Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Thani]

It's really just thanks to Ultra Instinct that he's not getting murked by Gas. Vegeta is still perfectly competitive.

[Goku9001]

Goku's lack of experience using Ultra Instinct was touched up on during his battle with Granola and was the sole reason why he ended up losing. It makes me wonder if the explanation that will be given later is that Goku was sharpening his moves and accuracy while using Ultra Instinct which is the reason why he's suddenly holding his own against Current Gas. After all, this is a recurring theme in this arc in which both Granola and Gas compensate for their lack of battle experience by sharpening their skills.

[KentMan]

Goku's lack of experience using Ultra Instinct was touched up on during his battle with Granola and was the sole reason why he ended up losing. It makes me wonder if the explanation that will be given later is that Goku was sharpening his moves and accuracy while using Ultra Instinct which is the reason why he's suddenly holding his own against Current Gas. After all, this is a recurring theme in this arc in which both Granola and Gas compensate for their lack of battle experience by sharpening their skills.

He didn’t know Granolah abilities well so of course Granolah would get the drop on him. With Vegeta he saw everything so he was prepared nothing to do with power difference. It’s just what you don’t know can hurt. But despite that he like Goku still lost except Goku was taken out because of his guard again. It’s hinting that he is stronger than Vegeta considering how well he was doing against Granolah and now Gas.

[Goku9001]

He didn’t know Granolah abilities well so of course Granolah would get the drop on him. With Vegeta he saw everything so he was prepared nothing to do with power difference. It’s just what you don’t know can hurt. But despite that he like Goku still lost except Goku was taken out because of his guard again. It’s hinting that he is stronger than Vegeta considering how well he was doing against Granolah and now Gas.

It's blatantly stated by Goku that he didn't train enough using Ultra Instinct hence why Granola was able to strike SSJB Goku's vitals. Granola then defeats MUI Goku as his accuracy with UI had decreased. Goku's lack of experience or lack of accuracy using Ultra Instinct was the primary reason why Goku lost. Even when Goku understood Granola's technique, he couldn't prevent Granola from honing in on his vitals. Goku confirms that he has to shift his body in response to Granola's attack meaning that he acknowledges that Granola could still target his vitals. Improving upon UI as was the case with MUI Goku is enough to prevent him from targeting Goku's vitals.

I'm not even drawing a comparison here. I'm just saying that he could be performing so well because he's obtaining the battle experience he needed to improve upon Ultra Instinct, as did Granola and Gas with the abilities and power they obtained from being the strongest.

[KentMan]

It's blatantly stated by Goku that he didn't train enough using Ultra Instinct hence why Granola was able to strike SSJB Goku's vitals. Granola then defeats MUI Goku as his accuracy with UI had decreased. Goku's lack of experience or lack of accuracy using Ultra Instinct was the primary reason why Goku lost. Even when Goku understood Granola's technique, he couldn't prevent Granola from honing in on his vitals. Goku confirms that he has to shift his body in response to Granola's attack meaning that he acknowledges that Granola could still target his vitals. Improving upon UI as was the case with MUI Goku is enough to prevent him from targeting Goku's vitals.

I'm not even drawing a comparison here. I'm just saying that he could be performing so well because he's obtaining the battle experience he needed to improve upon Ultra Instinct, as did Granola and Gas with the abilities and power they obtained from being the strongest.

Except Granolah didn’t hit his vitals anymore in their 2nd fight. The fact that he had to wait until the silver haired forms accuracy drops. Indicates that Goku would have still been problematic. And he wasn’t about to tangle with that just yet. I know what you mean btw about him performing better but this has more to do with knowing Granolah abilities and getting a read on it. As Goku says himself.

When I first got here I questioned whether Goku using UI in base with accuracy of the silver haired form. Would make his silver hair form much more powerful than it is. Like Whis tells him in chapter 71

[ZombieVito]

Any predictions on how powerful Ultimate Piccolo will be?

I'm thinking he will be on par with Ultimate Gohan.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Any predictions on how powerful Ultimate Piccolo will be?

I'm thinking he will be on par with Ultimate Gohan.

That's a safe bet. 2 Gammas to take on, 2 Ultimates to take match them. Have Piccolo and Gohan be equal in equivalent forms, base and Ultimate. Simple, fits with the recent trend of equalizing similarly strong characters.

[KentMan]

Any predictions on how powerful Ultimate Piccolo will be?

I'm thinking he will be on par with Ultimate Gohan.

That's a safe bet. 2 Gammas to take on, 2 Ultimates to take match them. Have Piccolo and Gohan be equal in equivalent forms, base and Ultimate. Simple, fits with the recent trend of equalizing similarly strong characters.

Characters are never really equal with one another and besides we know nothing about Gamma 1 and 2.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Any predictions on how powerful Ultimate Piccolo will be?

I'm thinking he will be on par with Ultimate Gohan.

That's a safe bet. 2 Gammas to take on, 2 Ultimates to take match them. Have Piccolo and Gohan be equal in equivalent forms, base and Ultimate. Simple, fits with the recent trend of equalizing similarly strong characters.

Characters are never really equal with one another and besides we know nothing about Gamma 1 and 2.

It's just an inference based on recent trends I've observed. SSB, Golden Freeza, Toppo, Ikari Broly? All equivalent. There are a few other similar equivalences used in the later parts of DBS.

It's a very simple and intuitive scaling between characters that makes matters a lot easier to discuss and doesn't require huge amounts of major focus to figure out exact standings. Why get into the minutiae of how Goku or Freeza compare to each other when you can just have their equivalent forms relative to one another?

I also think this is something the writers themselves have adhered to, making simple equivalences between characters' equivalent forms.

[KentMan]

Umm guys this might upset a lot of Vegeta fans
https://mobile.twitter.com/DbsHype/stat ... 04/photo/1

[KentMan]

That's a safe bet. 2 Gammas to take on, 2 Ultimates to take match them. Have Piccolo and Gohan be equal in equivalent forms, base and Ultimate. Simple, fits with the recent trend of equalizing similarly strong characters.

Characters are never really equal with one another and besides we know nothing about Gamma 1 and 2.

It's just an inference based on recent trends I've observed. SSB, Golden Freeza, Toppo, Ikari Broly? All equivalent. There are a few other similar equivalences used in the later parts of DBS.

It's a very simple and intuitive scaling between characters that makes matters a lot easier to discuss and doesn't require huge amounts of major focus to figure out exact standings. Why get into the minutiae of how Goku or Freeza compare to each other when you can just have their equivalent forms relative to one another?

I also think this is something the writers themselves have adhered to, making simple equivalences between characters' equivalent forms.

I hope you’re not looking at chapter 82 spoiler image that might make it seem that Goku Blue is well you know compared to UE Vegeta.

[Issei189]

Umm guys this might upset a lot of Vegeta fans
https://mobile.twitter.com/DbsHype/stat ... 04/photo/1

Vegeta is my second favorite character after Gohan and i'm not sure how this is supposed to upset a lot of Vegeta fans since we already know how Goku is holding his own considering in the previous chapter Goku was using UI in his SSB and also instant transmission to survive against Gas. In the previous chapter, Goku was also shown blocking Gas's hits. Goku is using his experience and skills to make up for the lack of power. Even in this scene, When Goku blocked Gas's hit. You can see a large briuse on Goku's arm.

[KentMan]

Umm guys this might upset a lot of Vegeta fans
https://mobile.twitter.com/DbsHype/stat ... 04/photo/1

Vegeta is my second favorite character after Gohan and i'm not sure how this is supposed to upset a lot of Vegeta fans since we already know how Goku is holding his own considering in the previous chapter Goku was using UI in his SSB and also instant transmission to survive against Gas. In the previous chapter, Goku was also shown blocking Gas's hits. Goku is using his experience and skills to make up for the lack of power. Even in this scene, When Goku blocked Gas's hit. You can see a large briuse on Goku's arm.

I’m talking about the ones that are now on other sites getting angry and are hoping Vegeta does something. Pretty certain not many have seen the preview yet.

Using UI and IT is a really good move on Gokus part but it might not be enough to beat Gas. Either Gas gasses out yes I know very terrible pun. Or Goku finishes the training and uses UI in base.

[Hugo Boss]

Vegeta is my second favorite character after Gohan and i'm not sure how this is supposed to upset a lot of Vegeta fans since we already know how Goku is holding his own considering in the previous chapter Goku was using UI in his SSB and also instant transmission to survive against Gas. In the previous chapter, Goku was also shown blocking Gas's hits. Goku is using his experience and skills to make up for the lack of power. Even in this scene, When Goku blocked Gas's hit. You can see a large briuse on Goku's arm.

I’m not seeing any Vegeta fans’ reaction either. Vegeta was the one who gave Goku energy to keep fighting in the first place and Goku is still not doing anything remarkable to warrant such comparison.

It's a very simple and intuitive scaling between characters that makes matters a lot easier to discuss and doesn't require huge amounts of major focus to figure out exact standings. Why get into the minutiae of how Goku or Freeza compare to each other when you can just have their equivalent forms relative to one another?

Exactly. It doesn’t take a lot to assume this is how most of the fights work, since it’s easier to write them like that than creating a convoluted scenario in which X is -2 atk stat weaker and +2 skill stat better than Y.

[KentMan]

Oh I get it you guys are talking about fan reactions of this site. That’s why you don’t know the reactions outside. Well this is a good time to speculate if Goku will get stronger or not.

[Hugo Boss]

Oh I get it you guys are talking about fan reactions of this site. That’s why you don’t know the reactions outside. Well this is a good time to speculate if Goku will get stronger or not.

According to the link you posted, there is nothing about Vegeta. I don’t see nothing on Reddit either. And that’s really just Goku getting bruised. It’s not revealing anything new yet.

[Issei189]

Oh I get it you guys are talking about fan reactions of this site. That’s why you don’t know the reactions outside. Well this is a good time to speculate if Goku will get stronger or not.

I'm also on DB twitter and As of right now i haven't seen any strength related reactions from this panel. For the most part i'm seeing people talking about Goku bleeding from Gas's kick and some complaining about this arc not ending already. I think we're gonna see those speculations until more pages are leaked

[Koitsukai]

I'm thinking Ultimate Piccolo will be a bit below Ultimate Gohan, in the same realm but a hair behind. If they do take the manga into account, they'll be stronger than Saganbo. If they follow the anime, probably mid to high-end ToP SSB. I'm more interested in how Piccolo will unlock his potential, though.

I also don't think Vegeta fans might be upset with a panel of Goku doing what he has been doing already, Goku is using SSB + UI and doing a much better job than before, he's climbing up the UI ladder with both hands.

My bet is he is climbing it like a boss, moving in such a way and receiving the minimal amount of damage possible(UI makes the body sturdier, that might explain how he is taking Gas' blows), in a fodder form that his performance is allowing him to tangle with guys much stronger, and when he'll activate the silver form, it'll be much stronger than when he fought Granola's clone.
Beatings taken and lack of energy, I guess, are the reasons why he can't yet go silver.

If vs Granola, SSB + UI = 10x boost, now he must be getting a bigger boost, I don't want to venture any numbers... but at least twice as before. His SSB+UI I feel is now stronger than what he be with Sign, or the boost he was getting from Sign in previous arcs, at least.
I guess this also applies to his lower forms, if base + UI was a bit below SS, now his base + UI could be relative to SS2, or at least above SS, but we'll see, I might be completely off the mark.

[ZombieVito]

I'm thinking Ultimate Piccolo will be a bit below Ultimate Gohan, in the same realm but a hair behind. If they do take the manga into account, they'll be stronger than Saganbo. If they follow the anime, probably mid to high-end ToP SSB. I'm more interested in how Piccolo will unlock his potential, though.

I also don't think Vegeta fans might be upset with a panel of Goku doing what he has been doing already, Goku is using SSB + UI and doing a much better job than before, he's climbing up the UI ladder with both hands.

My bet is he is climbing it like a boss, moving in such a way and receiving the minimal amount of damage possible(UI makes the body sturdier, that might explain how he is taking Gas' blows), in a fodder form that his performance is allowing him to tangle with guys much stronger, and when he'll activate the silver form, it'll be much stronger than when he fought Granola's clone.
Beatings taken and lack of energy, I guess, are the reasons why he can't yet go silver.

If vs Granola, SSB + UI = 10x boost, now he must be getting a bigger boost, I don't want to venture any numbers... but at least twice as before. His SSB+UI I feel is now stronger than what he be with Sign, or the boost he was getting from Sign in previous arcs, at least.
I guess this also applies to his lower forms, if base + UI was a bit below SS, now his base + UI could be relative to SS2, or at least above SS, but we'll see, I might be completely off the mark.

Gohan already rivaled Blue Goku in the ToP though. He should at least be equal to that Golu now in the movie.

I'm also very curious how Piccolo gets Ultimate. It will probably not be explained like Vegeta with SSG lol.

[Koitsukai]

I'm thinking Ultimate Piccolo will be a bit below Ultimate Gohan, in the same realm but a hair behind. If they do take the manga into account, they'll be stronger than Saganbo. If they follow the anime, probably mid to high-end ToP SSB. I'm more interested in how Piccolo will unlock his potential, though.

I also don't think Vegeta fans might be upset with a panel of Goku doing what he has been doing already, Goku is using SSB + UI and doing a much better job than before, he's climbing up the UI ladder with both hands.

My bet is he is climbing it like a boss, moving in such a way and receiving the minimal amount of damage possible(UI makes the body sturdier, that might explain how he is taking Gas' blows), in a fodder form that his performance is allowing him to tangle with guys much stronger, and when he'll activate the silver form, it'll be much stronger than when he fought Granola's clone.
Beatings taken and lack of energy, I guess, are the reasons why he can't yet go silver.

If vs Granola, SSB + UI = 10x boost, now he must be getting a bigger boost, I don't want to venture any numbers... but at least twice as before. His SSB+UI I feel is now stronger than what he be with Sign, or the boost he was getting from Sign in previous arcs, at least.
I guess this also applies to his lower forms, if base + UI was a bit below SS, now his base + UI could be relative to SS2, or at least above SS, but we'll see, I might be completely off the mark.

Gohan already rivaled Blue Goku in the ToP though. He should at least be equal to that Golu now in the movie.

I'm also very curious how Piccolo gets Ultimate. It will probably not be explained like Vegeta with SSG lol.

Gohan was outclassed by every big SSB fighter in the ToP. Golden Freeza and Toppo were way ahead of him. In any case, Goku was not that impressive in his blue form, if Gohan was at his level.
In the movie, Gohan should be a decent match for the likes of those iterations of Toppo and Freeza, if not stronger. That is if he also gets stronger, maybe only Pickle boy is getting a power boost, if the enemies aren't that strong.

This opens up a new type of discussion, though, about Piccolo. If Piccolo was as strong as Gohan in the Moro arc, with his new form, where would he be? it's soon to say, I know, we don't even know how much dormant power he has. Or could it be that Piccolo was not as strong as people thought, and now he is getting up there?