It’s totally irrelevant the difference between combat speed and travel speed, since both are used in battle, and we are not debating who is punching or blocking faster, but rather moving faster.NickLord wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 3:34 pmFirst of all, you are confusing travel speed with combat speed. Second, Where was it ever doubted that Goku could travel to get Roshi's shades at that amount of time? Third, you are making the false assumption that Piccolo immediately went after Gotenks after he started flying around the world when in reality he only started looking for him a while after latter defused, and the Goku & Vegeta scene with Buuhan is pure plot convenience.Hugo Boss wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:41 pm It’s not about being in denial or not, it’s just that I don’t think destroying the moon like that is a very good indication of faster than light movement when we have a whole scene describing how a massively stronger and faster version of Goku can’t move to Muten Roshi’s house and return to the location Freeza’s spaceship landed in a matter of seconds.
On top of that we have Gotenks taking a nap while Piccolo was trying to catch him. If Piccolo was faster than light that time, he would have found Gotenks as soon as he stopped. Goku and Vegeta also had plenty time to discuss whether or not use the Potara while Majin Boo was chasing them.
As far as I’ve been on this community I’ve only seen faster than light records coming from spaceships. Dragon Ball Super manga has Jiren claiming he can travel faster than that, so that should at least be a safe call (even Dyspo is baffled at his speed).
The scene about the introduction of instantaneous movement is blatantly clear. Goku could only prove he could teleport, because that feat was beyond his capability without the technique. Before they realized where he got the glasses, they thought Goku was just deceiving them with quick movement.
Wrong. Piccolo started searching for Gotenks as soon as he left Kami’s temple and reached him before they defused, which happened within the timeframe of 30 minutes. And they had time to take a nap while Piccolo was searching, so it took him at least 10 minutes.
So, let’s excuse a clear indication of slower than light movement because of plot convenience? Boo tried to reach them as fast as he could and even tried to attack them as soon as he spotted them. He obviously had no interest in slowing down.