"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Gt91]

Apparently there are some leaked images floating around

Spoiler:

of Granolah using UE

He used some sort of destructive power against the Heeters (just after the wish), so everything is possible.
We'll see.

[Alruneia]

Putting this here since it relates more to the arc as a whole than chapter 79 specifically:

I've been thinking a bit about how the Granolah arc has been, and is, developing, with Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero in mind. The way I see it, chapter 79, along with 80 and 81 probably, are gonna be really important as far as the development of the arc goes. If the battle with Gas turns into an extended match just like the Granolah battle, then it's gonna seem like the arc's plot as a whole isn't gonna go anywhere, unless the arc lasts until chapter 100 or something anyway. If the plot evolves during the fight and manages to set up a path to a final confrontation, though, then we're cooking. Chapter 79 should give a good hint at which one it'll be.

Thing is, though, in either of these cases I don't see any way for the arc to (non-abruptly) end in time for DBSSH. If we assume that the manga will handle DBSSH in the same way as Broly, i.e with a panel between arcs timed to match up with the movie's release month, there's no way the arc can end in a satisfying way in the next 13 or fewer chapters (it'll be 13 if DBSSH comes out December 2022, so that's the max) unless the pacing goes way up and/or there's practically no plot left. And the idea that the arc will end in time for the movie is a sentiment I see quite often, including here in this thread. But... there's no way! This battle with Gas surely can't be the start of the final confrontation, and during the Moro arc, the final confrontation lasted for something like 10 chapters, and this arc is slower paced than the Moro arc was! (Or at least I feel like it is...)
So I'm sure the manga will deal with DBSSH's release in another way... but how should it do that? I mean, it can't just interrupt itself in the middle of the Granolah arc and go "HEY WATCH THIS MOVIE anyway back to the story", that would be awful, but it wouldn't be smart to not acknowledge it either. So... maybe the arc has a big timeskip while the characters prepare for the final fight, a really big timeskip, and DBSSH happens during it? I don't know, just brainstorming. My main point is that something's gotta give, we can't have the current pacing, a complete plot and an ending in time for DBSSH. So it'll at least be interesting to see how that'll be dealt with.

[Xeogran]

Thing is, though, in either of these cases I don't see any way for the arc to (non-abruptly) end in time for DBSSH.

For me that's obvious. This arc hasn't even properly revealed the strongest one, as in THE character that Oracle Fish was talking about, who will change balance of the universe. Couldn't be Granolah because he's a good guy already, and they're already fighting Gas too so I doubt that's him either.

Then, there's the case that Heeters still have like 7 or 8 questions answered from Zuno we don't know about, and this naturally means more cliffhangers.

For my last point, I believe the movie will release sooner than in December too, hopefully either on Spring or Summer. We should get to know the release date this week anyway so just leaving it here.

[jd55513]

Putting this here since it relates more to the arc as a whole than chapter 79 specifically:

I've been thinking a bit about how the Granolah arc has been, and is, developing, with Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero in mind. The way I see it, chapter 79, along with 80 and 81 probably, are gonna be really important as far as the development of the arc goes. If the battle with Gas turns into an extended match just like the Granolah battle, then it's gonna seem like the arc's plot as a whole isn't gonna go anywhere, unless the arc lasts until chapter 100 or something anyway. If the plot evolves during the fight and manages to set up a path to a final confrontation, though, then we're cooking. Chapter 79 should give a good hint at which one it'll be.

Thing is, though, in either of these cases I don't see any way for the arc to (non-abruptly) end in time for DBSSH. If we assume that the manga will handle DBSSH in the same way as Broly, i.e with a panel between arcs timed to match up with the movie's release month, there's no way the arc can end in a satisfying way in the next 13 or fewer chapters (it'll be 13 if DBSSH comes out December 2022, so that's the max) unless the pacing goes way up and/or there's practically no plot left. And the idea that the arc will end in time for the movie is a sentiment I see quite often, including here in this thread. But... there's no way! This battle with Gas surely can't be the start of the final confrontation, and during the Moro arc, the final confrontation lasted for something like 10 chapters, and this arc is slower paced than the Moro arc was! (Or at least I feel like it is...)
So I'm sure the manga will deal with DBSSH's release in another way... but how should it do that? I mean, it can't just interrupt itself in the middle of the Granolah arc and go "HEY WATCH THIS MOVIE anyway back to the story", that would be awful, but it wouldn't be smart to not acknowledge it either. So... maybe the arc has a big timeskip while the characters prepare for the final fight, a really big timeskip, and DBSSH happens during it? I don't know, just brainstorming. My main point is that something's gotta give, we can't have the current pacing, a complete plot and an ending in time for DBSSH. So it'll at least be interesting to see how that'll be dealt with.

Yeah I agree, I did a video with Unrealentgaming, for our chapter 79 predictions, and I brought up how the pacing may be similar to Moro. We are about 11 chapters into the Granolah arc, and the Moro arc was about 25 chapters, so almost halfway, however, like you pointed out, the pacing has been quite slow to setup Granolah vs the Saiyans, and we have had extended battles. I still hope that the Gas fight only last 2 chapters max. I still am hesitant to think Gas was made to be the strongest, it's too too predictable.

Elec is the key piece that will determine how long this arc will be.

I don't see Elec making a third wish, that's POWER based AGAIN, instead I hope he makes a knowledge based wish, centered around the plot of what the Heeter objectives are, which is to control Freezes army and take over the universe with Intel as their bargaining chip.

Hopefully OG-73 army factors into that.

Usually December/January V jump issues have huge climaxes for their series at this point, so we may see the Elec second wish pretty soon hopefully!

I also agree that for DBS:SH they will probably do the Broly manga promotion that they did before. I DO NOT see them starting a new after Granolah, but before Super Hero, it would be quite shocking, we are so close to End of Z (Peaceful World arc)

[MCDaveG]

As many people pointed out, the pacing now feels really sluggish.
The arcs before were basically an abridged version of Super anime with some cool touch ups, mostly during the Future Trunks arc,
but now it is so stretched and kinda boring.

I think that what might help is going through the manga again till the end of Moro arc, so I can get a clear picture, but as I was desperately waiting for Moro arc climax fight to end finally, I am kinda fatigued to do so.
The fight with Granolah felt like ages, more so that there wasn't any plot twist or turn that we didn't anticipated, as everyone knew from the beginning that Heeters set them up and the fight was actually a pointless one.

[kemuri07]

This battle with Gas surely can't be the start of the final confrontation, and during the Moro arc, the final confrontation lasted for something like 10 chapters, and this arc is slower paced than the Moro arc was! (Or at least I feel like it is...)

It is possible that DBSH is exactly the reason why this arc feels particularly slower than most. Because I agree that there's no way that Gas is the final villain here. This all has a "prelude" feel to it, and the culmination of this arc will most likely lead to "the real villian." Because if not...oh boy, I will be very, very upset. But I don't think that's going to happen.

We still have no idea what's going on with Freeza, after all.

[UpFromTheSkies]

So supposedly this is the official reveal of Ultra Ego's hair color

[Jinto]

This battle with Gas surely can't be the start of the final confrontation, and during the Moro arc, the final confrontation lasted for something like 10 chapters, and this arc is slower paced than the Moro arc was! (Or at least I feel like it is...)

It is possible that DBSH is exactly the reason why this arc feels particularly slower than most. Because I agree that there's no way that Gas is the final villain here. This all has a "prelude" feel to it, and the culmination of this arc will most likely lead to "the real villian." Because if not...oh boy, I will be very, very upset. But I don't think that's going to happen.

We still have no idea what's going on with Freeza, after all.

Seeing Toyotaro past record of taking the safest route, this arc is gonna end with Gas fighting Granolah with both of them dying at the end with Granolah achieving his revenge. The heeters are captured and left to the Patrolman. The new dragon ball are destroyed and everything return to statu quo as if nothing happened.
Vegeta may even lose "ultra ego".

The film/anime were always the primary canon and the one allowed to shake up the DB world.

[OLKv3]

Apparently there are some leaked images floating around

Spoiler:

of Granolah using UE

He used some sort of destructive power against the Heeters (just after the wish), so everything is possible.
We'll see.

Tell me you guys didn't believe those obviously faked pics

[FortuneSSJ]

-Chapter 79 drafts-
I like what I see and I also don't think we're on the final act yet.

So supposedly this is the official reveal of Ultra Ego's hair color

Spoiler:

Unfortunately getting a new hair color was inevitable, but I do like that purple tone and the red eyes were a pleasant surprise. Curious to see how the aura will look like.

[Mr_CINDER]

Two of the strongest in the universe clash fists, they all wished for it. legendary writing there folks.

[MCDaveG]

Oooof, not a fan of these colored hair :/
Ice cream colors. Happy that the manga itself is just black and white.

[PurestEvil]

I expected a more subtle tint of purple, but the UE hair is okay.

[Yuji]

This basically confirms UE is already complete and not a Sign equivalent.

[Koitsukai]

So, UE colours are purple, hair and eyes.

[Xeogran]

This basically confirms UE is already complete and not a Sign equivalent.

Yeah, if Omen would able to put this much of a fight against Strongest of the Universe, then a hypothetical perfect UE would just be broken. That's a good decision.

[VegettoEX]

Reminder:

Individual discussion threads for individual chapters are now in use. The thread for chapter 79 has been opened following the Weekly Dragon Ball News draft tease and subsequent actual draft releases.

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[TheSaiyanGod]

This basically confirms UE is already complete and not a Sign equivalent.

I don't think we need an Omen / Sign version of Ultra Ego anyway, to be honest. This would culminate in yet another transformation and UE is fine as it is. As far as we know, it has never been revealed whether UI Omen was planned by Toriyama (as we only have his designs/statements about the Silver Haired form). Could this form have just been a way to extend the ToP arc and avoid an early reveal of the Completed UI? Maybe, and if that's the case I don't see a reason why UE would need it.

Vegeta has already stated that he is just a novice with the power of destruction and Goku is still at the bottom when it comes to the mastery of UI, so I believe (and hope) that any progress the two make will be focused solely on improving the Divine techniques / forms they currently have

[Gt91]

Apparently there are some leaked images floating around

Spoiler:

of Granolah using UE

He used some sort of destructive power against the Heeters (just after the wish), so everything is possible.
We'll see.

Tell me you guys didn't believe those obviously faked pics

Of course not, but it's not an impossible scenario.

[HeroR]

This basically confirms UE is already complete and not a Sign equivalent.

I don't think we need an Omen / Sign version of Ultra Ego anyway, to be honest. This would culminate in yet another transformation and UE is fine as it is. As far as we know, it has never been revealed whether UI Omen was planned by Toriyama (as we only have his designs/statements about the Silver Haired form). Could this form have just been a way to extend the ToP arc and avoid an early reveal of the Completed UI? Maybe, and if that's the case I don't see a reason why UE would need it.

Vegeta has already stated that he is just a novice with the power of destruction and Goku is still at the bottom when it comes to the mastery of UI, so I believe (and hope) that any progress the two make will be focused solely on improving the Divine techniques / forms they currently have

That’s kinda moot since UE wasn’t made by Toriyama and the whole idea about the form is Toyo. So Toyo could do basically whatever he wanted as long as Toriyama okayed it. And Omen was made by the anime staff to buildup for the completed form of UI, which is why there’s no Toriyama draft of Omen and people thought the manga would skip it.