Daman Mills issue

[JulieYBM]

Reading your post makes me wish I was doing drugs so maybe you would sound coherent.

It’s not that hard to understand that Daman Mills allowed the “drug” to take over

The 'drug' ('sex') is not 'take over', because 'sex' is consensual. 'Rape' or 'sexual assault' are not sex, they are harmful acts done without one's consent.

[KentMan]

I swear to God, if KentMan makes another stupid post, I'm gonna bully him with memes about how stupid his posts are

That’s up to you kid

Whorephobia and anti-drug use is bad and harmful to marginalized people and people in general.

Anyway, this is highly off-topic and not even in a thread where it's harmless to goof off.

Nothing is off topic drugs exist in many forms Daman Mills just took one that caused him to commit a crime. It’s what we call not controlling your urges and he failed.

[KentMan]

The 'drug' ('sex') is not 'take over', because 'sex' is consensual. 'Rape' or 'sexual assault' are not sex, they are harmful acts done without one's consent.

When a person allows the drive to control them they have failed miserably like Daman Mills

[MasenkoHA]

The 'drug' ('sex') is not 'take over', because 'sex' is consensual. 'Rape' or 'sexual assault' are not sex, they are harmful acts done without one's consent.

When a person allows the drive to control them they have failed miserably like Daman Mills

Literally nobody has said otherwise. Do you even think before you post?

[KentMan]

Do you even think before you post?

I think that fits more with some here that was lying about me.

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

The 'drug' ('sex') is not 'take over', because 'sex' is consensual. 'Rape' or 'sexual assault' are not sex, they are harmful acts done without one's consent.

When a person allows the drive to control them they have failed miserably like Daman Mills

Do you even think before you post?

Incredible, I've found someone who's like my little brother - they don't think before they speak (referring to KentMan and not you)

[KentMan]

Incredible, I've found someone who's like my little brother

Why are the both of you on this topic if you’re under the age of 18? So much for keeping kids safe from this stuff. Does your parents even know what you’re doing?

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

Incredible, I've found someone who's like my little brother

Why are the both of you on this topic if you’re under the age of 18?

My little brother is TEN. He's not on Kanzenshuu, and besides, I'm much more mature than him anyway

Does your parents even know what you’re doing?

What I do here is none of your concern unless it somehow involves and/or causes harm to you. Me being here does not cause either of those things. And besides, why do my parents need to know that I'm on this forum? Chances are when a lot of the people here joined Kanzenshuu for the first time, they never asked for their parents' permission, so why should I?

[Yuji]

… Nah it’s actually not okay. Just because my parents met when my mom was 16 and my dad 22 doesn’t make it right, just because something supposedly worked out well, doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal. Don’t know your story, but I wouldn’t be telling 19 year olds it’s okay to date 15 year olds. Regardless of what anyone thinks it’s a difference that makes a big difference.

So you have first-hand experience of it working out within your own family and you're still disregarding context because of some axiomatic truth. Like I said, two people meeting organically isn't the same as grooming.

Just because there’s people who have experienced it which claim to be fine, doesn’t mean it is. If you think dating a 16 year old at 20 is okay I think you have an issue that needs to be addressed. As I’ve said before there’s a power imbalance as well as maturity gap. Imagine trying to suggest 16 year olds being married off to mid 20s - 30 year old men is okay because it was done in the past. You know there’s people who have been through sexual abuse but haven’t actually had the psychological consequences that most people have? Does that mean we start saying “oh but it’s not always bad!”. Come off it.

For someone studying psychology, you're having a hard time looking at things without a black and white perspective. Yes, a 20 year old dating a 16 year old can be okay in certain cases. I can attest to my relationship, apparently your parents' relationship, many of my acquaintances or friends with similar age gaps in teenagehood. There is no inherent power or maturity imbalance. The brain doesn't stop developing until 25. A rich 16 year old has more power than a NEET 20 year old and an extroverted 16 year old with the right experiences probably has more maturity than another NEET 20 year old. Hell, even just a random 16 year old girl has more power and maturity than your random incel. I think you're going for "after 18 you can drive, go to college, get a job, get your own place, etc which means you're in a different world from teenagers" angle which a) isn't inherently true and b) not all young adults have access to those experiences especially in countries where living with your parents until your mid-twenties is normal and socially acceptable.

Also nobody said anything about teenagers marrying adults in their mid 20s or 30s. I've specifically been talking about teenagers dating young adults 3-4 years older. Don't argue if you're going to do it in bad faith.

[Brodes]

Reading your post makes me wish I was doing drugs so maybe you would sound coherent.

It’s not that hard to understand that Daman Mills allowed the “drug” to take over

And what drug would that be?

(Please say "sex", please say "sex", so I know your posts are truly asinine and need to be ignored.)

[mute_proxy]

And what drug would that be?

(Please say "sex", please say "sex", so I know your posts are truly asinine and need to be ignored.)

You won't get anything from him, he's already banned.

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

Good riddance. That's one less delusional idiot for us to deal with.


...right, so what were we talking about again? i lost my train of thought lmao

[Koitsukai]

Oh, boy, and I thought I was being trolled about the implications of Granola's wish...

[miguelnuva1]

Reading your post makes me wish I was doing drugs so maybe you would sound coherent.

It’s not that hard to understand that Daman Mills allowed the “drug” to take over

The 'drug' ('sex') is not 'take over', because 'sex' is consensual. 'Rape' or 'sexual assault' are not sex, they are harmful acts done without one's consent.

I wish I had a like button for this post. Took the words out of my mouth.

[JulieYBM]

It’s not that hard to understand that Daman Mills allowed the “drug” to take over

The 'drug' ('sex') is not 'take over', because 'sex' is consensual. 'Rape' or 'sexual assault' are not sex, they are harmful acts done without one's consent.

I wish I had a like button for this post. Took the words out of my mouth.

Thank you for you kind words.

[miguelnuva1]

The 'drug' ('sex') is not 'take over', because 'sex' is consensual. 'Rape' or 'sexual assault' are not sex, they are harmful acts done without one's consent.

I wish I had a like button for this post. Took the words out of my mouth.

Thank you for you kind words.

Thank you as well, but when the truth is spoken what else is there to say.

[WittyUsername]

I’ve made my disdain for voice actors clear in the past, so if the majority of them were sex pests, that would be another reason to dislike them, although that’s probably not the case. A lot of them seem to be okay with (alleged) sex pests, though.

[JulieYBM]

I’ve made my disdain for voice actors clear in the past, so if the majority of them were sex pests, that would be another reason to dislike them, although that’s probably not the case. A lot of them seem to be okay with (alleged) sex pests, though.

This is such a baffling post, which is saying something considering the nonsense that has been posted in this thread today. What does any of this mean? How the hell do you quantify this when there are hundreds of thousands if not more voice actors in the freelance industry?

[WittyUsername]

I’ve made my disdain for voice actors clear in the past, so if the majority of them were sex pests, that would be another reason to dislike them, although that’s probably not the case. A lot of them seem to be okay with (alleged) sex pests, though.

This is such a baffling post, which is saying something considering the nonsense that has been posted in this thread today. What does any of this mean? How the hell do you quantify this when there are hundreds of thousands if not more voice actors in the freelance industry?

From what I can tell, plenty of voice actors still seem to pall around with people like Todd Haberkorn. Maybe I’m just looking at things from too much of a black and white point of view, but I can’t shake the feeling that all these “progressive” voice actors are two-faced hypocrites. It’s like all those people who condemn J.K. Rowling, while simultaneously being fans of South Park.

[Shaddy]

I now feel terrible about having wasted the "what the fuck happened here" image on the pearl jam thread earlier. I thought this thread was going to cool off after the guy stopped replying to me, but it's gone even further off the rails. Let's just clear up a few things here:

1. Sex is not evil, violation of personal boundaries and abuse is.

2. Drugs are also not evil. They can be dangerous, and substance abuse can lead to horrible, horrible decisions, but drugs are a variety of substances, and none of them have a moral alignment.

3. Vic Mignogna verbally admitted to assaulting a woman who accused him of assaulting her. Anyone who defends or denies this is trying to push a misogynist agenda, full-stop.

4. Daman Mills almost certainly sexually abused the man currently accusing him. Both agree the event happened, the accuser says it was non-consensual (I mean, he was asleep), and I see no reason not to believe him. He should be dropped from the company, same as Mignogna.

5. The proclivity for these types to be hired and stay hired for this long probably says something about the state of anime dubbing in America or Funimation as a company.

6. This does not however follow that Mills' previous support of Mignogna's victims "proves" they were "lying", nor that anyone else on the accuser's side is themselves an abuser.

From what I can tell, plenty of voice actors still seem to pall around with people like Todd Haberkorn. Maybe I’m just looking at things from too much of a black and white point of view, but I can’t shake the feeling that all these “progressive” voice actors are two-faced hypocrites. It’s like all those people who condemn J.K. Rowling, while simultaneously being fans of South Park.

I think there is a difference between being true friends with someone you know to be a creep and having to maintain a professional relationship with them for your job. I mean, plenty of them may not even know, since the Haberkorn stuff was one drop in the ocean of Vic discourse. You're speaking too vaguely for me to gain a real sense of who exactly you're referring to, but this feels like the same line of reasoning that brought us "why would Rial accuse Vic if her twitter posts towards him looked friendly?". Now more than ever, Sony is building a monopoly on English anime distribution, and whether people at the company are shitty or not it's going to become harder and harder for anyone to work in anime dubs without some connection to it. Either way, just saying "voice actors" is painting with a pretty large brush.

Also, I'm not sure the Rowling/South Park comparison works. There's being a fan of a property, and then there's being a fan or defender of a person. I have for years and probably will continue to get some amount of enjoyment out of both South Park and Harry Potter, even if I hate both JK and Parker/Stone (and admittedly, none of them are making it easy to enjoy their creations). Hell, I still like plenty of dubs Vic fucking Mignogna was in. People don't really get to choose their preferences in abstract media, and I think it's more important to take a consequentialist perspective when analyzing whether a person's support of a property is harmful, especially when they acknowledge that the creators behind it are flawed, even terrible. Now, I don't plan on monetarily supporting those properties or people, so if that's what you mean, I totally DO get it, but we're also all Dragon Ball fans here, and let's not pretend that Toriyama or his writing are free from racism and misogyny. More banal racism and misogyny? Perhaps, but still there.