Monica Rial, Jamie Marchi Launch Podcast About Vic Mignogna Defamation Case

[Shaddy]

...Well. I hope the mod team is prepared for the drama that will inevitably blossom from this.

[VegettoEX]

Rather than add to the noise, why not instead actually comment on its content yourself? Insight? Thoughts? Learn anything? Anything? Anything at all?

Y’all are killing me here.

[JulieYBM]

Talking is very helpful, I find, to processing trauma and grief. People handle trauma in different ways, in my experience, so I don't want anyone coming in and admonishing these two women if they're tongue-in-cheek ala their podcast's tagline. It'll be interesting to see if they script out the podcast first and read the lines or have a free-form discussion on the subjects at hand.

[Cursed Lemon]

I like that they included a quote from Greg Doucette on the podcast website. Following him on Twitter through this whole ordeal was an absolute laugh factory.

[Anonymous Friend]

Sorry, i should be more specific, i was just wondering, why not wait until case close? Vic might be guilty, but we also had cases of false accusations ruinging people's life

You don't even seem to know what "the case" is, though.

"The case" is that Vic sued these ladies for defamation. He lost. He literally told the court he did the things they said he did. He admitted to the bad things. He demonstrated how he did the things. The judge said goodbye you have lost pay their fees now. It ended. It's over.

(He appealed, sure, but woof like that's gonna go anywhere.)

So again: please actually read and listen to the things before running in going excuse me excuse me but what about the poor creepy man??? These kinds of responses shouldn't even exist if you're actually reading, actually listening, etc... and not just brainwashed by a bunch of folks whose entire purpose is to keep you misinformed, keep you angry, keep you guessing, and make a quick buck off of you.

My administrative (and personal, if you can't tell) patience on this is so goddamn thin.

Is it really so wrong to keep a "innocent till proven guilty" stance on something so important. It's not like there ins't historical example of falsely accused. Plenty of black men went missing or were straight up lynched based off wrong information in the past. Bigger celebrities than these actors were making falsiifed claims and were later found to be lying. I myself have been in a situation where reports were made about me, and it turned out the person was wrong. It seems we live in this world now where truth does not matter anymore. As long as the accusation exists, that all it takes. Maybe that's what "Make America Great Again" means.

If Vic's a dirtbag, he should get what dirtbags deserve. Doesn't matter though, he's still get treated like a dirtbag either way.

[VegettoEX]

I am once again coming before you to ask:

Are you reading the things you’re responding to before you type words and hit post? You even specifically QUOTED the answer here.

Is it just a bit with you guys at this point? Someone please tell me so I can sigh a big ol’ sigh of relief. I’m starting to take it as a personal failing that folks posting on the message board attached to Kanzenshuu are still coming back with this stuff.

[MetaMoss]

I am once again coming before you to ask:

Are you reading the things you’re responding to before you type words and hit post? You even specifically QUOTED the answer here.

Is it just a bit with you guys at this point? Someone please tell me so I can sigh a big ol’ sigh of relief. I’m starting to take it as a personal failing that folks posting on the message board attached to Kanzenshuu are still coming back with this stuff.

Refreshing the forum throughout the day today and seeing that you yet again were the most recent poster on this thread, all I could think was "Oh jeez, Mike is just having a day today, isn't he?" I can at least say that the effort of yours and others back on the original thread ensured I was properly informed about this one.

As for the actual topic of this thread , I've already added it to my podcast listener. I always appreciate a retrospective on a controversy that's at least a few years removed, and I'm glad to see that Rial and Marchi are now able to take this whole thing with at least a bit of humor. Since I didn't get too far into the weeds on this issue when it was a fresh concern, I am certainly interested to learn about the dimensions of bullshit I didn't hear about back then.

[JulieYBM]

Mic Vignogna has literally admitted to doing the things he was accused of and still wants to say "I did nothing wrong!" So no, he should fuck off for eternity.

[Cursed Lemon]

"Can't we just give the guy with a two-decades-long rap sheet of sexual harassment allegations the benefit of the doubt? WHAT HAPPENED TO STANDARDS"

Vic has never once been either criminally charged nor civilly served for sexual harassment. He has never once been in danger of going to jail or paying restitution to the literal dozens of women who have said shit about him. The court of public opinion, on the other hand, has no "innocent until proven guilty" precept. He's a fucking degenerate, Trump-esque clown who finally proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt when he hired the most degenerate clown-ass legal team he could find to represent him, because people like that always gravitate toward each other like human black holes.

[Yuji]

I think instead of replying to everyone suggesting they should have something substantial to add to the topic, you should instead realize after 2 pages that there's no actual substantial discussion to be had if you need to keep making interventions after every post.

What's anyone expecting anyone to say? Vic bad. Hear hear. Vic.. Not bad? Get banned.

[JulieYBM]

Banning people who don't think he is bad sounds like a good idea!

[PurestEvil]

There are two kinds of kickvickers:
Those that want him gone for the horrible things he did
Those that are content with his expulsion thinking he is too “””good””” for Funimation.

[Aim]

The whole right side has become so obsessed with “women lying”, it’s insane. They pick up so many insecure men which the anime community is chock full of. And fyi, lying is so uncommon with sexual assault, in fact it’s the opposite, it’s actually underreported.

All of a sudden people are SJW’s again, feminist (all women are feminists to these morons).
What is going on and how do we stop this shit.

[Yuji]

Banning people who don't think he is bad sounds like a good idea!

The point isn't whether or not that's a good thing - I don't care who's banned for what, that's not up to me to decide. The point is that expecting a different discussion from the same talking points two years ago, when everyone had their opinion already solidly cemented after a few weeks, and getting upset when that doesn't happen strikes me as a bit silly.

[Shaddy]

Well, I listened to the first episode. Marchi and Rial have a good dynamic, and kept it pretty light given the subject matter. I'm not sure what else they're planning to do in the future, but I did learn a couple things (or perhaps was refreshed on things I forgot), like the earliest accusations dating back to the 80s, and the concrete order in which things happened, and some stories about other victims I hadn't heard before. Maybe future episodes will just center around the experience of being stuck in the middle of the controversy, and that could be enough to carry it depending on who guests. I wonder if Doucette can pull off the same wit verbally as he can in text.

Also, sorry Mike for my lame post before. I actually had something more substantive written up, but I felt like my writing was vague and easily-misinterpreted, and I didn't wanna stick my foot in my mouth, so I just cut it to just the "sorry about the inevitable shitstorm" bit. I just know this stuff isn't easy.

[JulieYBM]

Banning people who don't think he is bad sounds like a good idea!

The point isn't whether or not that's a good thing - I don't care who's banned for what, that's not up to me to decide. The point is that expecting a different discussion from the same talking points two years ago, when everyone had their opinion already solidly cemented after a few weeks, and getting upset when that doesn't happen strikes me as a bit silly.

Mike is expecting people to read the posts in the thread and talk about the actual facts, not just talk out of their asses, which people are perfectly capable of doing and should be expected to do.

[VegettoEX]

Sure, right, that's absolutely the baseline here. It's a message board. You're conversing with your fellow fans. If you're not actually reading the posts that come before you (like, really reading and making an effort to chew on it), you're not conversing: you're just spewing into the void, and it's totally transparent when that happens.

Anyway, despite doing this for well over two decades, you might think I'm old (yes), jaded (sometimes), and disenfranchised (sometimes)... but I'm not, really. I actually still believe in people, still love offering up my space for everyone, still think people are ultimately good at heart... it's just... they sometimes get led astray.

Those coming in and still saying "well let's see how the case goes"... man, they're just poor souls that have been duped so hard they don't have a clue what's going on. They're not so far gone yet. We just need to get them to actually listen, and if they're here on Kanzenshuu (a website dedicated to history, context, citations, accuracy, comprehensiveness...), we can still get through to them. They're not yet completely lost to the angry YouTube men trying to steal their money. They still have something resembling a sense of reality. "We should wait and see" is a perfectly reasonable opinion for them to have if they're still good people at heart and don't know that lol this shit's doooooooone man. They just need a little nudge back on track.

It's really interesting, too -- those few people that I've directly responded to and asked if they're actually reading the posts they're responding to... we haven't heard back from them yet. I wonder if they actually did read the words. 'Cuz if so, man, wow.

But ultimately we can't get through to everyone. There are some that are so far gone, they're not just playing for the other team, they're actually investors. Like they're literally offering up money to the con artists and the creepos. Those are the cases where we don't need to entertain their bullshit. Just ban and move on. The goal here isn't to ban, but it's certainly an effective tool, so we'll just use it when and if we need to.

[Aim]

But ultimately we can't get through to everyone. There are some that are so far gone, they're not just playing for the other team, they're actually investors. Like they're literally offering up money to the con artists and the creepos. Those are the cases where we don't need to entertain their bullshit. Just ban and move on. The goal here isn't to ban, but it's certainly an effective tool, so we'll just use it when and if we need to.

I actually had a bump in with a Vic supporter on a discord server, I challenged them and hit them confidently with the fact there’s no reason to lie about this stuff and that it’s been happening for decades which adds more validity to the accusations. I think they came around, but they did say “true”. What progressives need to start doing is going into apolitical spaces and spreading ideas there, just like the right does. There’s been talk about anti sjw culture coming back, and my first thought it why the fuck do we always let it return? Instead of getting worse at debate we must just get better and better and beat the right now like we have been doing for a while now. Same with white young men, we should get to them first before the right does, get them invested and understanding why things are so hard. It’s not because of the spooky hook-nosed man running the world, it’s not because of women, it’s literally because of the right, which has historically been a branch off the ruling class. Sounds LARPy but I’m not talking about revolution, just getting them to understand that things are shit not because of us but people like YellowFlash etc.

I genuinely don’t remember Nadolny’s name being dragged on either side.

The worst I remember is Chuck Huber starting the Casting Couch rumor and Mic Vignogna fans jumping to the conclusion that was why Vollmer and Nadolny weren’t brought back.

What’s the casting couch rumour, sounds like some gross porno thing

[PurestEvil]

There’s been talk about anti sjw culture coming back, and my first thought it why the fuck do we always let it return?

Pardon for going off topic, but perhaps it’s due to pushback against Biden and anti-lockdown sentiment? At least in the USA

[Aim]

There’s been talk about anti sjw culture coming back, and my first thought it why the fuck do we always let it return?

Pardon for going off topic, but perhaps it’s due to pushback against Biden and anti-lockdown sentiment? At least in the USA

Well, yeah, it’s a combination of things. First, we have an upcoming generation of new teens, specifically white males, who we need to get to ASAP.

It’s a rise of MRA’s, and anti trans sentiment. Right now the left is dealing with a whole plethora of problems, anti debate, anti this anti that, tankies, reactionary feminists, it’s a shit show