Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[KentMan]

This is ridiculous they should never have shown up at battle hour.

[cEgocentrico]

I feel like the fanbase just gets more picky and grumpy over the years. If new content isn't exclusively rehashing 30-year-old plotlines (if I see Coola brought up one more damn time... yeah, forget new original plots, let's just check boxes on rehashing non-canon plots into canon) and 99% mindless Broly-style action, or otherwise oddly specific demands about the direction the series ought to go in, so many people just get upset over the most minute details.

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

RRA connects with the past but only maintains the logo. It opens up a range of possibilities much less limiting than using specific previous characters.

[capsulecorp]

I feel like the fanbase just gets more picky and grumpy over the years. If new content isn't exclusively rehashing 30-year-old plotlines (if I see Coola brought up one more damn time... yeah, forget new original plots, let's just check boxes on rehashing non-canon plots into canon) and 99% mindless Broly-style action, or otherwise oddly specific demands about the direction the series ought to go in, so many people just get upset over the most minute details.

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

RRA connects with the past but only maintains the logo. It opens up a range of possibilities much less limiting than using specific previous characters.

Yup, to me RRA is much more interesting than Cooler because it's not simply re-introducing an old character, its a familiar context in which we can meet new characters.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

Saying that the Cell arc features the RRA is very disingenuous when the only thing RRA featured is their logo.

[Jiren The Alpha]

Cooler is a character that is only relevant because of his design in his 5th form and because he is Frieza's big brother. They is nothing interesting about him.

[capsulecorp]

Cooler is a character that is only relevant because of his design in his 5th form and because he is Frieza's big brother. They is nothing interesting about him.

His 5th form is so ugly though, he kinda just looks like mutant Shredder.

[SupremeKai25]

I feel like the fanbase just gets more picky and grumpy over the years. If new content isn't exclusively rehashing 30-year-old plotlines (if I see Coola brought up one more damn time... yeah, forget new original plots, let's just check boxes on rehashing non-canon plots into canon) and 99% mindless Broly-style action, or otherwise oddly specific demands about the direction the series ought to go in, so many people just get upset over the most minute details.

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

RRA connects with the past but only maintains the logo. It opens up a range of possibilities much less limiting than using specific previous characters.

This argument is flawed, you are ignoring how different Canon Broly is from Old Broly, it's a completely different character.

The two versions are completely different down to the basis, I.e. Their role in the story. Old Broly is an irredeemable pure evil villain while New Broly is not even a villain at all. Old Broly is introduced as a monster who destroyed entire galaxies while New Broly is introduced as someone who wants some friends.

The same could have been done with Cooler.

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

Saying that the Cell arc features the RRA is very disingenuous when the only thing RRA featured is their logo.

It's not disingenuous at all, the entire arc happens because Dr. Gero wanted revenge for the defeat of RRA, Cell remains loyal to that directive, the same can be said for the Future Androids btw. The entire arc is literally a revenge plot created by RRA's leading scientist Dr. Gero.

I forgot to mention that GT arc with 17 as well.

[PurestEvil]

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

RRA connects with the past but only maintains the logo. It opens up a range of possibilities much less limiting than using specific previous characters.

This argument is flawed, you are ignoring how different Canon Broly is from Old Broly, it's a completely different character.

The two versions are completely different down to the basis, I.e. Their role in the story. Old Broly is an irredeemable pure evil villain while New Broly is not even a villain at all. Old Broly is introduced as a monster who destroyed entire galaxies while New Broly is introduced as someone who wants some friends.

The same could have been done with Cooler.

I mean, to be fair, in this new movie, the RRA seems to have forgone its militaristic operations and have instead focuses on scientific research more than anything. It's safe to say that this "RRA" is a "new" RRA.

[SupremeKai25]

RRA connects with the past but only maintains the logo. It opens up a range of possibilities much less limiting than using specific previous characters.

This argument is flawed, you are ignoring how different Canon Broly is from Old Broly, it's a completely different character.

The two versions are completely different down to the basis, I.e. Their role in the story. Old Broly is an irredeemable pure evil villain while New Broly is not even a villain at all. Old Broly is introduced as a monster who destroyed entire galaxies while New Broly is introduced as someone who wants some friends.

The same could have been done with Cooler.

I mean, to be fair, in this new movie, the RRA seems to have forgone its militaristic operations and have instead focuses on scientific research more than anything. It's safe to say that this "RRA" is a "new" RRA.

Which in itself is something original, I guess.

But I think that an introduction of Cooler (Toriyama's version of Cooler) would have fit perfectly with Frieza being resurrected, wouldn't you agree? It makes sense that he would resurface after hearing that his brother was resurrected again and got back in power

[sangofe]

I find it dumb that people don't want to watch the movie for having a different animation art style. It's never good to judge a book by its cover.

The condition for replying to this is that you are not starving.
Imagine a dish that looks really unappealing. Right before, you had the most amazing dish. It had beautiful colors and composition. But the dish you're being served now has no colors and the ingredients look over cooked. It also smells bad. Do you want to have more of the previous dish to eat, or will you taste the new one?

[Extreme_kai]

Cooler is a character that is only relevant because of his design in his 5th form and because he is Frieza's big brother. They is nothing interesting about him.

His 5th form is so ugly though, he kinda just looks like mutant Shredder.

Speak for yourself, I and many other people think that design looks badass. Honestly, I've never heard anyone say it was"ugly" but you. Also, I still don't know why people keep bringing up Cooler, since it's obvious he's not going to be the villain brought back at this point in time. (At least for this movie). All leads point to Cell and quite honestly he'd be the saving grace of this movie, especially if he survives to the end. I can give af about the RRA rep in this movie. Rolypoly Kim Jong-un boy, red suit pompadour guy, and thing1 and thing2 look pretty wack. Even if you don't like the old movie villains, any of them would bring more hype than we're getting. Sorry, but this isn't the "new" content to get people hyped. People were hyped when they thought Broly was Yamoshi, a newish lore character, not some low-level RRA goons.

[Extreme_kai]

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

RRA connects with the past but only maintains the logo. It opens up a range of possibilities much less limiting than using specific previous characters.

This argument is flawed, you are ignoring how different Canon Broly is from Old Broly, it's a completely different character.

The two versions are completely different down to the basis, I.e. Their role in the story. Old Broly is an irredeemable pure evil villain while New Broly is not even a villain at all. Old Broly is introduced as a monster who destroyed entire galaxies while New Broly is introduced as someone who wants some friends.

The same could have been done with Cooler.

But... this movie is not original following this logic?

We've already had 2 arcs and 1 movie about the Red Ribbon Army, RRA is as original as Cooler. Maybe even less, since Cooler had less overall screentime than the RRA (he only had 2 movies).

Saying that the Cell arc features the RRA is very disingenuous when the only thing RRA featured is their logo.

It's not disingenuous at all, the entire arc happens because Dr. Gero wanted revenge for the defeat of RRA, Cell remains loyal to that directive, the same can be said for the Future Androids btw. The entire arc is literally a revenge plot created by RRA's leading scientist Dr. Gero.

I forgot to mention that GT arc with 17 as well.

OMG Same! I don't know why people keep making that argument. Cooler could be retooled into something more interesting. Hell, him just being Freeza's brother and the implications of that make him far more interesting than what we are getting. People saying "Cooler is boring" are ignoring the fact that you don't really get to see a character personally fully just through fighting in a movie. Cooler wanted "revenge" that's it. It reminded me how people reacted to Freeza getting more fleshed out due to screen time. Some like it, some don't because he's not "intimidating anymore" It's like, well duh! He actually gets to show off the type of person he is outside of combat, mystery, and pretense. If you're around someone long enough you get to see them fall on their face sometimes, crack jokes and act silly. I should take my advice and stop arguing Cooler's case since it's obviously not going to be him, but it's like c'mon people!

[The Monkey King]

"Pfft! rehashing Cooler would be so unoriginal! I'm glad Toriyama is doing something DIFFERENT with Dragon Ball!"

"*GASP* The Red Ribbon Army reappearing out of nowhere and creating twin androids to kill the Z-Fighters that ends in a confrontation with Gohan taking centre stage!! NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE BRAVO TORIYAMA!!"

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

I feel like the fanbase just gets more picky and grumpy over the years. If new content isn't exclusively rehashing 30-year-old plotlines (if I see Coola brought up one more damn time... yeah, forget new original plots, let's just check boxes on rehashing non-canon plots into canon) and 99% mindless Broly-style action, or otherwise oddly specific demands about the direction the series ought to go in, so many people just get upset over the most minute details.

To be fair, it's kind of hard to come up with new and original stories. But I propose a solution. Rather than rehashing old storylines, why not let artificial intelligence generate a Dragon Ball story for us?

I propose that from now on, we use AI Dungeon to generate Dragon Ball stories for us! (please note that it can be random at times, and it learns as you use it)

[Grimlock]

I think the interactions between Freeza and Cooler we see in games are pretty spot-on. Not caring for each other, to the point of one being able to betray/kill one another at any point. That's exactly how I see Toriyama handling them. There's nothing interesting in that.

That is why someone like Kuriza would be far more interesting. We don't know if Freeza would love or at least care for his son. There's some genuinely interesting antics you can do with that sort of dynamic. Or you can get rid of Freeza entirely and let Kuriza take all the spotlight, his personality alone would guarantee something that feels fresh (especially if they let him be a bit of a gag character).

[Extreme_kai]

I think the interactions between Freeza and Cooler we see in games are pretty spot-on. Not caring for each other, to the point of one being able to betray/kill one another at any point. That's exactly how I see Toriyama handling them. There's nothing interesting in that.

That is why someone like Kuriza would be far more interesting. We don't know if Freeza would love or at least care for his son. There's some genuinely interesting antics you can do with that sort of dynamic. Or you can get rid of Freeza entirely and let Kuriza take all the spotlight, his personality alone would guarantee something that feels fresh (especially if they let him be a bit of a gag character).

Their interactions together are fun and interesting to me and many fans. I write fanfics(I know cringe) of them and their interactions together and it's so entertaining to me. Kuriza would be fun too, why not have both? My thing is Cooler being there would open up more about Freeza's past history, and his species in general. It would also potentially give him someone to work with. Personally, I'd love to see him team up with Cooler or Cell, hell, both would be a big win-win for me. Everything I just wrote just made me sad about the potential of what we could have got in a movie and what we are actually getting lol.

[SupremeKai25]

RRA connects with the past but only maintains the logo. It opens up a range of possibilities much less limiting than using specific previous characters.

This argument is flawed, you are ignoring how different Canon Broly is from Old Broly, it's a completely different character.

The two versions are completely different down to the basis, I.e. Their role in the story. Old Broly is an irredeemable pure evil villain while New Broly is not even a villain at all. Old Broly is introduced as a monster who destroyed entire galaxies while New Broly is introduced as someone who wants some friends.

The same could have been done with Cooler.

Saying that the Cell arc features the RRA is very disingenuous when the only thing RRA featured is their logo.

It's not disingenuous at all, the entire arc happens because Dr. Gero wanted revenge for the defeat of RRA, Cell remains loyal to that directive, the same can be said for the Future Androids btw. The entire arc is literally a revenge plot created by RRA's leading scientist Dr. Gero.

I forgot to mention that GT arc with 17 as well.

OMG Same! I don't know why people keep making that argument. Cooler could be retooled into something more interesting. Hell, him just being Freeza's brother and the implications of that make him far more interesting than what we are getting. People saying "Cooler is boring" are ignoring the fact that you don't really get to see a character personally fully just through fighting in a movie. Cooler wanted "revenge" that's it. It reminded me how people reacted to Freeza getting more fleshed out due to screen time. Some like it, some don't because he's not "intimidating anymore" It's like, well duh! He actually gets to show off the type of person he is outside of combat, mystery, and pretense. If you're around someone long enough you get to see them fall on their face sometimes, crack jokes and act silly. I should take my advice and stop arguing Cooler's case since it's obviously not going to be him, but it's like c'mon people!

Frankly I'm neutral on both.

However I like Evil vs. Evil kind of storylines, where both parties are just villains trying to mess with one another, so I think that there was an interesting story to be told with Cooler and Frieza, as we said some pages ago. I also liked the Frieza vs. Frost rivalry in the ToP btw; and, now that I think about, I remember that a lot of people were hyped about the potential interactions between Frieza and Frost, back when the ToP was airing.

Cooler always felt more "mature", more patient, more cautious, and less "emotional/childish" than Frieza to me, so I would have liked to see Toriyama's take on Cooler after many years and see Cooler and Frieza interact for the first time.

[WittyUsername]

The more I think about it, I really hope this movie doesn’t have Cell in it. Thankfully, the fact that there’s been no real hint of him in the marketing so far makes me hopeful that he won’t be in the movie, since Toei doesn’t seem particularly concerned about spoiling their movies.

[Alruneia]

To be fair, it's kind of hard to come up with new and original stories. But I propose a solution. Rather than rehashing old storylines, why not let artificial intelligence generate a Dragon Ball story for us?

I propose that from now on, we use AI Dungeon to generate Dragon Ball stories for us! (please note that it can be random at times, and it learns as you use it)

Oh, I've tried that once. The AI ended up writing that something knocked the moon out of orbit so that it was about to hit Earth, but it got silly and loopy after that. I do genuinely believe that heavily AI-assisted stories/manga/anime are going to become a big thing in the decently-close future, but it's probably gotta evolve a bit further than this first.

Also:

Merch leaked and

Spoiler:

Fat Gotenks is the one in the movie.

I guess I was premature lol.

Does anyone know anything about this? I see something that suggests it in the Weekly Dragon Ball News segment, but is there more to it than that?

[mute_proxy]

Does anyone know anything about this? I see something that suggests it in the Weekly Dragon Ball News segment, but is there more to it than that?

It's this pic of Super Hero merch:

Spoiler: