Daman Mills issue

[PurestEvil]

I meant we met at the same ages, 19 and 15. It's not that big of a deal.

… Nah it’s actually not okay. Just because my parents met when my mom was 16 and my dad 22 doesn’t make it right, just because something supposedly worked out well, doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal. Don’t know your story, but I wouldn’t be telling 19 year olds it’s okay to date 15 year olds. Regardless of what anyone thinks it’s a difference that makes a big difference.

So you have first-hand experience of it working out within your own family and you're still disregarding context because of some axiomatic truth. Like I said, two people meeting organically isn't the same as grooming.

What are your views on the age of consent?
No snark, I am only curious about your perspective

[Yuji]

… Nah it’s actually not okay. Just because my parents met when my mom was 16 and my dad 22 doesn’t make it right, just because something supposedly worked out well, doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal. Don’t know your story, but I wouldn’t be telling 19 year olds it’s okay to date 15 year olds. Regardless of what anyone thinks it’s a difference that makes a big difference.

So you have first-hand experience of it working out within your own family and you're still disregarding context because of some axiomatic truth. Like I said, two people meeting organically isn't the same as grooming.

What are your views on the age of consent?
No snark, I am only curious about your perspective

They are necessary to protect minors from predators but exceptions or Romeo and Juliet laws should be passed to protect and normalize organic relationships between teenagers and young adults, especially in an age where everyone shares the same social circle (the internet) and most people within a generation seem to have the same mental maturity regardless of age. It obviously depends on a case by case basis. My relationship isn't predatory but I can see how it could be construed as such.

I don't have an understanding of most country's laws but in general I agree with the idea that age of consent should be around 14-16 with the condition that the partner is only up to 3-4 years older as most European countries do. I don't take issue with the law but the public perception, especially in American circles, surrounding these relationships.

[JulieYBM]

While I believe the victim the majority of the time saying that's the end of it is a dangerous slope.

I meant that when someone says 'no', that's that. Is it possible that there's some wild possibility of there being a truth beyond a victim's claim? Perhaps. Is it even possible to prove that? I don't know. We're talking about events from 7+ years ago, so unless Mills has some incendiary proof that Duncan was not being pressured by him to engage in non-consensual acts I'm not sure what else there is to say. I'm not in the business of denying victims nor tribalism towards queer people.

[KentMan]

Well so much for society protecting minors and vulnerable people.

[miguelnuva1]

While I believe the victim the majority of the time saying that's the end of it is a dangerous slope.

I meant that when someone says 'no', that's that. Is it possible that there's some wild possibility of there being a truth beyond a victim's claim? Perhaps. Is it even possible to prove that? I don't know. We're talking about events from 7+ years ago, so unless Mills has some incendiary proof that Duncan was not being pressured by him to engage in non-consensual acts I'm not sure what else there is to say. I'm not in the business of denying victims nor tribalism towards queer people.

I agree with you on saying no 100% and maybe got the meaning of the post confused.

So you have first-hand experience of it working out within your own family and you're still disregarding context because of some axiomatic truth. Like I said, two people meeting organically isn't the same as grooming.

What are your views on the age of consent?
No snark, I am only curious about your perspective

They are necessary to protect minors from predators but exceptions or Romeo and Juliet laws should be passed to protect and normalize organic relationships between teenagers and young adults, especially in an age where everyone shares the same social circle (the internet) and most people within a generation seem to have the same mental maturity regardless of age. It obviously depends on a case by case basis. My relationship isn't predatory but I can see how it could be construed as such.

I don't have an understanding of most country's laws but in general I agree with the idea that age of consent should be around 14-16 with the condition that the partner is only up to 3-4 years older as most European countries do. I don't take issue with the law but the public perception, especially in American circles, surrounding these relationships.

A senior having intreast in a freshman is creepy enough to me let alone a 19 year old meeting and dating a 15 year old.

Dating somone 4 years younger than you should be saved for when everyone is 18 at least.

If I had a 15 year old son or daughter that was being pressed by a 19 year old guy I'm probably going to be fighting.

[Shaddy]

I mean fans that don’t want to get involved in this and are staying neutral because they don’t know and can’t decide on the Vic situation.

But remaining "undecided" on whether the assaults Vic literally directly verbally admitted to in his deposition happened is already a denial. That's not neutrality.

If you say the world being flat is equally as likely as it being round, you are making a massive concession to the flat-earthers.

Also, "fans that don't want to get involved" would simply not be involved. Nobody's making you take part in these arguments.

Oh yes they’re still talking to Mr C and according to him they’re saying and still believing that Vic is innocent and Damon Mills is a word that I ain’t gonna type.

I mean, we can see that much just by looking at any of their horrible twitter accounts. You're still dodging my actual question though, which is how you think there can be "peace" between Vic stans and everyone else.

[dragonmagico]

ehhh 15 and 19 is too icky for me. Yeah both are still teens and its not *as* bad as someone in their 20s and a 15 year old(sadly happens more than we would like to admit), but its a highschool student with someone that has a year of adult life under their belts. Thats just... No its not like a 19 year old and someone a month or so from being 17 15 is still a dang child 100% no "Wellll buuuuuuut" about it.

[Yuji]

ehhh 15 and 19 is too icky for me. Yeah both are still teens and its not *as* bad as someone in their 20s and a 15 year old(sadly happens more than we would like to admit), but its a highschool student with someone that has a year of adult life under their belts. Thats just... No its not like a 19 year old and someone a month or so from being 17 15 is still a dang child 100% no "Wellll buuuuuuut" about it.

There's nothing inherently more mature about a 19 year old compared to a 15 year old and no inherent power differential. Universal age of consent would and should be at 25 if we accounted for brain development. There's a reason the law has caveats for age differences. Like I said, people today can meet on the internet organically. A young adult doesn't need or intend to go out of his way to talk to teenagers in a predatory manner, it just happens. Case by case basis, not everyone is a predator, some people are just lonely, some people are genuinely interested in a friendship that can evolve into a romantic relationship with the other person.

Again, Mills seems to be in the catagory of genuine creep and/or predator.

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intere ... ct/.182629
Yes this reached me while scouring the web

So is it common for actors to actually be perverted people behind closed doors? Because I see this kinda stuff happening all the time. From Mignogna to Mills, a lot of actors (mainly male ones) have been accused, and have actually committed, sexual misconduct. Why does this keep happening? Are they not satisfied with their relationships, forcing them to go for other women? Are they closeted perverts? Has sexual abuse in the American film industry creeped into the voice acting/dubbing industry as well? What's going on?

[dragonmagico]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intere ... ct/.182629
Yes this reached me while scouring the web

So is it common for actors to actually be perverted people behind closed doors? Because I see this kinda stuff happening all the time. From Mignogna to Mills, a lot of actors (mainly male ones) have been accused, and have actually committed, sexual misconduct. Why does this keep happening? Are they not satisfied with their relationships, forcing them to go for other women? Are they closeted perverts? Has sexual abuse in the American film industry creeped into the voice acting/dubbing industry as well? What's going on?

I mean if the more mainstream entertainment industry is full of r*pists why wouldnt the more niche ones be too?

[Majin Buu]

not everyone is a predator, some people are just lonely, some people are genuinely interested in a friendship that can evolve into a romantic relationship with the other person.

Likewise, not every predator thinks of themselves as one. In fact, I'd wager that many predators don't actually view themselves as predators and would describe themselves in innocent ways similar to what you just said.

[Yuji]

not everyone is a predator, some people are just lonely, some people are genuinely interested in a friendship that can evolve into a romantic relationship with the other person.

Likewise, not every predator thinks of themselves as one. In fact, I'd wager that many predators don't actually view themselves as predators and would describe themselves in innocent ways similar to what you just said.

Definitely. But I don't think simply being interested in someone younger makes someone a predator, it's being pushy or exploiting vulnerabilities.

[MasenkoHA]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intere ... ct/.182629
Yes this reached me while scouring the web

So is it common for actors to actually be perverted people behind closed doors? Because I see this kinda stuff happening all the time. From Mignogna to Mills, a lot of actors (mainly male ones) have been accused, and have actually committed, sexual misconduct. Why does this keep happening? Are they not satisfied with their relationships, forcing them to go for other women? Are they closeted perverts? Has sexual abuse in the American film industry creeped into the voice acting/dubbing industry as well? What's going on?

It’s less that it’s common from actors and more you’re gonna hear about it because they’re actors. The creepy cook preying on co-workers at his Applebees isn’t going to get the same kind of attention outside maybe a local Facebook post that an actor even D listers like Damon Mills and Mignogna would.

[miguelnuva1]

When my brother and I were 19 a backpack was a turn off unless you were in college or I knew the girl was a senior.

I'm not going to say it's wrong for everybody but I would be sick if a 19 year old wanted to date my 15 year old son or daughter.

[dragonmagico]

not everyone is a predator, some people are just lonely, some people are genuinely interested in a friendship that can evolve into a romantic relationship with the other person.

Likewise, not every predator thinks of themselves as one. In fact, I'd wager that many predators don't actually view themselves as predators and would describe themselves in innocent ways similar to what you just said.

Definitely. But I don't think simply being interested in someone younger makes someone a predator, it's being pushy or exploiting vulnerabilities.

Being interested in someone younger doesn't automagically make you one. being an adult forcing yourself on a child does.

[KentMan]

I mean fans that don’t want to get involved in this and are staying neutral because they don’t know and can’t decide on the Vic situation.

But remaining "undecided" on whether the assaults Vic literally directly verbally admitted to in his deposition happened is already a denial. That's not neutrality.

If you say the world being flat is equally as likely as it being round, you are making a massive concession to the flat-earthers.

Also, "fans that don't want to get involved" would simply not be involved. Nobody's making you take part in these arguments.

Oh yes they’re still talking to Mr C and according to him they’re saying and still believing that Vic is innocent and Damon Mills is a word that I ain’t gonna type.

I mean, we can see that much just by looking at any of their horrible twitter accounts. You're still dodging my actual question though, which is how you think there can be "peace" between Vic stans and everyone else.

There are fans that don’t believe Vic is guilty its not just Vic supporters. The neutrality I speak of is just them not liking this pointless squabble.

I ain’t dodging your question cause I know and you know that any hatred fighting harassing and what not. Causes pain and suffering while losing friendships with one another. It is not worth it anything that causes people to fight one another is not worth keeping. If something is causing you to not see what it is your doing than I suggest you let it go. I personally don’t want to lose anyone because I care and love others. Why can’t you?

[KentMan]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/intere ... ct/.182629
Yes this reached me while scouring the web

So is it common for actors to actually be perverted people behind closed doors? Because I see this kinda stuff happening all the time. From Mignogna to Mills, a lot of actors (mainly male ones) have been accused, and have actually committed, sexual misconduct. Why does this keep happening? Are they not satisfied with their relationships, forcing them to go for other women? Are they closeted perverts? Has sexual abuse in the American film industry creeped into the voice acting/dubbing industry as well? What's going on?

The thing you are talking about is what happens when humans are tempted by that which seeks to destroy them.

[Majin Buu]

Definitely. But I don't think simply being interested in someone younger makes someone a predator, it's being pushy or exploiting vulnerabilities.

It's a potential red flag at minimum, particularly if said person is only interested in younger people.

[Shaddy]

There are fans that don’t believe Vic is guilty its not just Vic supporters. The neutrality I speak of is just them not liking this pointless squabble.

If you believe that Mignogna did not do the things he literally said he did, then that's not fucking neutrality, dude. That is supporting Vic Mignogna. And let's be honest, 90% of the time it's a proxy for saying the abusers they like shouldn't face consequences either way. This is what the other side believes.

I ain’t dodging your question cause I know and you know that any hatred fighting harassing and what not. Causes pain and suffering while losing friendships with one another.

Well hey, why don't you tell Vic Mignogna and his toxic internet fans to stop harassing people then? Because, to be clear, they're the ones doing that, not us. There is an incredible amount of difference between whatever toxicity has been thrown their way for the whole "supporting a self-admitted abuser" deal and what they've inflicted the rest of the world's "thinking assault is bad" position. If you think it's equal, you're either a liar or a fool.

It is not worth it anything that causes people to fight one another is not worth keeping. If something is causing you to not see what it is your doing than I suggest you let it go. I personally don’t want to lose anyone because I care and love others. Why can’t you?

Actually, whether or not people get assaulted is objectively worth more than a faux-pas of civility with a bunch of internet douchebags. Some things actually should be fought for.

If something is causing you to not see what it is your doing than I suggest you let it go. I personally don’t want to lose anyone because I care and love others. Why can’t you?

You obviously don't care about the victims here though, otherwise you wouldn't be demanding their supporters roll over and let the reactionary internet shitheads do whatever they want.

[miguelnuva1]

I'm sorry but I didn't follow the trial much, but Vic actually admitted to what he did?