Dragon Ball Super Gets Cancelled Overseas Over Sexual Harassment Claims

[VegettoEX]

Politics in a forum about funny monkey boy and friends:

I tend to skip over the eight hundred new posts every day comparing strengths of characters. You can just not read what you don't want to read.

But maybe it's better for both of us if we read the things we don't normally read and get exposed to new viewpoints and become a better rounded fan and person as a whole, learning new things about our fellow fans, what's been discussed and what hasn't in the past, and how that's all shaped the franchise that we're all ostensibly fans of?

I don't get people sometimes, man. It's not like these conversations are new, but they're a heck of a lot more fresh with more new valid viewpoints and analysis than the likewise same "but what if a fusion fused with a fusion" questions we're had for decades, too.

[Koitsukai]

The politics of a certain character, which some of them are groping and assaulting young ladies, has led to the show being taken off the air in a given country.

Politics isn't just about political parties.

[Nagyzöld]

Politics in a forum about funny monkey boy and friends:

I tend to skip over the eight hundred new posts every day comparing strengths of characters. You can just not read what you don't want to read.

But maybe it's better for both of us if we read the things we don't normally read and get exposed to new viewpoints and become a better rounded fan and person as a whole, learning new things about our fellow fans, what's been discussed and what hasn't in the past, and how that's all shaped the franchise that we're all ostensibly fans of?

I don't get people sometimes, man. It's not like these conversations are new, but they're a heck of a lot more fresh with more new valid viewpoints and analysis than the likewise same "but what if a fusion fused with a fusion" questions we're had for decades, too.

There's a time and a place to discuss US politics. That's not it. This is an anime forum and the topic is about Roshi being a sex offender, what has this to do with US political parties? I might as well start right now writing novels about Romanian current politics and the other foreigners might do that as well. Are we still addressing Roshi's problematic behavior then?

[VegettoEX]

There's a time and a place to discuss US politics. That's not it. This is an anime forum and the topic is about Roshi being a sex offender, what has this to do with US political parties? I might as well start right now writing novels about Romanian current politics and the other foreigners might do that as well. Are we still addressing Roshi's problematic behavior then?

Did you... read the post above yours? "Politics" is not necessarily equal to "American political parties."

This character's interactions are baked into the DNA of this franchise, and baked into the DNA of its reception... in America, too. From Julian's original coverage of the Toys R Us manga incident in 2000 (and subsequent petition which got Viz's attention and led to the "13+" stickers), to our 2009 coverage of the manga being pulled from a Maryland school library (and subsequently labeled as child pornography), to the 2020 Florida politician likewise calling DBZ porn...

I don't know how anyone can pull the "time and a place" card. It's always the time, and it's always the place... Japan, America, or even Argentina, and it's all "politics". I just don't think you've been in a place to pay attention to these maybe?

This is all absolutely on-topic.

[PurestEvil]

DB volumes were available in a school library at one point? Well that is news to me! I’d like to imagine what the faces of the parents looked like when they saw their child looking at Goku swimming/Bulma showering

[Nagyzöld]

Did you... read the post above yours? "Politics" is not necessarily equal to "American political parties."

This character's interactions are baked into the DNA of this franchise, and baked into the DNA of its reception... in America, too. From Julian's original coverage of the Toys R Us manga incident in 2000 (and subsequent petition which got Viz's attention and led to the "13+" stickers), to our 2009 coverage of the manga being pulled from a Maryland school library (and subsequently labeled as child pornography), to the 2020 Florida politician likewise calling DBZ porn...

I don't know how anyone can pull the "time and a place" card. It's always the time, and it's always the place... Japan, America, or even Argentina, and it's all "politics". I just don't think you've been in a place to pay attention to these maybe?

This is all absolutely on-topic.

I didn't see it being discussed as much about Argentina or Japan (it was at the beginning, lightly, as it had relevance since DB is a Japanese production and the restriction was issued in Argentina) as it was about US the last pages. And are we going to pretend there weren't mentions of Trump, MAGA, gun/police violence evolving into a full on debate about political parties (left, right, center) in the US?

I'm really curios how that is still on topic about Roshi's reception among fans? I never said we should not discuss politics, but it's a humongous difference between discussing the correlation between his behavior and portrayal in regards to human fundamental rights and the crimes it represent, which is a worldwide subject since many of us have human rights and criminal law in our countries; and what the political parties in the US represent and who on the forum is leftist or whatever.

[Drepanosaurus]

They should have just edited it out in the first place if it was so bad or maybe put a trigger warning.

[MasenkoHA]

They should have just edited it out in the first place if it was so bad

That is literally what they’re doing.

[ankokudaishogun]

at last they remove that horrible, horrible sexual harrasement scenes!

They should also remove all that Goku sparing the lives of genociders because that's OFFENSIVE to somebody somewhere and enable more people to go out and genocide as genocides aren't treated as extremely bad things

Not treating something as bad means you are promoting it as right! Just because you find something offensive it means the thing MUST be removed!

EVERYTHING I DO NO LIKE IS BAD AND MUST BE ERASED!

(that said, I find the Pervert Muten scene sin Super badly written, except perhaps the one where he scares a ToP contender into self-elimination. While nothing of value would be lost by removing them, the issue is more about "when something I think of value will be removed because others don't like it?")

[MasenkoHA]

at last they remove that horrible, horrible sexual harrasement scenes!

They should also remove all that Goku sparing the lives of genociders because that's OFFENSIVE to somebody somewhere and enable more people to go out and genocide as genocides aren't treated as extremely bad things

Not treating something as bad means you are promoting it as right! Just because you find something offensive it means the thing MUST be removed!

EVERYTHING I DO NO LIKE IS BAD AND MUST BE ERASED!

False equivalencies are fun!!!!!!

[dbgtFO]

It's honestly weird the anime is the media where Roshi's sexually harrasing behaviour is at its worst.

Usually you'd expect that would be toned down, when it goes from the manga to the anime(like the gore), but nope in these particular Super episodes it seems more like he's going to rape rather than simply groping.

Even in the original run, when Toriyama had long since stopped with drawing scenes of Roshi being a creep, the anime went further than Toriyama ever did and had Roshi all over #18's breasts. It's bizarre.

[PurestEvil]

Shk

How would you feel if some random person preemptively fondled with your buttocks?

[WittyUsername]

I would argue that “liberal centrists” are actually just conservatives, and the progressives being the actual liberals, if we are going to apply their precise, universal definitions (liberal=pro change; conservative=pro preservation). The right has been consumed by reactionary sentiment for at least a decade.

From my experience, a lot of the people who are fans of supposed “progressives” like Bernie Sanders are pretty reactionary. People like Joe Rogan, Chris Ray Gun, The Amazing Atheist, Shoe0nHead, and JonTron are Bernie Sanders supporters, for example.

[ABED]

So now Sanders isn't hard left because he has Rogan as a fan? Sigh.

Can we keep this about Dragon Ball?

[WittyUsername]

So now Sanders isn't hard left because he has Rogan as a fan? Sigh.

Can we keep this about Dragon Ball?

I guess he can be considered hard left (although he’s historically been against immigration and gun control), but he has some pretty anti-progressive supporters.

Also, I don’t really see the point in going “can we keep this about Dragon Ball” in the same post where you’re responding to something I mentioned that doesn’t involve Dragon Ball. I do get the desire to not get into American politics in a Dragon Ball forum, but you did that anyway.

[ankokudaishogun]

Shk

How would you feel if some random person preemptively fondled with your buttocks?

I guess the same as the last time it happened: slightly annoyed. Which is much better than the last time someone did preemptively punched me- I reacted by ending up in hospital.

False equivalencies are fun!!!!!!

I do not agree they are false: Dragon Ball presents a number of behaviors that are taken as morally negative by the general opinion in Europe\North America

Muten's perversion is basically ALWAYS punished, usually on the spot. Which is the theoretically funny part: not Muten's acts, but how he gets his just desert
The other morally abominable acts in the series don't get as much as justice.

Uh, i guess it can be a false equivalence: Muten's perversion is condemned much harsher than, say, Freeza's being the cause of multiple genocides for money.
Or Vegeta's\Saiyans's multiple genocides.

[ABED]

I barely said anything. It was more a sigh of resignation. I'm done fighting this crap.

[MasenkoHA]

I do not agree they are false: Dragon Ball presents a number of behaviors that are taken as morally negative by the general opinion in Europe\North America

They are false equivalences because Dragon Ball is a series that has its basic good vs evil conflict. Having a genocidal villain is just for the sake of narrative interest.
Nobody treats Freeza’s actions as no big deal.

Muten's perversion is basically ALWAYS punished, usually on the spot. Which is the theoretically funny part: not Muten's acts, but how he gets his just desert

He gets conked on the head by the female characters. or becomes a victim of slapstick. He’s never actually punished or treated as a sexual predator. He’s often rewarded just as often as he’s punish. The story always treats Roshi’s antics as “Oh that silly ol dirty old man will never learn!”

The other morally abominable acts in the series don't get as much as justice.

Uh, i guess it can be a false equivalence: Muten's perversion is condemned much harsher than, say, Freeza's being the cause of multiple genocides for money.
Or Vegeta's\Saiyans's multiple genocides.

This isn’t even remotely true.

[goku the krump dancer]

It's honestly weird the anime is the media where Roshi's sexually harrasing behaviour is at its worst.

Usually you'd expect that would be toned down, when it goes from the manga to the anime(like the gore), but nope in these particular Super episodes it seems more like he's going to rape rather than simply groping.

Even in the original run, when Toriyama had long since stopped with drawing scenes of Roshi being a creep, the anime went further than Toriyama ever did and had Roshi all over #18's breasts. It's bizarre.

This was something I noticed as well. I had a few points to make and I wanted to refresh myself on Roshi's behavior to make sure I was on point with what I was saying. You can tell when Toriyama was behind something because there was always a comedic punchline whereas with Toei his antics where treated like a one note running gag.

I think its disingenuous for people to say you only see him as a perv and brush aside every good thing he's done. Being a perv is Roshi's character flaw, it isn't solely who he is and to suggest that, takes away from his overall impact in the story and his relationship to Goku and Krillin. Especially considering most of pervy situations he's involved in happen during the time where he had a bigger role in the story, its mixed and matched with his positive mentorship to make him a more rounded character.

Context matters when it comes to his antics, he's not just pulling a Quagmire, drugging chicks and sleeping with them Ba Dum Tiss.

[Shaddy]

The best "Roshi is a pervert" joke I can remember is the "Turtle School Training Uniform" bit, because it involves Roshi willfully denigrating himself to convince Lunch to put on the outfit herself, which is a lot more clever and a lot less rapey.