Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:01 pm
Dirty Harry is one of the most famous movies of the 20th century, of course there's going to be people born in the 70's and 80's that idolize the main character, most of them aren't domestic abusers though.
At least 40% of cops self-admit to domestic abuse, the actual numbers are probably higher. Whether it's "most" is not much of an argument in the face of "it's a fucking lot".
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:01 pm
The United States idolizes guns because the country was literally formed though gun violence. They had to war with the British to gain independence, followed by a century of stuff like the War of 1812 and civil war; not to mention more recent wars like Vietnam and WW2. Guns were a deep part of the American psyche long before Rambo movies and cop dramas.
Well then perhaps media reinforcing that psyche is worthy of criticism.
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:01 pm
"Blame the media they watch" is just a lazy cop out used to not actually figure out what caused someone to behave in a certain way.
Good thing
nobody is fucking doing that then. Please actually read the shit you're responding to.
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:01 pm
If you're going to argue "I'm not saying it caused it *directly*" but he might have done x because he watched y when he was younger which might have caused him to think z was ok." then you're out of the realm of trying to make a reasonable argument and might as well start drawing lines on newspaper clippings stuck to the wall to prove your point.
Okay, so then prove that media is never a formative influence on someone's development then. Obviously you have to make a case for art never affecting anyone's opinion or beliefs in any way for your point to stand, so make that point already or stop peddling this bullshit strawman.
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:01 pm
And they all probably had varying lives and upbringings that led them down that path, I heavily doubt it was because they laughed at Roshi jumping into 18's chest and getting thrown across the room.
Except not all fanbases have the same concentration of people with reactionary politics, do they? Which means that the social and political views portrayed, whether intentional or not, are necessarily relevant and active in discussion of that media.
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:55 pm
Normal people aren't shaped by media. Human's have a very handy ability that lets them watch things and realize they're bad or not real; Even kids as young as four can tell the difference between real and make believe. The most you could argue is that people might get *ideas* but they still ultimately can decide if it's wrong or right; it's not going to make them do something they wouldn't do anyway. People don't operate on "monkey see monkey do" logic.
Same shit as before, you're really not listening on purpose here.
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:55 pm
You can find a study that "proves" almost any point you want to make. They also did a study on ten thousand children over a course of ten years trying to find a link between video games and violence, and all they found was a mild adrenaline rush that you also get from playing tennis.
That would be an influence that video games had on them, then. If a game gives you a surge of adrenaline, that means it has fundamentally had an effect on you. That effect can be more or less-pronounced depending on what is being consumed, who is consuming it and how, and it doesn't have to be "shooter game make shooter real" no matter how much you bang on about stupid bullshit nobody is fucking saying.
I highly recommend if you
don't want to look like a complete chode, checking out something like
parasocial contact hypothesis, which says that we can interact and relate to characters in media similar to the way we do real people while maintaining an understanding of fiction and reality, that nonetheless
does in fact change things about us. People who would otherwise have zero exposure to people of color have become less-racist simply by consuming media with diverse casts. Hell, look at
any educational entertainment and ask whether
learning new information might possibly fucking change someone's opinion or understanding of the world. It is so colossally full of shit to equate "media can have a negative effect on people" with "violent video games cause real-world violence".
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:55 pm
Almost every child in developed countries for the last 60 has watched cartoons growing up. Some bad apples doesn't prove anything.
The phrase is literally "a few bad apples spoil the bunch".
Ringworm128 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:55 pm
If you're going to link what shows they watched to how they behave then you might as well start looking for connections in literally everything most kids do growing up.
Fucking yes? Literally every experience you have changes you in some way??? This is extremely basic shit?
Ringworm128 wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:10 am
Most academic nonsense can easily be debunked though common sense or simply living in the actual real world. Most of it is just overly worded fluff that only sounds smart because it uses a ton of buzzwords and made up connections.
"Don't trust so-called 'scientists', trust whether you can see the curve of the Earth from the ground, that's what's real. It's flat."
Anti-intellectualism is the path of fools, frauds and fascists. The sooner you understand that and either reveal yourself as one of those and get banned, or leave your obviously-incorrect takes behind, the sooner we can all get back to having experiences that will hopefully impact our personalities and identities for the better.
