Why are so many DB creators becoming subject to Toei's wrath?

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Now that's a real dick move on their part.

It'll depend on where the small creator is located in terms of their content audience. Just like with Mark, if they aren't primarily based in a Japanese viewing situation, they shouldn't be taken to court within Japan's legal system as per YT's new statements on the matter.

I hope the larger creators take notice and create another big stink that'll be noticed by the powers that be.

[KingVegetto]

I hope Sho Pro falls flat on their fucking faces.

Just heard about Suede, disgusting that Sho-Pro are using Mafia-style tactics to try and go after anyone using even a scrap of footage of Pokemon. If they win this case what's to stop them from going after Pokemon fansites like Dogasu's Backpack next? I hope somehow Sho-Pro can be forced to drop the case.

They’re hypocrites. They’re two-faced. A lot of them have ties to shit like Newgrounds, despite how they publicly try to pass themselves off as these nice and accepting people. I've seen actors like Kira Buckland and Erica Lindbeck (the voice of Cheelai) express support for BLM, despite working with bigoted edgelords like Hotdiggeydemon and Psychicpebbles. If you want to work with shitty people, fine, but don’t try to pass yourself off as a progressive person.

That... doesn't really make sense? I mean, how does any of that translate to "voice actors are shitty people"? Sure, there may be some line-crossing stuff on Newgrounds, but the majority of the content there seems harmless, especially back in the 2000s when voice actors made their names there in the first place. And I have no idea who those "bigoted edgelords" are, but if you can only think of two examples of voice actors being somewhat hypocritical, the idea that all voice actors are two-faced bigots who deserve to die seems like a major stretch.

Newgrounds creators in general just come across as people with shitty views who never grew past their edgy teen phase. They also protected Shadman for years.

Also, if you don’t know who Psychicpebbles is, here’s a hint; he’s the creator of that recent Adult Swim show Smiling Friends, which Erica Lindbeck is in.

What's wrong with Shadman? Yeah his erotic art isn't for everyone(though I quite like some of it myself, especially his art on Raven of Teen Titans)but he doesn't strike me as an alt-right nutjob or anything like that.

[WittyUsername]

What's wrong with Shadman? Yeah his erotic art isn't for everyone(though I quite like some of it myself, especially his art on Raven of Teen Titans)but he doesn't strike me as an alt-right nutjob or anything like that.

He draws literal child porn. I don’t even mean of cartoon children, I mean that he draws porn of actual children who exist in real life, like Dafne Keen (the girl who played X-23 in Logan) and Keemstar’s daughter. That is genuinely fucked up. Of course, Shadman also got arrested recently, although it was apparently for something unrelated to his drawings. Still, it seemed to be a fairly serious crime regardless.

The fact that Psychicpebbles and the rest of the OneyPlays guys were seemingly cool with this guy for years is just gross. As I said though, they’re also pals with JonTron, and Zach (Psychicpebbles) seems to share similar views. And as I mentioned earlier, they also seem to be fans of Kiwi Farms, which is an Internet forum that’s dedicated to harassing and doxing people, especially if they’re autistic and/or trans. If all these VA’s want to be associated with people like that, that’s their business, but it makes them look like hypocrites to me.

Regardless, I acknowledged earlier that I went too far when I suggested that these people should lose their livelihoods. Human beings are complex, and I am willing to accept the idea that just because someone works with questionable people, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a bad person. Andrew Garfield worked with Mel Gibson, but that doesn’t mean he endorsed Gibson’s past behavior.

Anyway, this thing with Sho Pro sounds like a dick move.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Looking at the exact details, Sho Pro is very heavily abusing legal loopholes to undermine someone by making court sues for videos individually and sending each individual notice to YT to bypass their copyright system.

Guy not only has his channel being taken down, but he's gotta pay out for every single view regardless of monetization if there were ANY Japanese views of the videos.

This isn't just copyrights holders being petty and overprotective; this is actual fricking corrupt business/legal practice. Like, legitimately corrupt and morally bankrupt. This is the kind of corruption of foreign legal proceedings that requires actual international legal action. Taking down videos via YT's sh*tty system, even if it's an abuse of it, is one thing.

But this? I don't want to see anyone defending this. This is unacceptable.

[JulieYBM]

Laws are written to protect property. Those who hold grip on the most property inevitably benefit first and foremost from this. While we one might think "this is a bridge too far!" In the case of Sho Pro it really is not operating under any different logic than in, say, the issue with Mark or any other YouTuber. Saying one is good and the other is bad is arbitrary and I think we should recognize that situations like with Suede are the inevitable outcome of giving so much control to property owners in a system where want is a necessary component of keeping the system running.

[KingVegetto]

What's wrong with Shadman? Yeah his erotic art isn't for everyone(though I quite like some of it myself, especially his art on Raven of Teen Titans)but he doesn't strike me as an alt-right nutjob or anything like that.

He draws literal child porn. I don’t even mean of cartoon children, I mean that he draws porn of actual children who exist in real life, like Dafne Keen (the girl who played X-23 in Logan) and Keemstar’s daughter. That is genuinely fucked up. Of course, Shadman also got arrested recently, although it was apparently for something unrelated to his drawings. Still, it seemed to be a fairly serious crime regardless.

The fact that Psychicpebbles and the rest of the OneyPlays guys were seemingly cool with this guy for years is just gross. As I said though, they’re also pals with JonTron, and Zach (Psychicpebbles) seems to share similar views. And as I mentioned earlier, they also seem to be fans of Kiwi Farms, which is an Internet forum that’s dedicated to harassing and doxing people, especially if they’re autistic and/or trans. If all these VA’s want to be associated with people like that, that’s their business, but it makes them look like hypocrites to me.

Regardless, I acknowledged earlier that I went too far when I suggested that these people should lose their livelihoods. Human beings are complex, and I am willing to accept the idea that just because someone works with questionable people, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a bad person. Andrew Garfield worked with Mel Gibson, but that doesn’t mean he endorsed Gibson’s past behavior.

Anyway, this thing with Sho Pro sounds like a dick move.

Really? Never heard about that, I could understand him doing it for famous young actresses, but doing it to Keem's daughter is a bit much. Even if I think Keemstar is personally a FAR FAR worse person then Shadman as he once infamously accused an older gamer on Twitch of being a "pedophile" and basically sent a whole swarm of his sychophants after him, bullying him to the point of tears, which is something that resonates as I had that same bullshit accusation of being a "pedo" leveled at me on another forum I was a member of(just because of a few fanfics I wrote on AO3, which mind you were downright tame compared to a lot of stuff on that site) and a few days later I suddenly found myself IP banned from the forum, no warnings or temp-bans or anything, just gone. Before my ban I'd told the admins and mods about what happened and they basically told me that since this user was attacking me in a PM there was "nothing they could do", they could only take action if that person was posting that sort of thing publicly, which absolutely floored me, as that basically meant that users on that forum could get away with pretty much anything if they said it in a PM(sending other users unsolicited nudes, death and rape threats, racist attacks, illegal links, etc). I'm now convinced that user(who had been on that forum for over 15 years, so the mods were definitely playing favorites here as i'd only been a member for a few months)convinced the admin and mods of their lies about me, that's the only explanation that makes sense. It was too bad because I'd enjoyed discussing things on that forum otherwise, but I can't say i'll miss being repeatedly gaslit on there.

Didn't hear about Shadman getting arrested either, I still like his art in spite of all that though(and from what i've read in 2019 he stopped drawing loli because of the controversy he was getting)

[MasenkoHA]

What's wrong with Shadman? Yeah his erotic art isn't for everyone(though I quite like some of it myself, especially his art on Raven of Teen Titans)but he doesn't strike me as an alt-right nutjob or anything like that.

He draws literal child porn. I don’t even mean of cartoon children, I mean that he draws porn of actual children who exist in real life, like Dafne Keen (the girl who played X-23 in Logan) and Keemstar’s daughter. That is genuinely fucked up. Of course, Shadman also got arrested recently, although it was apparently for something unrelated to his drawings. Still, it seemed to be a fairly serious crime regardless.

The fact that Psychicpebbles and the rest of the OneyPlays guys were seemingly cool with this guy for years is just gross. As I said though, they’re also pals with JonTron, and Zach (Psychicpebbles) seems to share similar views. And as I mentioned earlier, they also seem to be fans of Kiwi Farms, which is an Internet forum that’s dedicated to harassing and doxing people, especially if they’re autistic and/or trans. If all these VA’s want to be associated with people like that, that’s their business, but it makes them look like hypocrites to me.

Regardless, I acknowledged earlier that I went too far when I suggested that these people should lose their livelihoods. Human beings are complex, and I am willing to accept the idea that just because someone works with questionable people, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a bad person. Andrew Garfield worked with Mel Gibson, but that doesn’t mean he endorsed Gibson’s past behavior.

Anyway, this thing with Sho Pro sounds like a dick move.

Really? Never heard about that, I could understand him doing it for famous young actresses,

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Looking at the exact details, Sho Pro is very heavily abusing legal loopholes to undermine someone by making court sues for videos individually and sending each individual notice to YT to bypass their copyright system.

Guy not only has his channel being taken down, but he's gotta pay out for every single view regardless of monetization if there were ANY Japanese views of the videos.

This isn't just copyrights holders being petty and overprotective; this is actual fricking corrupt business/legal practice. Like, legitimately corrupt and morally bankrupt. This is the kind of corruption of foreign legal proceedings that requires actual international legal action. Taking down videos via YT's sh*tty system, even if it's an abuse of it, is one thing.

But this? I don't want to see anyone defending this. This is unacceptable.

Geeze Louise, this is F'ed up beyond belief. I think this even rises to outright abuse of legal procedures and bastardized abusing of loopholes without any way to defend against it, and Sho Pro's actions needs to be slapped down and flat out REJECTED. I don't see how anyone could see this as good or reasonable in any way. The way they approached it was sleazy as hell, no clear cut definition of the monetary charges or anything.

You know what's even more nuts? The fact that they are claiming against him with an international case considering he doesn't reside in or near Japan's jurisdiction.

[WittyUsername]

Is there nothing that can be done to stop Sho Pro?

[KingVegetto]

He draws literal child porn. I don’t even mean of cartoon children, I mean that he draws porn of actual children who exist in real life, like Dafne Keen (the girl who played X-23 in Logan) and Keemstar’s daughter. That is genuinely fucked up. Of course, Shadman also got arrested recently, although it was apparently for something unrelated to his drawings. Still, it seemed to be a fairly serious crime regardless.

The fact that Psychicpebbles and the rest of the OneyPlays guys were seemingly cool with this guy for years is just gross. As I said though, they’re also pals with JonTron, and Zach (Psychicpebbles) seems to share similar views. And as I mentioned earlier, they also seem to be fans of Kiwi Farms, which is an Internet forum that’s dedicated to harassing and doxing people, especially if they’re autistic and/or trans. If all these VA’s want to be associated with people like that, that’s their business, but it makes them look like hypocrites to me.

Regardless, I acknowledged earlier that I went too far when I suggested that these people should lose their livelihoods. Human beings are complex, and I am willing to accept the idea that just because someone works with questionable people, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’re a bad person. Andrew Garfield worked with Mel Gibson, but that doesn’t mean he endorsed Gibson’s past behavior.

Anyway, this thing with Sho Pro sounds like a dick move.

Really? Never heard about that, I could understand him doing it for famous young actresses,

I meant because that kind of art is accepted in Japan and not illegal, so I don't see it as much of a big deal here, but I can see why it turns others off.

[JulieYBM]

Really? Never heard about that, I could understand him doing it for famous young actresses,

I meant because that kind of art is accepted in Japan and not illegal, so I don't see it as much of a big deal here, but I can see why it turns others off.

'That kind of art' by Japanese artists isn't of real people.

[VegettoEX]

Woof. Topic. Let’s stick to it. Thanks!

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

We really need to see a positive outcome from the ShoPro situation.

If it turns out in the company's favour, what's to stop an endless tide of other Japanese companies from doing the same and effectively wiping out anime-based content from YouTube entirely?

Only thing I could see working is YouTube blocking off Japan entirely, which is monumental but might well be necessary if companies like ShoPro are willing to stoop to such dirty tactics.

[WittyUsername]

We really need to see a positive outcome from the ShoPro situation.

If it turns out in the company's favour, what's to stop an endless tide of other Japanese companies from doing the same and effectively wiping out anime-based content from YouTube entirely?

Only thing I could see working is YouTube blocking off Japan entirely, which is monumental but might well be necessary if companies like ShoPro are willing to stoop to such dirty tactics.

I can’t imagine YouTube doing something as extreme as that.

[KingVegetto]

We really need to see a positive outcome from the ShoPro situation.

If it turns out in the company's favour, what's to stop an endless tide of other Japanese companies from doing the same and effectively wiping out anime-based content from YouTube entirely?

Only thing I could see working is YouTube blocking off Japan entirely, which is monumental but might well be necessary if companies like ShoPro are willing to stoop to such dirty tactics.

I can’t imagine YouTube doing something as extreme as that.

Best option would be to have Geo-Blocking videos in Japan available for every Youtuber making a living on there(and not just ones on MCN's or big ones like Mark)which is what Suede is encouraging, and I very much agree.

[Jord]

We really need to see a positive outcome from the ShoPro situation.

If it turns out in the company's favour, what's to stop an endless tide of other Japanese companies from doing the same and effectively wiping out anime-based content from YouTube entirely?

Only thing I could see working is YouTube blocking off Japan entirely, which is monumental but might well be necessary if companies like ShoPro are willing to stoop to such dirty tactics.

Will never happen. That doesn't make any financial sence. There is far more to Youtube than flaky anime content.

[Adamant]

I'm preeeeeetty sure Youtube values the entirety of the Japanese Youtuber community far far more than the "community" of people that want to profit off videos that contain anime clips.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

We really need to see a positive outcome from the ShoPro situation.

If it turns out in the company's favour, what's to stop an endless tide of other Japanese companies from doing the same and effectively wiping out anime-based content from YouTube entirely?

Only thing I could see working is YouTube blocking off Japan entirely, which is monumental but might well be necessary if companies like ShoPro are willing to stoop to such dirty tactics.

I can’t imagine YouTube doing something as extreme as that.

Best option would be to have Geo-Blocking videos in Japan available for every Youtuber making a living on there(and not just ones on MCN's or big ones like Mark)which is what Suede is encouraging, and I very much agree.

That sounds reasonable. One of the main dick moves on ShoPro's part was making it so that ANY Japanese views meant ALL of the views had to be paid out for.

I think this is probably the most realistic case, and one that should be encouraged.

[KingVegetto]

I can’t imagine YouTube doing something as extreme as that.

Best option would be to have Geo-Blocking videos in Japan available for every Youtuber making a living on there(and not just ones on MCN's or big ones like Mark)which is what Suede is encouraging, and I very much agree.

That sounds reasonable. One of the main dick moves on ShoPro's part was making it so that ANY Japanese views meant ALL of the views had to be paid out for.

I think this is probably the most realistic case, and one that should be encouraged.

I'd be surprised if Suede's videos got ANY views in Japan whatsoever, cause I doubt the audience over there cares about what some English guy thinks about the western dub of the show.

Kotaku has now picked this story up, so that should make things interesting:https://kotaku.com/youtube-shopro-suede ... 1848478203

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

Okay, two things:

1. WHO THE FUCK IS THIS SHO PRO GUY YOU PEOPLE KEEP MENTIONING?
2. Dunno if you guys have seen this, but TNM posted another update video, and you can view it right here.