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Anyway, hopefully some of these guys didn't put all their Dragon Balls in one basket.
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It's even funnier when you realize they worked with him in the past to promote their stuff, and one of Steven Colbert's videos about the Omicron variant of Coronavirus used WAY MORE FOOTAGE from Toei (the Golden Freeza arc of DBS to be exact) than Totally Not Mark ever did in one video. While we're on the topic, I recently made a thread called "Copyright Law and Dragon Ball GB", and I thought, "Well now, couldn't I just set up a deal where Toei takes 70% of my ad revenue while I take the other 30%?" Would that be a workaround to copyright law?
Yeah and then he opened a shop where he sells Goku shirts:PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:50 am It really seems like there's a stark difference in expectations for what's acceptable behaviour when it comes to coverage of a non-original IP between foreign companies and similarly foreign influencers, particularly Japan in this case.
By all accounts, TNM (Totally Not Mark) was operating directly under his country's definitions of fair use, creating a transformative work that expands on usage of non-original IP content in an educational manner.
Okay, and that doesn't mean Toei were right to copyright strike down every single one of his videos. Maybe a few of them, but definitely not 3 years worth of transformative content, especially since they've collaborated before.Jord wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:57 amYeah and then he opened a shop where he sells Goku shirts:PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:50 am It really seems like there's a stark difference in expectations for what's acceptable behaviour when it comes to coverage of a non-original IP between foreign companies and similarly foreign influencers, particularly Japan in this case.
By all accounts, TNM (Totally Not Mark) was operating directly under his country's definitions of fair use, creating a transformative work that expands on usage of non-original IP content in an educational manner.
https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/Tot ... c1k5_8mql4&
Yes he drew the Goku design himself but you have to be very naive to think that any copyright holder would be okay with this.
It's like what I said before: copyright is abused by these publishers to monopolize art. The fact that there is no strictly international standard is also problematic because internet content creators like TNM.PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:50 am It really seems like there's a stark difference in expectations for what's acceptable behaviour when it comes to coverage of a non-original IP between foreign companies and similarly foreign influencers, particularly Japan in this case.
By all accounts, TNM (Totally Not Mark) was operating directly under his country's definitions of fair use, creating a transformative work that expands on usage of non-original IP content in an educational manner.
By Japanese standards, he'd be considered a copyright infringement case, shut and dry.
But then we get to the grey area: the Internet. He has an international audience, but he himself is subject to local law. And yet, despite plenty of other places having more overt and very much illegal copyright infringement that isn't transformative such as China's infamous lack of copyright control, Toei decided to focus on a public Western-originated face for their witch hunt.
Methinks we need to find a way to reconcile such international differences. Because while YouTube is one thing, American influencers legally operate under American copyright law and shouldn't be subject to the stricter definitions of Japanese copyright law if they base their income and household in the U.S. AND create content that is sufficiently transformative/educational in nature.
And of course, there's also the ethical narrative to consider: Toei is going after the little guy, someone who has supported Toei works and encouraged doing so while also fostering a community around Toei works. Meanwhile, Toei just let home-grown doujinshi slide and even allow blackmarket copyright cesspools like China go scott-free. It's not a good look for the corporate giant to be picking on individuals and not go after the real giants in copyright infringement.
I can see Toei getting pissed of by someone making money of their IP by selling bootleg t-shirts, especially since they also started selling offical DB-branded clothing world wide a few years ago. Whether it's justified or not depends on local laws (I don't know how the Japanese law operates in this regard) but when you base your channel on copyrighted content you'd probably be better off by not pissing of the company that produced the content. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:02 amOkay, and that doesn't mean Toei were right to copyright strike down every single one of his videos. Maybe a few of them, but definitely not 3 years worth of transformative content, especially since they've collaborated before.Jord wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:57 amYeah and then he opened a shop where he sells Goku shirts:PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:50 am It really seems like there's a stark difference in expectations for what's acceptable behaviour when it comes to coverage of a non-original IP between foreign companies and similarly foreign influencers, particularly Japan in this case.
By all accounts, TNM (Totally Not Mark) was operating directly under his country's definitions of fair use, creating a transformative work that expands on usage of non-original IP content in an educational manner.
https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/Tot ... c1k5_8mql4&
Yes he drew the Goku design himself but you have to be very naive to think that any copyright holder would be okay with this.
If other artists make money on copyrighted designs that doesn't automatically makes it right. The Goku character and design belongs to TOEI/SHUESHA and it's their choice whether they allow other people to make money out of of it. If you want to avoid that risk, just create your own characters. Oh but wait, using famous characters to sell shirts makes you more money.And even then, we still get into a clear grey area since plenty of artists can freely make money off of commissioned designs of non-original IPs that they've created themselves. It's not just a shut and dry case there either, especially in the internet age where companies are working under very ancient copyright inflexibility from decades back.
Kanzenshuu always keeping it real. I remember the days when Youtubers would post a new Kanzenshuu article or Herms tweet and ramble on to reach the ten minute mark. I'm not sure if they still do that because I left away from that side of Youtube.VegettoEX wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:20 amKanzenshuu doesn't avoid monetization because of copyright concerns. We do it because we think it's the right thing to do. We do it because of the internet culture we were brought up in. We do it because we believe there should be a completely independent, unbiased, unswayable source of pure information. You trust us because of the people we are, the ethics we hold, the actions we take, the quality of our work, and the longevity of it all.
Fanwork is a pretty niche audience compared to the overall fan base. Even the most popular fanwork that have hundreds of thousands to a few million fans is barely 1% of the global DB audience. I don't think it'll have a negative impact on the official release since companies that are even stricter than Toei haven't suffered for doing this.Mr_CINDER wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:29 amHowever the damage is done even Penguinz0(awesome youtuber) uploaded that video, he himself also a DB fan and anime fan in general and his subscriber base is huge(9 million+),at this point Toei need every little favour they can get for the marketing campaign and then this happens.Marketing is THE KEY for any movie to Succeed globaly dosesnt matter how much big name franchise it is.