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Post by The Time Traveller » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:25 pm

Super Sonic wrote:The funny thing that guy from Funi said, was it wasn't like Lionsgate was using or making new ones. Just being an evil empire holding onto them and laughing.
You just made me madder 10X... Those dicks!

I bought it last week too, I'd send it back if I was willing to make some kind of obscure and pointless stand.

Oh well, I'd buy the Pioneer releases too any day. :lol:

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Post by jjgp1112 » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:50 pm

Wait a minute, if Funi doesn't have the rights to the first 13 episodes, then how were they able to dub them and air them on Toonami and Colors/Funimation channel?
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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:51 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Wait a minute, if Funi doesn't have the rights to the first 13 episodes, then how were they able to dub them and air them on Toonami and Colors/Funimation channel?
They don't have the rights to the home (video format) distribution of said material (DB TV episodes 1-13 & DB movie 1). They still have the license to produce those episodes and strike their own deals for broadcast of those episodes, however.
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Post by Raki » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:47 pm

Super Sonic wrote:The funny thing that guy from Funi said, was it wasn't like Lionsgate was using or making new ones. Just being an evil empire holding onto them and laughing.
That is why Toei needs to blackball Trimark and pull the license.
The series doesn't start with the arrival of Raditz. Stop being lazy and watch Dragonball.

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Post by laserkid » Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:58 pm

Toei didn't give THEM the home release rights, they gave it to FUNimation, who in turn gave it to Kidmark as back in 1995 they were too small to do their own releases, so it was outsourced. Unfortunatly, they didn't have the presence of mind to have a contract end date like they did with the DBZ seasons 1 and 2 home video rights, which they at the time gave to Pioneer/Geneon.

I really wish I had optimism for those first thirteen episodes, as those were the episodes that got me INTO the show back in 1995, but so far there's no luck on that.
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Post by sonjordan » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:56 am

laserkid wrote:Toei didn't give THEM the home release rights, they gave it to FUNimation, who in turn gave it to Kidmark as back in 1995 they were too small to do their own releases, so it was outsourced. Unfortunatly, they didn't have the presence of mind to have a contract end date like they did with the DBZ seasons 1 and 2 home video rights, which they at the time gave to Pioneer/Geneon.

I really wish I had optimism for those first thirteen episodes, as those were the episodes that got me INTO the show back in 1995, but so far there's no luck on that.
Yeah....I want them too for sentimental reasons I suppose.....I mean, c'mon! They are the birth of the whole shebang!

Oh well....I'll just sit here with my Madman releases and bide my time. It may be a LONG time....but I suppose the options are limited.

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Post by Super 17 » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:18 am

It's stupid how Lionsgate or Kidmark or whoever has the rights don't do anything to make money with the episodes. They should put them uncut and drop the original japanese version ( hiring Steve Simmons to translate them) and then sell them to make profit instead of just being dicks and laughing at FUNimation for having them.

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Post by laserkid » Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:22 am

Oh they intend to make a lot of money, but they basically want to do it by doing nothing (ie: get money for FUNimations set) is how I read it. That way they get money from the rights but don't have to releas eit themselves.
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Post by Kula » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:15 am

Does anyone know why the first 13 episodes were uncut in the Australian release, but movie 1 was still cut/dubbed only?

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Post by SonEric84 » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:22 am

Anonymous Friend wrote:
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The Time Traveller wrote:I was emailed about it from someone at Funimation the other day, they said they have no idea when they're able to get the rights, but they're looking forward to releasing Dragonball in its entirety, and since it's not as action packed as Dragonball Z there might be no need to wide-screen it.

I don't fully comprehend US Copyright laws, why not just release it as the Emperor Pilaf saga after buying rights from Toei?
Oh man, reasoning like that just makes my head hurt.
Would you rather they thought it was and did it? Let the crazyness run rampant if it benfits us.

haha Yeah, I suppose in this case it might turn out to be a good thing. For DB at least...
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Post by Vegard Aune » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:25 am

Kula wrote:Does anyone know why the first 13 episodes were uncut in the Australian release, but movie 1 was still cut/dubbed only?
Because FUNi never made an uncut dub of Movie 1, I guess. That's the only logical conclusion I can reach, anyway.

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Post by Hero 004 » Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:39 pm

Fuck season sets. FUNimation had the perect format going with the saga sets and they were charging just about as much as the DBZ seasons, $30. Time Traveler said that they are looking foreward to releasing the series in its entirety, but besides the un-licensed first saga, they already fucking did!
It's like FUNimation released something too good, so they stopped printing them. Now I walk into my local used movie store and see the Tournament saga for $189. I'm glad I have the three sagas I do, but I really want FUNimation to come to they're senses and release the saga sets again with the saga of Goku included when the license expires rather than starting up the remastered nonesense with yet another chapter of Dragon Ball.
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Post by Raki » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:06 pm

Hero004 is correct. I don't understand why they don't just re-release Dragonball 2 disk sets until the license expires.
The series doesn't start with the arrival of Raditz. Stop being lazy and watch Dragonball.

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Post by VegettoEX » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:16 pm

Raki wrote:I don't understand why they don't just re-release Dragonball 2 disk sets until the license expires.
Create artificial demand.

See: The Lost Episodes
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Post by Raki » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:07 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Raki wrote:I don't understand why they don't just re-release Dragonball 2 disk sets until the license expires.
Create artificial demand.

See: The Lost Episodes
Ahh, right back to Economics 101.
The series doesn't start with the arrival of Raditz. Stop being lazy and watch Dragonball.

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Post by xzero » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:30 pm

In terms of U.S. Copyright law, EX is correct regarding the rights for production vs. distribution of the episodes; he's also correct about the artificial demand notion. I'd just like to expound upon that a bit, as well as address a question posed on the first page.

Toei has every right to rescind the rights of DB from Lionsgate, but they honestly have no reason to do so in the absence of a petition from Funimation requesting that those rights be rescinded so that Funi can engage in exclusive domestic distribution. Funi could also pay for the rights themselves insofar as they could purchase them from Lionsgate, but it is very likely that:
(a) they are too cheap to do so (less likely)
(b) Lionsgate wants an unreasonable amount for the distribution rights (possible); or
(c) Lionsgate is unwilling to part with them for whatever reason (highly likely, though painfully illogical since they do them absolutely no good)

As for the first movie, as most of us know, the Madman release was the Kidmark edited version. It's likely that since Funimation never owned the distribution rights for that movie, and it, unlike the actual series, was never important in terms of being shown on television for the sake of continuity, there was no reason to purchase the rights to it from Toei, much less redub it. Madman is an Austrailian distributer, and Funi is an American company. I would speculate that their logic was simply that for the sake of a complete release, they would include the movie in their Austrailian release, but since there is no domestic release, it is unnecessary.

If Funi does indeed release boxsets (as it seems they will after Z and GT), it would be imperitive for them to acquire the distribution rights to both that movie and the 'Saga of Goku,' as that and the Tournament Saga would likely be their "Season One." They seem adament about getting those movies released, and Movies 2 & 3 need a redub anyway, so that would be the time to go after those pieces of the DB puzzle and put everything together. By releasing Z and GT first, both of which they own the complete rights obviously, fans would be willing to wait until those series and the DBZ movies are finished releasing before asking for a DB re-release, and I would presume that Funi is hoping to wait out Lionsgate's ownership of those distribution rights before attempting to release those episodes and dub that movie.

This is, of course, purely logical speculation, so feel free to pick my post apart or poke holes in my theory.

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