Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[The Monkey King]

Is there not an episode of Trunks both putting himself through image training and then getting trained by Vegeta before going back to confront Black the second time

"Vegeta's training" = he beat the shit out of Trunks one time

If that's training then Trunks was "training" with Goku Black all that time, where was his 1000 x power boost then?

only real time he does is when he saves Goku from an attack Black is about to deliver (which would be attributed to y’know, Black being focused on Goku)

He manages to knee Goku Black in the stomach and then kick him through a building.

An attack from SSJR Goku Black intended to harm SSJB Goku should've cut Trunks in half instantly, him intercepting it is bullshit.

[ZombieVito]

Are people still hang up on Trunks managing to land a few hits on Goku Black in episode 57?

[capsulecorp]

I will say, I'm impressed, that's one of the most trivial complaints I've heard about that story, which is FULL of things to complain about. Anyway, back to Super Hero. The new trailer looked cool.

[Koitsukai]

Do you guys think we'll get one last trailer before the premiere? maybe unveiling if it's Cell, 21, a Gamma fusion or somebody else?

Perhaps more about Broly and Beerus?

We don't even have a score yet, right?

[ZombieVito]

Do you guys think we'll get one last trailer before the premiere? maybe unveiling if it's Cell, 21, a Gamma fusion or somebody else?

Perhaps more about Broly and Beerus?

We don't even have a score yet, right?

Yes.

Gogeta was shown before the movie came out so this ultimate evil will be revealed before 22/04/22.

[SupremeKai25]

I called it btw, I knew that those two robots, as they currently are, were never meant to be the main threat. Their design is too lame and boring. They are just a stepping stone for the real final threat, which could potentially be a fused being of these two (although the fused being could end up looking very differently, like Android 13).

[Koitsukai]

I'd be oddly surprised if the Toei character they are bringing into the main continuity happens to be Android 13. Is he that popular?

I never liked him at all, in any form.

[SupremeKai25]

I'd be oddly surprised if the Toei character they are bringing into the main continuity happens to be Android 13. Is he that popular?

I never liked him at all, in any form.

No what I meant is that Android 13 in his normal form looks very different than in his fused form (fused with remains of the other androids).

So even though the Gamma androids separately look like sharks, the fused being could end up looking very differently (hopefully tbh).

[Koitsukai]

I'd be oddly surprised if the Toei character they are bringing into the main continuity happens to be Android 13. Is he that popular?

I never liked him at all, in any form.

No what I meant is that Android 13 in his normal form looks very different than in his fused form (fused with remains of the other androids).

So even though the Gamma androids separately look like sharks, the fused being could end up looking very differently (hopefully tbh).

Oh, yes, but I was thinking more along the lines of having a couple of new RR androids, that may fuse together and present a bigger threat... it would be Toriyama's android 13... sorta.

[The Monkey King]

Are people still hang up on Trunks managing to land a few hits on Goku Black in episode 57?

I just brought it up as an example of how inconsistent power levels can lead to bad story telling, meanwhile others went through mental gymnastics in an attempt justify it

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Are people still hang up on Trunks managing to land a few hits on Goku Black in episode 57?

I just brought it up as an example of how inconsistent power levels can lead to bad story telling, meanwhile others went through mental gymnastics in an attempt justify it

There are certainly times to think of it, and times to ignore it.

Toriyama tends to lean towards the latter, us fans tend to lean towards the former.

A great example of the former one being terrible is for things like the recruitment of Krillin and 17. People got so hung up on the power levels that they completely missed how awesome it was to see these 2 characters grow and their interactions with Goku, which completely overtook actual discussion of those episodes when they were airing in these forums.

[YamiGoku]

I think the Gammas will end up like Beerus, not in the power sense or anything like that but in how the fanbase accept them before and after the movie. I remember a lot of people complaining about Beerus before BOG came out, they said he looked like a pokemon and what not, I think the Gammas may end up on the same boat, everyone complains about how lame they look now, but after the movie they may win a lot of people with their personalities.

[KentMan]

I think the Gammas will end up like Beerus, not in the power sense or anything like that but in how the fanbase accept them before and after the movie. I remember a lot of people complaining about Beerus before BOG came out, they said he looked like a pokemon and what not, I think the Gammas may end up on the same boat, everyone complains about how lame they look now, but after the movie they may win a lot of people with their personalities.

You think almost everyone cares about the cat? He alongside Whis was the worst thing to happen in Dragon Ball. As if the Kai’s weren’t enough we get more of that.

[ZombieVito]

I just brought it up as an example of how inconsistent power levels can lead to bad story telling, meanwhile others went through mental gymnastics in an attempt justify it

[The Monkey King]

I for one think the Gamma's look great, I love their designs.

A couple shark boys wearing outfits that are a combination of military uniforms and superhero costumes.

I also like how their head 'fins' are a reference to sentai heroes like Kamen Riders 1 and 2.



I think they're gonna become fan favourites (if they don't die lol), I also think part of the reason people have been slow to warm up to them is because they're making their debut in a CGI film.

[capsulecorp]

I think the Gammas will end up like Beerus, not in the power sense or anything like that but in how the fanbase accept them before and after the movie. I remember a lot of people complaining about Beerus before BOG came out, they said he looked like a pokemon and what not, I think the Gammas may end up on the same boat, everyone complains about how lame they look now, but after the movie they may win a lot of people with their personalities.

You think almost everyone cares about the cat? He alongside Whis was the worst thing to happen in Dragon Ball. As if the Kai’s weren’t enough we get more of that.

I am sort of surprised that there are people who don't like Beerus!

[Lukmendes]

In the Buu saga, they mentioned when Goku and Vegeta surpassed Cell Games Gohan and that saga ended with Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks above Goku. BoG didn't mention that Goku surpassed them so I figured they both lost power since the Buu saga since Gotenks only used SSJ1 and Gohan used SSJ that was later recolored black. Maybe Vegeta and Mr. Buu were the strongest after Goku at that point.

I wouldn't say Gotenks not going above SS1 is an indication he got weaker (Or not that much weaker), while Beerus did beat up everyone, saiyans in general tend to hold out their power even when they know they're dealing with an overwhelming enemy (Super Broly has Goku briefly fighting Broly in base form, then SS, despite seeing that he was giving SSG Vegeta trouble), and Gotenks is even worse when it comes to that, so him not going above SS1 and Beerus just beating him up before he can do anything else is most likely what happened there, something the anime helps to support, since he never even transformed in it (Though admittedly, he fought Beerus before everyone else except Boo, so one can make a point he had less reasons to transform).

Gohan being weaker though, that could make sense, and also explain why Gohan was so much weaker in RoF, despite that movie being only like one year after BoG, Gohan becoming weaker could be a gradual thing and happened to hit the lowest point in RoF.

The problem is that people tend to underestimate just how much of a factor it is to be off-guard.

I have no doubts that SS2 Trunks was an ant to Base Black, because it's what the Story showed up to that point. But he got Black completely off-guard that one time, he came out of nowhere while Black was focused solely on Goku. That's how he managed to do anything that one time.

It's no different than Sorbet almost killing Goku with a laser shot while Goku was focued elswhere. Being off-guard does matter a lot in a battle setting.

Being off-guard in DB seems to be a huge deal in general in DB, considering Vegeta knocked down Goku in one hit back in Boo saga because Goku was distracted, that's despite both of them being around the same level and Goku still had SS2 activated.

That being said, if the difference in power is too great, then it won't matter too much, base form Goku vs Freeza had at least one moment where Goku hit Freeza when he was off-guard, since Goku did a surprise attack on Freeza's back, and Freeza wasn't hurt at all, SS2 Trunks should similarly not manage to do any real damage to Rosé Black, and that brief scuffle in episode 57 didn't make Trunks look weaker.

It's even weirder if you consider how much of an advantage Trunks had against Zamasu in the same episode, while the episode can give the impression Zamasu isn't that strong and relies on immortality to keep up, later episodes quite clearly have him managing to keep up with Goku without needing his immortality at all, so twice Trunks was looking far stronger than he should in that episode.

Do you guys think we'll get one last trailer before the premiere? maybe unveiling if it's Cell, 21, a Gamma fusion or somebody else?

Reminds me that I have a theory that 21 may end up in the movie, but I'm not sure if she'll have the Majin nonsense, I find it very curious Arcsys released that Labcoat 21 in DBFZ just a few months before the movie came out.

Anyone remember when Bardock and Z Broly came out in relation to Super Broly? Wondering now if that's a pattern...

I called it btw, I knew that those two robots, as they currently are, were never meant to be the main threat. Their design is too lame and boring. They are just a stepping stone for the real final threat, which could potentially be a fused being of these two (although the fused being could end up looking very differently, like Android 13).

I doubt it'll be as bulked up as Super 13, Toriyama in general avoids making strong looking guys be actually strong, and a case like Jiren where he's actually strong was surprising even.

I think the Gammas will end up like Beerus, not in the power sense or anything like that but in how the fanbase accept them before and after the movie. I remember a lot of people complaining about Beerus before BOG came out, they said he looked like a pokemon and what not, I think the Gammas may end up on the same boat, everyone complains about how lame they look now, but after the movie they may win a lot of people with their personalities.

Beerus did bring a lot of interesting stuff, and has an interesting personality that isn't a super evil villain like DB tends to do, he had a lot going on for him post release, which's why he was accepted, I'd be surprised if Gammas manage to do something on a similar level, although just being accepted can be fine too.

[KentMan]

I think the Gammas will end up like Beerus, not in the power sense or anything like that but in how the fanbase accept them before and after the movie. I remember a lot of people complaining about Beerus before BOG came out, they said he looked like a pokemon and what not, I think the Gammas may end up on the same boat, everyone complains about how lame they look now, but after the movie they may win a lot of people with their personalities.

You think almost everyone cares about the cat? He alongside Whis was the worst thing to happen in Dragon Ball. As if the Kai’s weren’t enough we get more of that.

I am sort of surprised that there are people who don't like Beerus!

It’s not surprising not many like him since he does absolutely nothing

[PrinceVegetto]

Do you guys think we'll get one last trailer before the premiere? maybe unveiling if it's Cell, 21, a Gamma fusion or somebody else?

Perhaps more about Broly and Beerus?

We don't even have a score yet, right?

I think we'll definitely get another trailer or at the very least more tidbits. Pretty sure Broly had a new trailer just days before its premiere.

[Skar]

I wouldn't say Gotenks not going above SS1 is an indication he got weaker (Or not that much weaker), while Beerus did beat up everyone, saiyans in general tend to hold out their power even when they know they're dealing with an overwhelming enemy (Super Broly has Goku briefly fighting Broly in base form, then SS, despite seeing that he was giving SSG Vegeta trouble), and Gotenks is even worse when it comes to that, so him not going above SS1 and Beerus just beating him up before he can do anything else is most likely what happened there, something the anime helps to support, since he never even transformed in it (Though admittedly, he fought Beerus before everyone else except Boo, so one can make a point he had less reasons to transform).

In those cases, the character is usually shown reaching their highest form by the end of the fight. It's possible Gotenks struggles going SSJ3 due to lack of training like how Gohan wasn't sure if he could go SSJ1 in RoF. We know in EoZ that Goten and Trunks have been slacking off. In Super Hero, it seems that they'll mess up the fusion so they might've used fusion only in BoG and this is the second time since the Buu saga (based on the films only).