Anger at its Limits
Japanese Kai equivalent: Episode 105 - What’s the Matter, Piccolo?! An Unexpected Conclusion to the First Round and Episode 106 - Videl, Worn Ragged — Gohan’s Anger at its Limits!!

Written by: Katsuyuki Sumisawa
Episode director: Kazuhito Kikuchi
Animation supervisor: Yukio Ebisawa


Videl’s attacks are completely ineffective against the freakishly strong Spopovitch. Videl continues to face him, even while being beat to a pulp, but Spopovitch mercilessly attacks her. Seeing this extreme cruelty, Gohan’s anger finally explodes. But before Super Saiyan Gohan can rush in, Spopovitch’s ally Yamu steps in to stop Spopovitch, and Videl finally loses after being tossed out of bounds. Goku is beginning to have a bad premonition…

Anime-only/filler content: Mr. Satan posing in front of a mirror and being told for the second time that Videl is struggling against Spopovich, Spopovich pulling Videl back into the ring by the leg, and knocking out her teeth.

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Interesting trivia:
  • At this point in time in the manga, 18 blackmails Mr. Satan for 20 million Zeni, Gohan fights Dabra, Vegeta lets Babidi cast his spell on him, he destroys the Tournament stands twice, and he begins his rematch with Goku.
  • Missed Trivia: In the Full Colour Manga, Kibito's skin is coloured blue like Shin's, where it's a pink-red in the anime.
  • Missed Trivia: as revealed in the final Full Color manga, Mr. Satan's wife was named "Miguel" or "archangel", an intentional contrast to the usual devil-themed names of their family.
  • The Announcer asks if Trunks wants a break before the start of his exhibition match against Mr. Satan. This is exactly what Goku did himself at his first Tournament before his fight with Jackie Chun.
  • Given how surprised and unimpressed Trunks is with Mr. Satan's strength, it seems that he he doesn't have much perspective regarding the strength of Earthlings compared to Goten, Gohan and his father.
  • Trunks performs the same leg stretch pose that Goku has a tendency to do before his fights.
  • Mr. Satan tries to get out of his fight with Trunks by pretending to come down with a ficticious injury he picked up from his ficticious fight with Cell. For those with a keen memory, Mr Satan previously tried to get out of fighting Cell at the Cell Games by coming down with a completely different injury (a tummy ache).
  • Much like the rest of his family at the punching machine, Trunks has trouble making his punch light enough to pass as even vaguely human-like.
  • When Trunks "lighty" punches Mr. Satan, the anime adds a slow motion shot of Trunks' fist connecting with the side of his face.
  • Piccolo explains that he entered as Ma-Junior (or "Demon Junior") to prevent a panic were he to enter as Piccolo. This shouldn't actually work: during the 23rd Tournament, Piccolo fought under an identical alias and made it very clear to the public that he was Daimao reborn and wanted to enslave the world again.
  • Goku makes a note that he can't spend any of the prize money in Other World. Given that he's allowed to go to the nice parts of Other World, he shouldn't have any material wants to spend money on in the first place. As well, it contradicts the end of the 22nd Tournament where he refuses Tenshinhan's offer of half his prize money because he wouldn't know what to do with it (perhaps this was before he discovered he could use money to pay for his own dinner).
  • In the manga, Mighty Mask's hood and cape are coloured white, while in the anime they're dark grey. This is likely inherited from the Inked chapters where, in the Tankobon release, Mighty Mask's hood is greyscaled into a dark grey. The anime change is probably for the best as the manga design resembles a KKK uniform.
  • As is tradition, the finalists for the Tenkaichi Budokai aren't revealed in full until the shortly before the number draw, with many of the ancilliary fighters not being revealed until that scene and were nowhere to be seen during the preliminaries. In the case of the 25th Tournament, this includes Shin, Yamu and Spopovich.
  • Part of what makes Shin creepy and otherworldly is his tendency to float rather than stand on the ground normally. This is the same thing that made Tenshinhan and Chaozu creepy in the 22nd Tournmanet, and like them, Shin will eventually stop doing it.
  • Kuririn yet again makes the rookie mistake of assuming a character is weak based entirely on their appearance.
  • Kuririn prays to god to not match him up against any of his friends for the first round, with Piccolo pointing out that God is Dende. Mr. Satan similarly asked the Lord to wake him up from his nightmare match against Trunks. Dende was similarly unmoved.
  • Spopovich's name ending in "vich" suggests that he comes from Russia or the Ukraine, or at least the Dragon World's equivalent.
  • Yamu and Spopovich's appearances are very stressed and strained. As revealed by Killa's memory of Spopovich earlier in his life, he has also lost all of his hair, a common sign of stress. In-universe it's likely their bodies are stressed by Babidi's magic drawing out such huge amounts of power for them to compete against the Dragon Team.
  • 18 draws out 9 as her number, exactly half of her name.
  • Goku notes that he's never heard of Shin's name before. This isn't too surprising given that he was never too concerned about researching his previous Tournament opponents, but given his time in Other World, it means that Shin is not one of the dead heroes in heaven.
  • In addition to looking similar to Majin Buu, Punta's design is also reminiscent of Bulma's arabic outfit that she wore after visiting the Boss Rabbit town back in the opening arc.
  • When Punta says he's going to put Kuririn out on a stretcher during their match, Kuririn says those lines scream "one shot character", breaking the fourth wall and acknowledging the format of the Tournament arcs.
  • Ironically, Trunks and Goten are too eager when Spopovich's name is called, and aren't aware that their disguise's name has been called for a while.
  • It seems that you are NOT disqualified if you are unable (or too lazy) to attend the ball draw, as Mr. Satan is at the 25th. That rule seems to only apply to the matches themselves, and the sign-ups of course.
  • 18 also has no idea who Mr. Satan is, despite him being present at the Cell Games and certainly being present in the media in the days following it.
  • Since there are now 16 fighters instead of 8, there's now a 30 minute time limit on the matches; to date, the only match that has shown a progression of time is the finals of the 21st Tournament between Goku and Jackie Chun.
    • The need for a time limit here in the 25th could have easily been solved back at the punching machine by only qualifying the top 7 scores. If that were the case, then the competitors would have been Vegeta, Piccolo, 18, Krillin, Goku, Gohan and Mr. Satan with the automatic qualification. Considering Spopovich's strength, it's very likely that his score would have trounced Videl's and knocked her out (if Mr. Satan didn't have an automatic qualification, she still would have been shut out by Yamu's score).
  • Amusingly, despite the huge grandstands, the tournament bracket is still shown on the small whiteboard, which was already far too small for the audience of the original tournament grounds to see (the Announcer says he'll read it out for those too far away to see it, which is literally everybody in the arena). One could argue the TV cameras would cover that, except there are no Jumbotron-like screens anywhere in the arena for that to be displayed on.
  • Punta makes one of the earliest rookie mistakes that we saw, way back in the 21st Tournament: he expends too much energy in his moves. In fact, he's visibly puffing just SHOWING OFF.
  • Punta is knocked out in the 25th Tournament the exact same way he was at the 24th: out of bounds.
  • The humans have no trouble remembering that Piccolo was at the Cell Games, but despite the Announcer recalling his previous fight at the 23rd Tournament (where, it must be said, he DESTROYED EVERYTHING ON THE ISLAND AFTER SAYING HE WAS DAIMAO REBORN) they don't freak out.
  • Piccolo feels incredibly overwhelmed at Shin's mere presence, which is exactly what King Chappa felt in his rematch with Goku back in the 23rd Tournament.
  • Piccolo is the first Tenkaichi Budokai fighter we witness verbally forefeit his match. The only other forefeit we see is Jackie Chun against Tenshinhan, done by intentionally jumping out of the ring.
  • The Announcer's recounting of Spopovich's last Tenkaichi Budokai journey gives us our first actual information about the 24th Tournament: it was held seven years ago, the same year as the Cell Games, and it had a Junior Division which Videl won. However the actual number of that and the current Tournament has gone completely un-mentioned so far in the manga.
  • The page where Videl and Spopovich enter the ring is the first time we've seen Shapna and Eresa since Gohan left his class to help fight crime right after Videl left.
  • The same page is also where the manga gives us a one-panel shot of what Spopovich used to look like. When Videl is in the hospital wing, the anime adds a flashback to when Mr. Satan fought Spopovich at the previous tournament in the final match (which contradicts the manga, where this fight was the first round of the finals). This arena has lower stands than the current one, and large floodlights not seen in any other Tenkaichi Budokai arena.
    • If KBABZ were to postulate, they figure that the Tenkaichi Budokais after the 23rd were held in other arenas. The seven year wait after the Cell Games would have been to wait for the new grounds to be constructed.
  • Piccolo makes reference to the Grand Kaio after he first learns who Shin is, which the anime uses to show Grand Kaio when establishing the structure of the Kaio heirarchy.
  • In a shot of the crowd after Spopovich flies up into the air, one of the audience members has a strong resemblance to Arale, having glasses, a cap, long hair and overalls.
  • Gohan makes an accidental pun, thanking God (the person Karin lives under) after Kuririn says that Goku's gone to get some Senzu Beans.
  • Mr. Satan doesn't have the decency to even watch his daughter's first match.
  • We get a brief glimpse of Yajirobe when Goku visits Karin's Tower, who now has a moustache. It still isn't explained why he hangs around with him.
Trivia primarily written by KBABZ. Episode summaries, airdates, and titles courtesy of Kanzenshuu's episode guide.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:13 pm

They really stretch the suspension of disbelief with the mental gymnastics people pull to not come to the conclusion that Mr.Satan is a fraud.


Ah he let the 8 year old boy who can fly and glow yellow and shoot laser beams from his hands win. That’s it.

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Post by MyVisionity » Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:30 pm

I still think that Spopovich vs Videl is more brutal than anything else in the series. Part of it may be because it's so one-sided and also that Videl is a teenage female. But also because I think that taking huge blows to the face and gut repeatedly is far worse than the other "brutal" moments of the series. Like for example, Freeza impaling Kuririn, which quickly turns comical after the initial shock wears off. Blood gushing isn't especially brutal in my view.

I appreciate the still shot of Roshi ogling that woman's breasts in the background during the scene of Bulma/Chichi arguing about Goku vs Vegeta. Nice attention to detail.

Sharpner and Erasa are two good supporting characters with two good voice actors. They get some nice moments in these tournament episodes and are my favorite additions to the arc overall.

Mr. Satan is in top form in these episodes. What a wonderful character.

Simmons calling Kibito "Kibit" is another one of his odd transliteration choices.

Speaking of subs, I dislike how whenever the Japanese sign or display for "Martial" or "Tenka'ichi Budoukai" appears onscreen it is subtitled. We don't need to see it repeated over and over again. I'm assuming it's an issue with the software, because I can't see an actual person making that decision.

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:31 pm

[*]Piccolo explains that he entered as Ma-Junior (or "Demon Junior") to prevent a panic were he to enter as Piccolo. This shouldn't actually work: during the 23rd Tournament, Piccolo fought under an identical alias and made it very clear to the public that he was Daimao reborn and wanted to enslave the world again.
It's always puzzled me why exactly Piccolo did that, i mean entering this tournament under literally the same alias he used back when he was still more or less an evil reincarnation of the late Daimao. This basically runs counter to the stated purpose he explains above and especially given he more or less lost that part of himself during the Saiyan arc after training Gohan.

It would in reality cause panic, especially to tournament goers who likely still remembered what happened at the 23rd Budokai all those years ago
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Post by KBABZ » Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:15 pm

MyVisionity wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:30 pm I appreciate the still shot of Roshi ogling that woman's breasts in the background during the scene of Bulma/Chichi arguing about Goku vs Vegeta. Nice attention to detail.
bro what the actual FUCK

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Post by SuperSaiyaManZ94 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:01 pm

KBABZ wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:15 pm
MyVisionity wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:30 pm I appreciate the still shot of Roshi ogling that woman's breasts in the background during the scene of Bulma/Chichi arguing about Goku vs Vegeta. Nice attention to detail.
bro what the actual FUCK
Seconded, that's just...really gross and disturbing. :shock:
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Post by Grimlock » Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:22 am

First one individual who thinks it's okay to kill innocents and now another individual who appreciates harassment.

Are they really that depravated in real life or is it just because we're talking about fictional characters? Either way, it's disturbing and these people need urgent help. :?

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Post by PurestEvil » Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:59 am

KBABZ wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:15 pm
MyVisionity wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:30 pm I appreciate the still shot of Roshi ogling that woman's breasts in the background during the scene of Bulma/Chichi arguing about Goku vs Vegeta. Nice attention to detail.
bro what the actual FUCK
Oh please, staring at random women’s bosoms is the LEAST lecherous thing Roshi did.
Why does this warrant such a pearl clutchy reaction?
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Post by MyVisionity » Tue Aug 17, 2021 4:19 am

KBABZ wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:15 pm
MyVisionity wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:30 pm I appreciate the still shot of Roshi ogling that woman's breasts in the background during the scene of Bulma/Chichi arguing about Goku vs Vegeta. Nice attention to detail.
bro what the actual FUCK
It puts the background imagery of the frame to good use while the main focus is in the foreground, without distracting from it. It's a nice bit of character detail that shows how much the animators care about the series and respect the audience.

It's also hilarious, because Roshi is just frozen in that position for like a good half of the entire scene lol.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:56 am

PurestEvil wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:59 am
KBABZ wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:15 pm
MyVisionity wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:30 pm I appreciate the still shot of Roshi ogling that woman's breasts in the background during the scene of Bulma/Chichi arguing about Goku vs Vegeta. Nice attention to detail.
bro what the actual FUCK
Oh please, staring at random women’s bosoms is the LEAST lecherous thing Roshi did.
Why does this warrant such a pearl clutchy reaction?
This is also among the least “what the actual FUCK” moments that MyVisionity has said

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Post by Robo4900 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:09 am

Robo4900 wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:38 pm No significant anime-only/filler content. (For the first time since Week 68)
I don't know if anyone noticed this detail of the vital statistics for Z episode 214, but I found it at least mildly interesting to note.
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Post by KBABZ » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:14 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:56 am
PurestEvil wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 1:59 am
KBABZ wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 7:15 pm bro what the actual FUCK
Oh please, staring at random women’s bosoms is the LEAST lecherous thing Roshi did.
Why does this warrant such a pearl clutchy reaction?
This is also among the least “what the actual FUCK” moments that MyVisionity has said
It's the sheer consistency of his frankly gross behavior and observations that's disturbing. We've been putting up with this since we started the Recap series over a year ago and called him out every single time, yet he still insists on coming in here and pointing them out when we've made it really clear they are NOT welcome.

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Post by Robo4900 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:22 am

It probably shouldn't need to be said, but in case there's any doubt -- I stand 100% behind what KBABZ just said.
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Post by MyVisionity » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:54 am

KBABZ wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:14 am It's the sheer consistency of his frankly gross behavior and observations that's disturbing. We've been putting up with this since we started the Recap series over a year ago and called him out every single time, yet he still insists on coming in here and pointing them out when we've made it really clear they are NOT welcome.

This is literally the first time that I have ever heard any of this.

I have never once thought that my behavior or observations were in any way gross or disturbing. I have always considered the sexual perversion found in Dragon Ball to be effectively a cornerstone of the series. Unfortunately, this also means that the series carries with it some very toxic, ugly, and destructive messages that are undeniable. In spite of that, I still find it all to be a very enjoyable aspect of the show, and I think that it makes for a good discussion in a rewatch.

I honestly hadn't realized how seriously troubled you were by my comments. I knew they weren't your favorite, but it was all in good fun to me. Sorry that I wasn't sensitive enough to your concerns.

I cannot agree that my observations have been out of line, nor am I certain on what particular forum criteria is even applicable for the thread in a case like this. However, since you and Robo have now made it clear what you think and feel about this subject, I am willing to be more considerate regarding my comments in the Rewatch threads moving forward.

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