Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[Mr_CINDER]

Idk what the goal or purpose of making this type of movie is but I remember hearing in that 1st livestream vid Animeajay did with the other DB youtubers that rumor around the campfire was that Toei wants to dethrone Demon Slayer Mugen Train from #1 spot . Dragonball with its ability to draw crowds could do it but you’d need an DBS Infinity War type movie with an all star production team & Nagamine at the helm directing to do such a feat. Not this amateur hour 3D gag junk we are getting.

I think dethroning Mugen Train would be nearly impossible since it grossed more than double the last three DB movies combined. Mugen Train was also a huge outlier because the highest grossing films from an existing franchise after that were Stand by Me Doraemon at #7 and Pokemon: The First Movie at #9. Both were below $200 million and it would be impressive if any DB movie managed to reach them.

Demon slayer success is a lightning in a bottle style but as i said in my previous post this is the first shonen franchise that adapted a manga arc into a movie which has never done before.Sure it will reach 200 million plus hell even 600 million plus if they market it aggressively towards kids(which disney does) and need more screening wolrdwide even broly got limited release.

[ObnoxiousNamek]

Idk what the goal or purpose of making this type of movie is but I remember hearing in that 1st livestream vid Animeajay did with the other DB youtubers that rumor around the campfire was that Toei wants to dethrone Demon Slayer Mugen Train from #1 spot . Dragonball with its ability to draw crowds could do it but you’d need an DBS Infinity War type movie with an all star production team & Nagamine at the helm directing to do such a feat. Not this amateur hour 3D gag junk we are getting.

I think dethroning Mugen Train would be nearly impossible since it grossed more than double the last three DB movies combined. Mugen Train was also a huge outlier because the highest grossing films from an existing franchise after that were Stand by Me Doraemon at #7 and Pokemon: The First Movie at #9. Both were below $200 million and it would be impressive if any DB movie managed to reach them.

I think it’s possible but such a movie would have to cater a lot to the western audience idea of a Dragonball movie should be (which some DB fans hate for some odd reason ) among other factors

Wasn’t Broly a limited/timed release it didn’t say in theaters long if I recall some ppl said they would have to drive 2hr+ to the theater that was showing it. If given a wider/longer release…

[Skar]

Demon slayer success is a lightning in a bottle style but as i said in my previous post this is the first shonen franchise that adapted a manga arc into a movie which has never done before.Sure it will reach 200 million plus hell even 600 million plus if they market it aggressively towards kids(which disney does) and need more screening wolrdwide even broly got limited release.

I agree that Mugen Train was an outlier but not that marketing will likely make that much of a difference. It took almost 20 years for an anime film to dethrone Spirited Away and only three anime films have grossed more than $250 million. There are Hollywood films with hundreds of millions in marketing and still flop so it's no guarantee that an anime film will break records with simply more marketing.

[Mr_CINDER]

Demon slayer success is a lightning in a bottle style but as i said in my previous post this is the first shonen franchise that adapted a manga arc into a movie which has never done before.Sure it will reach 200 million plus hell even 600 million plus if they market it aggressively towards kids(which disney does) and need more screening wolrdwide even broly got limited release.

I agree that Mugen Train was an outlier but not that marketing will likely make that much of a difference. It took almost 20 years for an anime film to dethrone Spirited Away and only three anime films have grossed more than $250 million. There are Hollywood films with hundreds of millions in marketing and still flop so it's no guarantee that an anime film will break records with simply more marketing.

I think you are talking about TENET From C.Nolan yes it is a good example but then again it is not part of any big franchise. but in case of DB it is one of the highest grossing media franchise of all time that equals spider man and batman in monetary value. On the other hand I want to see a C.NOLAN directed DB movie triology like he did with batman. There is no way in hell EMOJI movie can make 200 million dollars easily and DB animated movie cannot. If you look closely the highest grossing top 10 anime films list majority are ghibli movies, and before demon slayer broly is the only highest grossing shonen anime movie to cross 100 million plus. From what i have heard TOHO marketed Demon slayer movie very well in japan.

[Skar]

I think you are talking about TENET From C.Nolan yes it is a good example but then again it is not part of any big franchise. but in case of DB it is one of the highest grossing media franchise of all time that equals spider man and batman in monetary value. On the other hand I want to see a C.NOLAN directed DB movie triology like he did with batman. There is no way in hell EMOJI movie can make 200 million dollars easily and DB animated movie cannot. If you look closely the highest grossing top 10 anime films list majority are ghibli movies, and before demon slayer broly is the only highest grossing shonen anime movie to cross 100 million plus. From what i have heard TOHO marketed Demon slayer movie very well in japan.

I didn't mean Tenet because that came out during covid. Google box office flops to see a list of Hollywood films that didn't make back their budgets. Marketing helps but it isn't guaranteed to make more people interested in paying for the movie.

Pokemon is the highest earning franchise in the world yet their highest grossing films were less than $200 million. I think what you're suggesting is that all these studio executives were unaware of the power of marketing and could've easily made a few hundred million more.

[Mr_CINDER]

I think you are talking about TENET From C.Nolan yes it is a good example but then again it is not part of any big franchise. but in case of DB it is one of the highest grossing media franchise of all time that equals spider man and batman in monetary value. On the other hand I want to see a C.NOLAN directed DB movie triology like he did with batman. There is no way in hell EMOJI movie can make 200 million dollars easily and DB animated movie cannot. If you look closely the highest grossing top 10 anime films list majority are ghibli movies, and before demon slayer broly is the only highest grossing shonen anime movie to cross 100 million plus. From what i have heard TOHO marketed Demon slayer movie very well in japan.

I didn't mean Tenet because that came out during covid. Google box office flops to see a list of Hollywood films that didn't make back their budgets. Marketing helps but it isn't guaranteed to make more people interested in paying for the movie.

Pokemon is the highest earning franchise in the world yet their highest grossing films were less than $200 million. I think what you're suggesting is that all these studio executives were unaware of the power of marketing and could've easily made a few hundred million more.

Do you know the latest james bond movie is also flop? No time to die movie budget is 300 million and it made 710 million does that mean its a profit? HELL NO it failed to break even , The break even point for this film was 901 miilion. Justice league was also flopped it made 657 million dollar against a budget of 300 million. it needed to make 750 milllion to break even NOT PROFIT just to break even,and it costed WB 60 million dollar loss . A movie is not success in the box office just because they made the movie budget back because when marketing, promotion cost included it is much more expensive. The break even point is a major factor.

[Skar]

Do you know the latest james bond movie is also flop? No time to die movie budget is 300 million and it made 710 million does that mean its a profit? HELL NO it failed to break even , The break even point for this film was 901 miilion. Justice league was also flopped it made 657 million dollar against a budget of 300 million. it needed to make 750 milllion to break even NOT PROFIT just to break even,and it costed WB 60 million dollar loss . A movie is not success in the box office just because they made the movie budget back because when marketing, promotion cost included it is much more expensive. The break even point is a major factor.

Sorry when I said budget I meant the overall cost. Still you're giving examples of films that had huge marketing costs and still didn't break records like you're claiming would've happened with all these anime films.

[SupremeKai25]

I find it interesting how, after 6 months from its creation, the Broly movie thread already had more than 100 pages of discussion. While this thread after 6 months is still at 80 pages. Is this forum not as hyped for this movie as it was for the Broly movie or what?

[Jiren The Alpha]

I find it interesting how, after 6 months from its creation, the Broly movie thread already had more than 100 pages of discussion. While this thread after 6 months is still at 80 pages. Is this forum not as hyped for this movie as it was for the Broly movie or what?

Come on, you know the answer

[SupremeKai25]

I find it interesting how, after 6 months from its creation, the Broly movie thread already had more than 100 pages of discussion. While this thread after 6 months is still at 80 pages. Is this forum not as hyped for this movie as it was for the Broly movie or what?

Come on, you know the answer

Well the teaser still showed a scene of Goku and Broly fighting

[Mr_CINDER]

Do you know the latest james bond movie is also flop? No time to die movie budget is 300 million and it made 710 million does that mean its a profit? HELL NO it failed to break even , The break even point for this film was 901 miilion. Justice league was also flopped it made 657 million dollar against a budget of 300 million. it needed to make 750 milllion to break even NOT PROFIT just to break even,and it costed WB 60 million dollar loss . A movie is not success in the box office just because they made the movie budget back because when marketing, promotion cost included it is much more expensive. The break even point is a major factor.

Sorry when I said budget I meant the overall cost. Still you're giving examples of films that had huge marketing costs and still didn't break records like you're claiming would've happened with all these anime films.

All i am saying is that Anime movies didnt get that much budget and they dont get marketed poperly and get less screenings but still able to pull a decent amount of number. A fine example's of this would be the JOKER(2019) movie which grossed 1billion+ with a budget of 70 million, sprited away grossed 395 million against 15-19 million dollar budget.But i can gurantee you if this same joker movie came out in 2d animation it wouldnt even made past 10 million.Thats why killing joke only earned 4 million at box office despite (in my opinion) THE best joker story ever told, But if the marketing, advertizing was done by disney with CGI the result would have been defferent. This the same reason Chicken little(2005) grossed 314 million at box office despite being a garbage movie. All i am saying is that yes Demon slayer is a huge success but we have to remember this the first shonen franchise ever to adapt a manga canon arc into a full blown movie, so thats why i think they are trying something new with CG. Kozo morishita also said himself that 2D animation will be limited to artistic works with enhanced artistry in the future.According to him western people will respond more to 3D however that remained to be seen.

[Skar]

All i am saying is that Anime movies didnt get that much budget and they dont get marketed poperly and get less screenings but still able to pull a decent amount of number. A fine example's of this would be the JOKER(2019) movie which grossed 1billion+ with a budget of 70 million, sprited away grossed 395 million against 15-19 million dollar budget.But i can gurantee you if this same joker movie came out in 2d animation it wouldnt even made past 10 million.Thats why killing joke only earned 4 million at box office despite (in my opinion) THE best joker story ever told, But if the marketing, advertizing was done by disney with CGI the result would have been defferent.

Sure but even Disney has had some major flops. Marketing helps but again more promotion, advertising etc for a movie won't guarantee more people will be interested in watching it. That's why some films perform far better than expected while some perform worse despite all the marketing.

I could be wrong but it still sounds like you're suggesting marketing is the main reason why so many anime films haven't grossed hundreds of millions more. Are the studio executives not aware of this? Would some Pokemon films and Broly outperform Spirited Away if they simply had more marketing?

[Mr_CINDER]

All i am saying is that Anime movies didnt get that much budget and they dont get marketed poperly and get less screenings but still able to pull a decent amount of number. A fine example's of this would be the JOKER(2019) movie which grossed 1billion+ with a budget of 70 million, sprited away grossed 395 million against 15-19 million dollar budget.But i can gurantee you if this same joker movie came out in 2d animation it wouldnt even made past 10 million.Thats why killing joke only earned 4 million at box office despite (in my opinion) THE best joker story ever told, But if the marketing, advertizing was done by disney with CGI the result would have been defferent.

Sure but even Disney has had some major flops. Marketing helps but again more promotion, advertising etc for a movie won't guarantee more people will be interested in watching it. That's why some films perform far better than expected while some perform worse despite all the marketing.

I could be wrong but it still sounds like you're suggesting marketing is the main reason why so many anime films haven't grossed hundreds of millions more. Are the studio executives not aware of this? Would some Pokemon films and Broly outperform Spirited Away if they simply had more marketing?

No not just marketing but also a full scale major 4000+ screenings like any holywood movie and releasing on a full scale worldwide not just limited theatrical crap, because in my opinion Anime has passed that point long ago and demon slayer manga canon arc success prove my point.

[ObnoxiousNamek]

I find it interesting how, after 6 months from its creation, the Broly movie thread already had more than 100 pages of discussion. While this thread after 6 months is still at 80 pages. Is this forum not as hyped for this movie as it was for the Broly movie or what?

It’s as plain as day I mean ffs on Twitter aside from the title Broly returning was the main thing trending about this movie and that’s mostly likely a fanservice cameo appearance . Its funny how the last movie antagonist reappearance is carrying what little momentum this movie has on his back & it’s not even about him lol.

Often there is a great disdain of reusing past movie villains & fans are in love with the idea of new villains.But in actuality don’t want them (especially after the ones we got in Super). If Cooler,Janemba, or Bebi had been announced you’d see a noticeable difference in enthusiasm

[Skar]

No not just marketing but also a full scale major 4000+ screenings like any holywood movie and releasing on a full scale worldwide not just limited theatrical crap, because in my opinion Anime has passed that point long ago and demon slayer manga canon arc success prove my point.

Oh ok. I'm not sure if there's enough of an audience for an anime film to get a Hollywood wide release. Maybe one day but it's unlikely to happen by the time Super Hero is released. I recall that several Hollywood films being delayed during Covid helped Demon Slayer screen in more theaters. I don't know how much less it would've earned under normal circumstances but there would be fewer screenings and more competition.

[Demon Prince Piccolo]

Let's calm down with the breathless doomsaying. First of all, there's a lot of people in this thread saying they're excited about the ideas behind this movie and are looking forward to it. I know this, because I read the thread and I too am one of those people.

Second of all, its really boring lol. Complaining and whining gets old fast.

I want to say I'm surprised at how overdramatic some fans are being, but I'm not.

[capsulecorp]

Let's calm down with the breathless doomsaying. First of all, there's a lot of people in this thread saying they're excited about the ideas behind this movie and are looking forward to it. I know this, because I read the thread and I too am one of those people.

Second of all, its really boring lol. Complaining and whining gets old fast.

I want to say I'm surprised at how overdramatic some fans are being, but I'm not.

Maybe people need a lower stakes, slice of life approach to their own life or forum use!

[Demon Prince Piccolo]

I can honestly see this film bombing so hard it outright kills the Dragon Ball Revival era kickstarted by Battle of Gods.

It's fine to not have any interest in the movie, but this is overdramatic to the extreme. It's not going to take a single film to kill the revival that's been going on since 2013, even if Super Hero somehow does bomb. It would take like three consecutive bombs, which is highly improbable with this franchise.

[Grimlock]

If Cooler,Janemba, or Bebi had been announced you’d see a noticeable difference in enthusiasm

Understandable when it comes to Janemba and Baby. Both can bring a lot of interesting stuff to the table. Can't say the same about Cooler. Kuriza would be a lot more interesting since his personality is different and would work better (especially in this "slice of life" setting).

Not that we should keep coming up with counterparts, though. If you want to use past villains, use past villains. If they are from another dimension, open a portal and pull them out. Or you'll most certainly end up with a pointless character (see Broly).

[ObnoxiousNamek]

I can honestly see this film bombing so hard it outright kills the Dragon Ball Revival era kickstarted by Battle of Gods.

It's fine to not have any interest in the movie, but this is overdramatic to the extreme. It's not going to take a single film to kill the revival that's been going on since 2013, even if Super Hero somehow does bomb. It would take like three consecutive bombs, which is highly improbable with this franchise.

I don’t think a Dragonball animated film has ever bombed at the box office before? Underperform maybe.