Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by ObnoxiousNamek » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:28 am

FPSSJ4_Goku wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:53 am
ObnoxiousNamek wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:43 am
FPSSJ4_Goku wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:33 am

You find that surprising? None of these guys ever gave a shit about wanting to improve Super. They're just trying to get that sweet sweet yen in their pockets, and Dragon Ball is just the thing they need to do it. Toei and Shueisha are in desperate need of new, younger people
Agreed but the silver lining in all this is that they can’t reuse an earth threat or a universe 6 threat anymore it would look redundant as hell that some random nobody on Earth or in space is the “strongest in the universe” after you’ve made two characters that already.
Well, they've gotta raise those stakes somehow, and Earth just isn't it. I still stand by my proposal of Dragon Ball Super: Coola (see page 132)
I agree although I’d love for it to be a full all out war with Cooler who unlike Frieza intensely almost like a saiyan and so does his army. him and Frieza team up for VS against the saiyans to bring the old grudge match full circle. Iron out the details,throw in the U6 Saiyans on sadala as backup army somehow instead of rehashing earths forces like in ResF and you got a movie.

I think going forward Super needs to have a rotating cast on the each Arcs. Let Goten, Trunks lead one then one with Uub,Pan, Bra (w/ the Capsule Corp Ironman/Saiyan hybrid armor.) before you get back to Goku and Vegeta.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:45 am

Super Saiyan Swagger wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:34 am The promotion for this movie does kinda suck. I don't want them to go overboard like they did with Broly and pretty much reveal everything in the trailers and TV spots, but this movie is 2 months away and we've been shown the same scenes since NY Comic Con back in October. I was really hoping for some kind of story trailer that gave us an idea of the "slice of life" stuff that they've been talking about, what exactly the RR Army are planning and show Gohan being the main character.

I really want to get excited for this movie but they're making it difficult with the lacklustre promotion. How many times do I have to see Piccolo quickly turn his head followed by an explosion? I was so convinced that they were going to finally stop drip feeding us info and actually start showing off new footage during this event.

Either they're intentionally keeping everything else a secret so we can all be surprised when we watch the film OR (and I really hope this isn't true) they can't show anything else because the footage straight up isn't even close to being finished yet.
The adverting for this film has been absolute dogshit. The fact we've only gotten not more than three minutes worth of footage from the film bring out all the red flags to me that when this film enter more visually demanding aspects (i.e. hand-to-hand combat, character acting) the film does not look good.

And the fact the film still hasn't provided any kind of further teasing of its narrative beyond "The Red Ribbon Army are back" is all the more alarming for me. Even for what appears to be a low stake, slice of life-ish tone for the movie, there's no unique or interesting hook that makes the story stand out as something that doesn't come across as banal and skippable.

I want to be interested in the film but man they have done a TERRIBLE job in selling the movie, at least in my eyes.

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by LightBing » Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:48 am

ObnoxiousNamek wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:05 am That is worrying and one of the reasons why Iyoku should be replaced he’s not serious about trying to improve Super. but isn’t Iyoku contradicting himself? In earlier interviews the he said that Toriyama already began writing this story like right after the release of Broly in theaters. Unless he influenced it mid writing it seems weird for him to mention it in such a way.
Perhaps? Maybe they suggested this to Toriyama way back then?
FPSSJ4_Goku wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:33 am You find that surprising? None of these guys ever gave a shit about wanting to improve Super. They're just trying to get that sweet sweet yen in their pockets, and Dragon Ball is just the thing they need to do it. Toei and Shueisha are in desperate need of new, younger people
Not really surprising.
With stuff like Broly I can see the logic, popular character that can bring big bucks.
Have the movie on Earth? What's the reason? There's probably one but by the train of thought from Iyoku makes it seem like a whim, since they had then to justify a reason to be on Earth which was Red Ribbon Army.

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Post by Jiren The Alpha » Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:13 am

Goten and Trunks have finally grown up, but what characters are people gonna complain about next? this feels like the end of an era :cry:

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Post by The Monkey King » Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:30 am

I swear they're not even TRYING to get people excited about this film.

They've basically shown off the same trailer three times now! Is production really going that badly that they have nothing else even remotely impressive to show?

"Oh wow, Goten and Trunks look older now it's a miracle!! Praise Toriyama!"

Fans have been given sooooo little that they have to whip themselves up into a frenzy over a change which should have happened years ago, when DBS was originally airing, it's honestly kinda sad at this point.

I managed to find a few extra scenes on YouTube and the CGI animation goes from looking alright, to awkward and stiff, I'm not impressed and I'm not going to pay for the privilege of watching Dragon Ball take a step back in terms of visuals.

I know some people called me dramatic when I said this earlier in the thread but if this marketing team don't turn things around and if more bad word of mouth spreads about this film's CG animation I can see this film bombing so hard the Super era of Dragon Ball ends this year (the increasing apathy towards the DBS manga also compounds this, with some even calling it the worst arc in Dragon Ball history).
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Post by KentMan » Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:57 am

I tell ya they wasted their time showing up when all they could have done was post the picture. Instead they're all fawning over an Umbrella and some other non important stuff. And blabbering about the animation looking good for a film creases nonsense for Gamma 2 uniform. Gohan and Piccolo for whatever reason are the focus even though the RRA has a hate for Goku not anyone else. Except maybe 18 and 17 probably.

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Post by Xeogran » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:02 am

Gamma 2's facial expression and posture feels like he's staring at a "hot chick", so to speak.
Could this be in fact the #21 confirmation? :lol:

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Post by TheMajinRedComet » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:05 am

One perk of the weird marketing is that we aren't getting spoiled. Sometimes by the time they are done advertising a movie you have seen the whole movie.
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Post by mute_proxy » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:09 am

So many people excited over the movie after yesterday's event, accepting and praising the new animation style even. And then there's this forum :yawn:

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Post by PurestEvil » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:20 am

mute_proxy wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:09 am So many people excited over the movie after yesterday's event, accepting and praising the new animation style even. And then there's this forum :yawn:
People are allowed to talk about problems with TOEI, y'know. Besides, most people here are older and more jaded than the average YT/Twitter DB fan.
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:24 am

mute_proxy wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:09 am So many people excited over the movie after yesterday's event, accepting and praising the new animation style even. And then there's this forum :yawn:
I'll be excited to be in a theatre with fellow Dragon Ball fans again seeing a new movie for the first time, and for adding Super Hero to my collection when the Blu-Ray is out (though hopefully no green tint this time).

The animation I'm still concerned about since the characters appear to be CG with 2D backgrounds, I'd rather see a Big Fish & Begonia approach where its the reverse to the extent of the CG being sporadic (which in the 2D/CG hybrids I've seen can make the CG flow seemlessly with the 2D).

I'm also looking forward to Goten and Trunks aged up, gives me hope that we will soon be moving into EoZ territory and beyond (which I was doubtful about). I agree with those who have said more story info would be nice.

I'm hoping the secret regarding the third act is not Cell returning, as giving him that little screentime could potentially leave too little time for this plot point to breath, making it feel like nothing more than hollow fanservice, unless TOEI plans for this movie to be a 2-parter, which I highly doubt.
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Post by sangofe » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:33 am

PurestEvil wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:20 am
mute_proxy wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:09 am So many people excited over the movie after yesterday's event, accepting and praising the new animation style even. And then there's this forum :yawn:
People are allowed to talk about problems with TOEI, y'know. Besides, most people here are older and more jaded than the average YT/Twitter DB fan.
How can anyone praise the animation? The 3D is the reason I won't spend a dime on this movie. It'll be the first Dragon Ball movie I won't buy.

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Post by FPSSJ4_Goku » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:43 am

sangofe wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:33 am
PurestEvil wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:20 am
mute_proxy wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:09 am So many people excited over the movie after yesterday's event, accepting and praising the new animation style even. And then there's this forum :yawn:
People are allowed to talk about problems with TOEI, y'know. Besides, most people here are older and more jaded than the average YT/Twitter DB fan.
How can anyone praise the animation? The 3D is the reason I won't spend a dime on this movie. It'll be the first Dragon Ball movie I won't buy.
I assume you'll watch it online, then? That's what I do
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Post by PurestEvil » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:48 am

sangofe wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:33 am
PurestEvil wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:20 am
mute_proxy wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:09 am So many people excited over the movie after yesterday's event, accepting and praising the new animation style even. And then there's this forum :yawn:
People are allowed to talk about problems with TOEI, y'know. Besides, most people here are older and more jaded than the average YT/Twitter DB fan.
How can anyone praise the animation? The 3D is the reason I won't spend a dime on this movie. It'll be the first Dragon Ball movie I won't buy.
I believe we already had a conversation about the animation and came to the conclusion that it was a matter of taste...
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Post by Mr_CINDER » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:53 am

Lord Beerus wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:45 am The adverting for this film has been absolute dogshit. The fact we've only gotten not more than three minutes worth of footage from the film bring out all the red flags to me that when this film enter more visually demanding aspects (i.e. hand-to-hand combat, character acting) the film does not look good.

And the fact the film still hasn't provided any kind of further teasing of its narrative beyond "The Red Ribbon Army are back" is all the more alarming for me. Even for what appears to be a low stake, slice of life-ish tone for the movie, there's no unique or interesting hook that makes the story stand out as something that doesn't come across as banal and skippable.

I want to be interested in the film but man they have done a TERRIBLE job in selling the movie, at least in my eyes.
The marketing for this movie is terrible, their main focus is video games and this movie seems secondary.Acording to Kodama(director) and it seems Toei's mission is to break new grounds and cultivate new fans by going with CGI, but ultimately he is pushing the merch's and the new RR umbrella.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:58 am

YES!!! GOTEN AND TRUNKS FINALLY GREW UP!!! OH I'M SO HAPPY!!! Let it be known that this should have been done back in 2016, oh I have been waiting a looong time for this.

(You guys know these two will remain tertiary fodder who have no relevant role in the story right? Literally just slice of life/comic relief characters, why does it matter if they grow up...)
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Post by Grimlock » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:28 pm

Jiren The Alpha wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:13 amGoten and Trunks have finally grown up, but what characters are people gonna complain about next?
If Marron and Bra don't age up, them.

If/after everyone is aged up, then the lack of Uub is the next complaint. It's way high time he appeared and took center stage.
SupremeKai25 wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:58 am Let it be known that this should have been done back in 2016, oh I have been waiting a looong time for this.
The Monkey King wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 9:30 amFans have been given sooooo little that they have to whip themselves up into a frenzy over a change which should have happened years ago, when DBS was originally airing, it's honestly kinda sad at this point.
Not gonna lie, this is exactly what I thought to myself after the hype passed for me. I literally screamed (and you all saw it right here!) over a simple design change that, indeed, should have happened years ago (both in and out-universe). We waited seven years in real time for this to happen (eight years in fiction). Nearly a decade in both occasions, when we could have been graced seeing these characters changes for a longer time if only the people in charge knew what they were doing.

The feeling of sadness is also accurate, I felt it too. Guess it's "better late than never", though I don't subscribe to that notion in this case...

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Post by DestructoDisc » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:44 pm

Xeogran wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:02 am
Gamma 2's facial expression and posture feels like he's staring at a "hot chick", so to speak.
Could this be in fact the #21 confirmation? :lol:
It's Cell. He's also super hot so there's no way you can blame Ganma 2 for looking at him like that

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Post by Tai Lung » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:46 pm

I will never understand why they cared that they got and trunks grew to the point of fucking with it all the time :roll:
They are boring characters and they don't really matter... I doubt very much that they are relevant in this movie... :think:

which apparently will be piccolo and gohan + goku and vegeta + maybe pan

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Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:39 pm

The marketing surely is bad. It's like they are trying to show as little as possible and I don't know if it's because they are behind the schedule or not.

At least if the movie is average, not hyping it up like it's the best thing ever is a good way to manage people's expectations. Especially after the critically acclaimed 2D DBS Broly...
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