Xeno Goku Black wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:43 pm
Where does Kefla and the Ultra Instinct Sign Goku that she fought rank amongst the Blue Vegito, Corrupted Zamasu and Trunks with the Sword of Hope?
Initial Jiren would have to be stronger than Zamasu via Shins words and Ultra Instinct Sign Goku matched him. Super Saiyan 2 Kefla was stated to be above that version of Goku too.
Is Kefla stronger than Zamasu? Doesn't seem like she should he because did quite well against Vegito and makes no sense for SSJ2 Kefla to be anywhere near SSJB Vegito.
Is this accurate
Jiren (Suppressed) > Corrupted Zamasu > Ultra Instinct Sign Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Kefla > Super Saiyan Kefla = Spirit Bomb
But where does Trunks rank? Obviously he should be above Zamasu but does it make sense for him to be above Kefla and Goku?
Is the energy Trunks absorbed to form the Sword of Hope stronger or weaker than the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb that Super Saiyan Kefla is comparable too? You'd think it wouldn't be but then Super Saiyan Kefla is stronger than Corrupted Zamasu seems odd.
A fair reminder that Kefla's Super Saiyan is supposedly the same variant that Broly uses in both of his incarnations, the Super Saiyan (Full Power) or Legendary Super Saiyan, so it's not that farfetched that she could stand up to SSB Vegito with it - Broly did manage to stand up to SSB Gogeta to some degree while pushing himself to his utmost limit (well, in raw power at least, he was completely outskilled in that fight). Ascend that form to it's SS2 equivalent, and then... Yeah, imo it's nothing to scoff at.
As a form, it seems to stand above even Super Saiyan God in terms of raw power - it made Kale go from weak (to U6 saiyan standards, in the anime) and stronger than SS Caulifla (in the manga) to just below Super Saiyan God (in the anime) and on the general level of the SSB tier (in the manga). In the same vein, it made Broly go from losing to an SSB (in his Wrathful state) to capable of fighting a
Blue Fusion and actually survive for an amazing amount of time.
But with that said, I wouldn't put SS Kefla close to the FT arc Fusions. Mostly because, when I look at Shin's statement, coupled with Whis' assessment and general context of the arcs' narrative, it stood to me it was Jiren's "true power" that was beyond everything they have faced thus far, and they could tell by just seeing how much power he was unleashing despite not even powering up properly.
So to me, if I were to give a scale of it, would be like
1. Jiren (FP, Shirtless) and UI Goku
2. SSB Vegito (FT Arc) and Jiren (FP, regular)
3. Corrupted Zamasu (FP)
4. UI Sign Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Kefla
5. Jiren (Heavily suppressed, fought UIS Goku in the special)
6. Super Saiyan Kefla, the U7 Spirit Bomb and even Zamasu (Halo, actually trying).