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Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
No, thanks. Though, for sure, I would agree that Dragon Ball doesn't need to have flashback as often and as many as Naruto does, as it stands, Dragon Ball does need to use more flashbacks.Tai Lung wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:58 pm-we have flashback after flashback of the main character's father as an eternal fanservice....
That brought back the cringe I had when I first saw that, to be fair Granolah is nothing like Obito.SupremeKai25 wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:43 am So does this mean that Granolah will sacrifice himself to save Goku and Goku will say that he was the coolest guy?
I was one of the unknown many that despised the flashbacks in One Piece and NarutoGrimlock wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:53 amNo, thanks. Though, for sure, I would agree that Dragon Ball doesn't need to have flashback as often and as many as Naruto does, as it stands, Dragon Ball does need to use more flashbacks.Tai Lung wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:58 pm-we have flashback after flashback of the main character's father as an eternal fanservice....
I never saw anyone complaining about flashbacks in One Piece, so maybe the amount of it in there might be the perfect balance (not too much, but not too little. As all things should be). If Dragon Ball can reach that balance, all will be well.
Hopefully the usage of flashback as we are seeing in Granola saga becomes a bit more frequent from now on. Some of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z sagas, as well as Baby saga could have really used it too.
OH NOOOO, yeah, I also really dislike the abuse of flashbacks in many manga and was really disappointed to see it in the Broly movie and the Granola manga. It's a real pacing killer and, honestly, the fact that Dragon Ball doesn't spend so much time explaining and justifying its character's history and actions is part of what makes it so fun to read.KentMan wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 5:42 amI was one of the unknown many that despised the flashbacks in One Piece and NarutoGrimlock wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:53 amNo, thanks. Though, for sure, I would agree that Dragon Ball doesn't need to have flashback as often and as many as Naruto does, as it stands, Dragon Ball does need to use more flashbacks.Tai Lung wrote: Sun Feb 20, 2022 8:58 pm-we have flashback after flashback of the main character's father as an eternal fanservice....
I never saw anyone complaining about flashbacks in One Piece, so maybe the amount of it in there might be the perfect balance (not too much, but not too little. As all things should be). If Dragon Ball can reach that balance, all will be well.
Hopefully the usage of flashback as we are seeing in Granola saga becomes a bit more frequent from now on. Some of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z sagas, as well as Baby saga could have really used it too.
Read Hunter x Hunter.
it has more resemblance to sasuke especially in how granolah was manipulated
It's also one of the factors why the characters and their motives are generally so shallow and underdeveloped.capsulecorp wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:27 pmthe fact that Dragon Ball doesn't spend so much time explaining and justifying its character's history and actions is part of what makes it so fun to read.
Yes and no. On the one hand, its true that DB is more of a plot-oriented story than a character-driven story. But on the other hand, there is some subtlety to the characters that a lot of people don't seem to appreciate. I certainly wouldn't call most of the cast "underdeveloped".Grimlock wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:22 pmIt's also one of the factors why the characters and their motives are generally so shallow and underdeveloped.capsulecorp wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 12:27 pmthe fact that Dragon Ball doesn't spend so much time explaining and justifying its character's history and actions is part of what makes it so fun to read.
Well I’m not complaining the TOP manga version was fine as it is. The Moro and Granolah arc is something else though.Tai Lung wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:27 pm Toriyama showed a flashback of at most 3 panels which was often enough...
with toyotaro going to extremes you have toppo explaining jiren's past in a giant speech bubble and now he spends an entire chapter on bardock FB ...
.What are you talking about? Jiren and Broly are above Beerus well actually I don’t know about Broly though. Than you have Whis and his dad. But that being said shinobi or the things they do aren’t invented by Kishimoto. Anyone who knows Japanese history and culture would know.Skar wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 8:51 pm I'm not sure if these were necessarily inspired by Kishimoto but I think DBS took some inspiration from modern shonen like for some of the antagonists. Also the concept of Beerus and Whis being masters introduced early on and the main character working the whole series to surpass. I've only seen that in modern anime since new masters in the original were usually surpassed within the same saga. I don't mind since DB was inspired by several stories that came before it so why not some that came after
Ah yes, I forgot Granolah was Goku's best friend. I had completely forgotten all the time Granolah and Goku spent together prior to this arc. I also forgot how Granolah was betrayed by his brother, Flakes, who helped kill all the Cerealians.Tai Lung wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:10 pmit has more resemblance to sasuke especially in how granolah was manipulated
it was manipulated to go against the protagonist and good characters...basically like sasuke against naruto or itachiDragon Wukong wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:46 pmAh yes, I forgot Granolah was Goku's best friend. I had completely forgotten all the time Granolah and Goku spent together prior to this arc. I also forgot how Granolah was betrayed by his brother, Flakes, who helped kill all the Cerealians.Tai Lung wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:10 pmit has more resemblance to sasuke especially in how granolah was manipulated
The red eye that can see well isn't particularly unique (because it's in a lot of stuff), but equating him to Sasuke just because he went through a genocide is pushing it. They're much more different than similar. And whereas Sasuke's whole character arc is one of descension until the very end, Granolah's is very much the opposite.
Yeah but as I said earlier Kishimoto did not invent those. They had clones before in the original dragon ball. They did have ninja attacks I found anyone remember ninja Murasaki. And even before that it’s part of Japan’s history with real shinobi and Samurai.Tai Lung wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:27 pmit was manipulated to go against the protagonist and good characters...basically like sasuke against naruto or itachiDragon Wukong wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 10:46 pmAh yes, I forgot Granolah was Goku's best friend. I had completely forgotten all the time Granolah and Goku spent together prior to this arc. I also forgot how Granolah was betrayed by his brother, Flakes, who helped kill all the Cerealians.Tai Lung wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:10 pm
it has more resemblance to sasuke especially in how granolah was manipulated
The red eye that can see well isn't particularly unique (because it's in a lot of stuff), but equating him to Sasuke just because he went through a genocide is pushing it. They're much more different than similar. And whereas Sasuke's whole character arc is one of descension until the very end, Granolah's is very much the opposite.
a but if apart from red eyes, you add shadow clones, ninja attacks and FB use that occupy entire chapters ... you literally can't deny it
