Vegeta was given so many chances in DBZ

[PurestEvil]

I dunno, the fact that Vegeta attacked his son just so Cell could get the Perfect form is pretty damning towards him.

Damning? It's not like he tried to kill Trunks or anything. They're both warriors, and Trunks is not a child. The father/son relationship only means but so much. Vegeta had already proven earlier in the saga that he wasn't above attacking his own son if he got in his way.

Trunks was trying to save the world from total destruction and Vegeta was trying to save his own ego. Doesn't take a 3-digit IQ to figure out which person is worse than the other.

"Just so Cell could get the perfect form..."? To Vegeta this meant everything. His Saiyan pride and lust for battle wouldn't accept anything less.

He can cry a river lmao. If it was in Vegeta's true nature, his actual intrinsic essence, to risk the Earth getting reduced to Venus, then that makes him less justifiable, not more so.

The only part about it that makes Vegeta look bad is the fact that he was willing to potentially allow for the Earth and its people to be destroyed for the sake of fighting Cell at full power.

Makes Vegeta look bad? That makes him bad, full stop!

[MyVisionity]

That's not really evil. He mostly just wants to defeat Goku in battle.

Are you seriously saying that wanting to kill Goku is not evil?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's not cold-blooded murder, it's defeat in combat. Goku's death is just a natural outcome of the battle for Vegeta. It's how he fights.

Somehow I doubt he cares whether or not Goku is actually killed.

I'm not sure if that's what Vegeta actually says, it may be Viz taking liberties. In the anime, I think I recall that Vegeta only says something like Goku is his ultimate objective, but doesn't mention killing.

The only part about it that makes Vegeta look bad is the fact that he was willing to potentially allow for the Earth and its people to be destroyed for the sake of fighting Cell at full power.

Makes Vegeta look bad? That makes him bad, full stop!

I agree. I'm just saying that's the part that makes him bad, not the stuff about attacking his own son.

[Lukmendes]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's not cold-blooded murder, it's defeat in combat. Goku's death is just a natural outcome of the battle for Vegeta. It's how he fights.

I don't see how it being the way he fights makes it not evil lol.

I'm not sure if that's what Vegeta actually says, it may be Viz taking liberties. In the anime, I think I recall that Vegeta only says something like Goku is his ultimate objective, but doesn't mention killing.

Even if he doesn't mention killing there, the "You might regret this later" line and the smirk heavily implies he's planning to kill Goku anyways, or at least, beat him up very brutally.

If we're just going to keep parroting the same points Imma drop this 'cause repetition bores me lol.

[dva_raza]

I can promise you, the only reason I keep arguing is because wondering how you can think the idea of Goku trying to have his cake and eat it too by pretending to fight evenly with him is on any way contradictory and wondering if I'm having a stroke.

If you had maybe clearly explained why Goku might not try to do both of those things instead of trying so hard gotcha on me that you fail to actually make sense, we wouldn't be here.

And I can promise you, that has in fact been responded. So I don’t know why keep “wondering” when you could just read the explanation but it’s clear you didn’t even try, otherwise you would be specific about what you disagree with from what I said and you’re not doing that.
And I don’t know what you mean with the “gotcha” thing. I don’t need to “try hard” to point out something as transparent as the fact that you’re weirdly fixated on this (while pointing at me about it) and stubbornly avoiding the bigger picture I keep bringing up. There is no “gotcha” either about answering you that the “lying” thing you're clinged to has nothing to do with what I find absurd about your notion. And that there is no “cake to have and eat too”, there is one situation that has all the most obvious, best results, hence no sense in choosing the option that’s damaging in every aspect.
I also said that that is MY interpretation of that specific scenario. And that as much as you have the right to view it differently, you don’t have the right to use YOUR headcanon to make factual determinations (in this case, to make the affirmation that Goku was being negligent and not simply being cautious, which is MY view).
And most importantly I also said that this is a miniscule point for us to be focused on to this degree and if anything should make you "wonder if you’re having a stroke” is the fact that you STILL are in this reply.

Hey dva_raza
I just noticed you used a video clip in spanish, I was thinking it was the american one where they say goku's father is a scientist, because that way anything can be xDD. Ok so, using the same video you quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFwr28Ia6is EVEN THERE IS SAID, vegeta says at minute 02:00

"Pensé detenidamente y se me ocurrió esta idea "si me dejaba manipular por ese sujeto pelearía contigo kakaroto" "me imagine que con esto desapareceria la diferencia de poderes"

in english: "I thought carefully and this idea occurred to me "if I let myself be manipulated by that guy I would fight you kakaroto" "I imagined that with this the difference in powers would disappear"

So, he says about fighting him first because it was the MAIN reason, then he says "to match the difference in power" so you see in all cases we are BOTH correct, you did not need to say what I said was "FALSE" amigo.

Lol..dude..the reason I timestamped specifically 2:09 and not the first part of his speech is because YOU DENIED Vegeta doing it for power:

No.Vegeta did not think Goku had more power than him, he (AS ALWAYS) thought himself was either a match or stronger than Goku. He did not allowed the possession to increase power

You also said Vegeta got possessed because "goku would not fight him". Which is why I said that was false.
If what you meant to say is Vegeta didn't want to wait for it, or that he just wanted to have things on his own terms then, again, that's correct and nobody denied that

Vgeta had been doing at Capsule Corp for the past 7 years. That fight was very important to Vegeta due to those reasons, because of his ego and as warrior. For him Majin Buu and was taking that chance away from him and that is the reason why he allowed the posession, it was an act of despair, he was desperate.

LOL again, what are you talking about? Majin Buu wasn't taking anybody's "chance away" - Majin Buu was SECONDS AWAY from being eliminated in his egg. He had not presented any sort of threat to Vegeta's plan to fight Goku by that point.
Whatever time they had spent on that situation, there was still more than enough left for them to have their fight after it and if Vegeta really wanted to put to test his 7 years of training he could have done exactly that.

He didn’t do it because he didn’t want to do it the honorable way. Just that. He didn’t want to fight if he knew he was gonna lose, so he cheated to get power and to become unchained and fight as the evil Saiyan he used to be. So what's your point with all the argument exactly, are you somehow denying that what he did was evil?

Well, if the very act of Vegeta's possession was the thing that let Boo out, you'd have a point there. Like if literally all it took was an M on his forehead to release him. But that's not what let Boo out.

I understand that point. But you’re missing the fact that I’m not (never was) talking about the aspect of –what went on- between Vegeta and Goku once he got possessed.
I’m pointing out specifically that the instant Vegeta decided to allow himself to be possessed, he prevented the threat’s elimination as it was supposed to happen within minutes. He sabotaged what was a done deal and he takes a 100% the blame for that.

Sure, Vegeta letting himself get possessed forced them to scrap Kaioshin's "Plan A". Vegeta is 100% culpable for getting Kaioshin's "Plan A" scrapped. That's not in dispute. If that's all you were arguing, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

No it’s not all I’m arguing. I’m saying that “plan A” (as you call it) being sabotaged caused Buu’s eventual release.

But you were talking about Boo's release in your initial reply to me

Still am. I am talking about who is responsable for “Buu being released”, exactly that.

Kaioshin's "Plan A" being scrapped and Boo getting released are two different things.

Lol no. They are not different things. That's kinda the whole point here.
I mean for starters there wasn’t such thing as a “plan A” and “plan B”, lets establish that. There was one plan, which got sabotaged.
What happened AFTER that isn’t a plan and there is no separation, it’s one same situation that evolved into the mess that it did because one person deliberately prevented the threat being killed.
I don’t understand the abstract separation you’re making.
What exactly happened was: One action, from one person, caused chaos. That chaos subsequently led to Buus release. That’s it.

I’m simply going from starting point - to ending point. While most of you are dwelling in it’s MIDDLE.
Basically the way you’re reasoning this, is you are attributing Buu’s release to the things that went on in the middle of the chaos, while I’m attributing Buu’s realease to what happened initially, since what happened inicially is directly what caused that chaos you are al dwelling in in the first place.

"Plan A" being scrapped and Vegeta getting an M on his forehead were not enough to release Boo. You say you understand this point.

Maybe things got confused when I said “i understand your point”.
What I meant is that I understand your reasoning process here, but I followed by saying you’re missing an aspect (which invalidates that reasononing)

I was just pointing out that I wasn't arguing that Vegeta “being possessed” caused Buus subsequent release. But Vegeta being possessed is what stopped Buu from being eliminated when he should have been. Therefore created a situation that led to his release.

he's not responsible for how Goku held up his end of following "Plan B". Goku did not defeat Vegeta as soon as possible (let alone at all). His failure to see "Plan B" through to the end is on him, because we learn that he could have seen it through to the end once Super Saiyan 3 is introduced as having been in his back pocket the whole time.

This is a point I expanded on with jjgp1112. I said that your argument about Goku being negligent in that situation is based on literal headcanons.
As dumb as you might find that Goku didn't use SS3, that doesn’t make him a failure in seeing a “plan B”. For Goku it wasn't as obvious as it is for you. Saving it for lack of knowledge about how things will transpire and not knowing if Vegeta might kill him if he begins to transform, not knowing how long he would maintain it in time to kill Buu, etc, is totally reasonable.
And this is important because I also repeat, there’s a difference between being negligent and –not being able to resolve something in the best way-. And I see Goku’s situation fits the latter more.
You can’t make the factual determination that Goku “could have seen it through to the end”, we can’t know that.
Although what’s worth mentioning is that according to super michael’s mention of the manga, things seem to be more aligned with MY interpretation, which is simply: he wanted to save time. And including someone in the blame about an issue they didn’t start and also tried their BEST to resolve is basically unnecessary pettiness.

Your arguments completely failed the moment you tried comparing a mass fire to a sentient being with agency. "I have no reason to put out a fire around me that I didn't start" is basically what your arguments amount too.

And since I never said anything reflective of that phrase, no, my arguments did not ‘completely fail’, and everything stands exactly the same.

You making up, changing or adding random elements to the example I presented, just like Gaffer already did previously, obviously doesn’t qualify as my argument “failing”.

I’ve no idea where you came up with a notion like: “I have no reason to put out a fire around me that I didn't start”? but it’s not even remotely close to any idea I argued at any point.
So no, that is most definitley NOT “basically what my arguments amount to”. That is a random phrase you made up.

What I said is,
1. The firemen were unable to put out the fire. (Meaning: They did their job. But were simply unsuccesful.)
2. You don’t blame the firemen for the fire having been started. The fire was started by the person who started it.

I’ve said this a million times, but this is not in the least a complicated enough concept for you or anybody be circling around or pretending to have something to argue against.
And I’m saying “pretending” because if you actually did have something to argue about it, you wouldn’t be making up your own versions of it and strawmanning in such an ridiculously obvious way. If you wanna read that part again and THEN make a coherent reply with your thoughts about it, great. But if the only way you have an “argument” is by having to make up nonsense that were never said that is just you being dishonest and wasting time.

I've said it once and ill say it again, when you are caught in the middle of a potential disaster or conflict that involves you and you completely have the power or ability to completely stop said disaster or conflict from ever happening yet choose instead to let it happen for whatever reason, then you also become accountable for it happening whether you like it or not.

Yeah and I had dismissed that example since it obviously doesn’t apply to the situation we’re talking about. But I’ll respond now.

A natural disaster is supposed to be stopped/prevented/resolved by people that are in charge of exactly that.
Since there isn’t anybody who caused the natural disaster, it caused itself, you blame whoever didn’t stop/prevent/resolve it.

In a scenario of A PERSON CAUSING a chaos, THAT PERSON gets 100% of the blame for CAUSING that chaos.
Whether other people were able to RESOLVE that issue that another person started, is irrelevant to the question of : WHO started the issue. (Which is a nonexistent aspect in the case of a natural disaster, since nobody caused it).

There's not a single person in this entire thread trying to argue that Vegeta shouldn't be blamed for anything lol,

“Lol” and I never said anybody was. So I don’t know what is the purpose with this phrase

you and many others get triggered at the mere suggestion of the fact that Goku also deserves blame for happened in the Buu saga.

Well, because that mere suggestion is inaccurate and I always get triggered when inaccurate things are being affirmed. Just that.

Goku knew exactly what he was doing and what was at stake, yet choose to let it all play out anyway,

I’ve said this already. Listen carefully, cause this is 100% A FACT:

--That is only your interpretation--

Meaning, it is not a fact that that is what he did.
That is one (valid) way of viewing something, but there is also, OTHER, also valid, ways of viewing it.
I already went in depth about how that situation can be seen in a totally different way and how he actually had every motive to believe that using SS3 wasn’t the best idea and therefore abstained from risking a worse outcome. Again, you CAN disagree and have your own take on this, but you can’t use subjective interpretations when arguing facts, which is what we are doing now, and AFFIRM Goku acted irresponsibly when that’s not necessarily the case (and I truly don’t think that’s the case).

[dva_raza]

Vegeta attacked his own son and didn't care what Trunks said, how is that not evil. Trunks failed to kill Cell thanks to Vegeta interfering.
Vegeta didn't want to kill Cell himself and didn't want anyone to kill him.

It's not unforgivable. There are different levels to evil. As long as Vegeta isn't directly hurting anyone or causing destruction, then nobody's gonna get too worked up about it.

I agree that him attacking Trunks doesn't make him evil, it just makes him an asshole. I mean in the android arc he is still an antagonist and he acts like one. What makes him evil is betraying the people he has lived with for 7 years for a completely selfish reason and killing a bunch of innocent people to get his way.

[jjgp1112]

And that there is no “cake to have and eat too”, there is one situation that has all the most obvious, best results, hence no sense in choosing the option that’s damaging in every aspect.

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Again, you keep trying to poke holes in my logic to make me look like the dumb one here when all I'm doing is laying out my interpretation of Goku's faulty reasoning.

Of course Goku trying to have his cake and eat it too is stupid, makes no sense, and is damaging in every aspect. That's the entire meaning behind the analogy. The way I see things, Goku tried to pull the impossible task of both protecting Vegeta's ego without him feeling insulted when it made more sense to just squash him. The end. We can agree to disagree on whether that was the case, or if Goku's the type of guy that would make that decision, but you refuse to even think it's even a valid concept for "reasons" that can only make me conclude that the idea of somebody throwing a game to protect an opponent's ego is a completely foreign concept to you.

Again, my entire point here is that Goku's decision making didn't make sense. Take your issues with the logic up with the Goku that exists in my head.

[Zephyr]

I don’t understand the abstract separation you’re making.

That is abundantly clear at this point.

[Majin Buu]

you and many others get triggered at the mere suggestion of the fact that Goku also deserves blame for happened in the Buu saga.

Well, because that mere suggestion is inaccurate and I always get triggered when inaccurate things are being affirmed. Just that.

Eh, even if one were to concede that Goku wasn't at fault in the Majin Vegeta situation, there's yet another instance in the same arc where Goku not being as pragmatic as he could have been (and this by his own admission later to boot) more or less allowed worse things to happen later, so going back and fourth trying to prove he wasn't at fault with Vegeta seems a bit pointless to me.

[dva_raza]

And that there is no “cake to have and eat too”, there is one situation that has all the most obvious, best results, hence no sense in choosing the option that’s damaging in every aspect.

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Again, you keep trying to poke holes in my logic to make me look like the dumb one here when all I'm doing is laying out my interpretation of Goku's faulty reasoning.

Ok..I don't get this need in insisting I'm trying to have a gotcha moment or make you look dumb.
Get over this.
I don't care how anyone "looks" , I'm not trying to poke holes, I said your interpretation didn't make sense to me. You ask how, I explain. In which other way am I supposed to explain the point of a misunderstanding, or what would be acceptable for you?

We can agree to disagree on whether that was the case, or if Goku's the type of guy that would make that decision, but you refuse to even think it's even a valid concept for "reasons" that can only make me conclude that the idea of somebody throwing a game to protect an opponent's ego is a completely foreign concept to you

this habit to affirming things that are literally the opposite of what I said is getting crazy dude.
WHY would you say that when I have said SEVERAL TIMES your version or interpretation is VALID?

I said several times (to you and others), that I'm not claiming mine is the correct one.
There can't be a 'correct' interpretation about something that is left open for interpreting. What I said is:

as much as you have the right to view it differently, you don’t have the right to use YOUR headcanon to make factual determinations (in this case, to make the affirmation that Goku was being negligent and not simply being cautious, which is MY view).

That's the only relevant thing about this. That you are determining something that's not a fact.

make me conclude that the idea of somebody throwing a game to protect an opponent's ego is a completely foreign concept to you.

It's not a foreign concept. Just because I see no reason for him to do that doesn't mean I don't understand it. You're the one who seems unable to grasp that someone might actually want to do something even if the other person has no way of finding out if they don't.

Of course Goku trying to have his cake and eat it too is stupid, makes no sense, and is damaging in every aspect.

I said there is no cake to have and it too so I don't understand the "exactly" part. Exactly what? If one option is the best one, there is no appeal that you claim there is in the other one, given the circumstances. And I did expand on why and how I think that's the case here which, again, it doesn't seem like you even bothered reading lol so I don't know why argue against something you didn't hear.

Take your issues with the logic up with the Goku that exists in my head.

I thought I was doing exactly that..so..

Well, because that mere suggestion is inaccurate and I always get triggered when inaccurate things are being affirmed. Just that.

Eh, even if one were to concede that Goku wasn't at fault in the Majin Vegeta situation, there's yet another instance in the same arc where Goku not being as pragmatic as he could have been (and this by his own admission later to boot) more or less allowed worse things to happen later, so going back and fourth trying to prove he wasn't at fault with Vegeta seems a bit pointless to me.

Well what you're doing right now is the only reason the pointless argument even started. So it's funny you're actually creating yet ANOTHER derivative about how "goku is to blame" in like.. something, anything you could find! ..in a conversation about Vegeta's evil actions. As if finding moments in which other people messed up in any way had anything to do with that.

[Majin Buu]

Well what you're doing right now is the only reason the pointless argument even started.

In other words, paying attention to what's happening in the story and coming away with an interpretation based on those events.

The reason this "pointless argument" started is because you didn't like the interpretation other people came away with; and have since been responding with a bunch of mental gymnastics trying to spin what happened in the story into something that doesn't hold up to scrutiny, simply because you don't like the implications of what happened on the page.

So it's funny you're actually creating yet ANOTHER derivative about how "goku is to blame" in like.. something, anything you could find! ..in a conversation about Vegeta's evil actions. As if finding moments in which other people messed up in any way had anything to do with that.

Dude, most of the thread has been dominated by this tangent. A tangent you started because you didn't like people saying Goku shared some responsibility for the Buu arc happening. Complaining about other people being off-topic is hollow coming from you (especially since it feels like you're only doing so in response to me pointing out how arbitrary your argument is).

[dva_raza]

Um..what?
I'm not complaining about anybody going "off topic".
I'm genuinely responding to you, that what you are doing right now (finding ways in which other people messed up in any way when talking about Vegeta's evil actions) is what's pointless, it IS what you are doing, and IT IS what was being done.
And it's what I responded to initially. And no? Wtf. I didn't go to a tangent. It had been started with Koitsukai.

Also lol "mental gymnastics"

I'm saying the interpretation people are making doesn't give them the right to affirm Goku was being negligent.
That has been the main point in practically every post of mine.
What is the mental gymnastic exactly?

[Majin Buu]

And it's what I responded to initially. And no? Wtf. I didn't go to a tangent. It had been started with Koitsukai.

Koitsukai made a comment that you challenged him on, because he apparently doesn't have the right to view Goku as being culpable in any way. You're the one that turned that comment into a big debate.

I'm saying the interpretation people are making doesn't give them the right to affirm Goku was being negligent.

Like I said, this boils down to you simply not liking the interpretation other people (and from what I can tell, most other people) came away with.

[dva_raza]

Ugh dude is there like.. a point to your posts right now other than fueling that same worn out tangent?
I mean your comments come off as some sort of complaint that I either disagreed with something or that I didn’t concede along the way because “hey not fair we were a lotta people against you and you were supposed to”

Koitsukai made a comment that you challenged him on, because he apparently doesn't have the right to view Goku as being culpable in any way. You're the one that turned that comment into a big debate.

Someone creating a tangent and me responding to it means I’m to blame for the tangent?
That's kinda the goku is to blame logic all over. Sure Koitsukai should have the right to challenge the op’s points by affirming his take and diverting the actual question of the topic but if I respond to that that’s suddenly wrong. Why? Oh what because it’s a minority opinion? Same reason why you refer to anything anybody says as a "comment" or an "interpretation", but whatever I’ve said is “mental gymnastics” .
I didn’t “challenge” nor turned that comment into a big debate btw, I canceled his tangent and the absurd point with it, in two lines.
What triggered the debate was, days and posts later, someone saying this:

“I think Goku is 80% to blame for Majin Buu. Think about it..he was there. But hey I’m not blaming Goku about anything”

Lol contradictory on top of baffling.
And yeah, I replied the few things I find wrong with that (none of which have been refuted as of now)...so?

I'm saying the interpretation people are making doesn't give them the right to affirm Goku was being negligent.

Like I said, this boils down to you simply not liking the interpretation other people (and from what I can tell, most other people) came away with.

No this boils down to: people don’t have the right to use interpretations to affirm Goku was being negligent.

Just that. Stop projecting extra stuff. I don’t see what liking/disliking has to do with anything. Nothing I’ve said on this topic has to do with my personal feelings towards the characters and the first comment of mine that you replied to made that clear, I think

[PurestEvil]

Someone creating a tangent and me responding to it means I’m to blame for the tangent?

No, it means you contributed in turning that tangent into a hot-topic debate.

But I admit you are right about this argument with Majin Buu being a spitting image of the Goku vs Majin Buu situation

[Majin Buu]

No, it means you contributed in turning that tangent into a hot-topic debate.

This.

But I admit you are right about this argument with Majin Buu being a spitting image of the Goku vs Majin Buu situation

I didn't intend to start my own back and forth with him, nor do I intend to continue it; I just posted what I thought about his stance and he responded with what I consider a hypocritical statement, so I responded to that.

[jjgp1112]

No this boils down to: people don’t have the right to use interpretations to affirm Goku was being negligent.

Well that's a pretty arbitrary rule, don't you think? By that same logic, you have no right to use interpretations to affirm Goku was trying to be responsible, either!

What we do know is that Vegeta claimed Goku was mocking him by hiding the Super Saiyan 3 transformation, Goku slumping his shoulders and claiming he was saving it for something worse because of the time constraints (which doesn't hold up to scrutiny even a little bit), and Vegeta calling bullshit.

You can interpret that any way you want, but how you interpret that completely changes the nature of Goku's decision to indulge Vegeta instead of crush him.

And the text doesn't exactly help Goku when he first claims he IS going to finish things quickly to prevent Buu's revival, realizes Vegeta's new strength would make things tougher and then...doesn't do the thing that would've ended things quickly and prevent Buu's revival. And hell, given that we now know he had Super Saiyan 3, he was already bullshitting about trying to finish things ASAP to begin with.

Goku said he was saving SSJ3 for an emergency. Well shit, Vegeta turning on everybody and Buu's looming revival would sure as shit qualify as the emergency, since the latter is what they've been trying to stop. And the further you try to rationalize Goku's actions into something not negligent, the more you have to match Buu's elastic arms in reaching ability. There was no reason at all to think that there was a danger beyond Buu lurking - the only two things he had gotten wrong was Dabura being one of Babidi's minions and underestimating the Saiyans' ability to handle him. Again, Babidi possessing Vegeta WAS the big surprise emergency. And claiming that THIS guy



would even think THIS guy






was going to stop him from going Super Saiyan 3 is just, well....it's a stretch that would impress Piccolo, Buu, and Mr. Fantastic.

[MasenkoHA]

Yeah...we either have to assume Toriyama was pulling Super Saiyan 3 out of his ass in the same chapter he introduced it in OR Goku held back to get a good fight out of Vegeta OR deliberately allowed Boo to be released to see how strong he was.

[Zephyr]

Yeah...we either have to assume Toriyama was pulling Super Saiyan 3 out of his ass in the same chapter he introduced it in OR Goku held back to get a good fight out of Vegeta OR deliberately allowed Boo to be released to see how strong he was.

We could also just ask Goku what he thinks:


Absolutely wild that the guy who had this look on his face during their fight would find himself partly responsible:

[goku the krump dancer]

@Zephyr

Exactly, in my mind it always played out that Goku and Vegeta underestimated the type of threat Boo would turn out to be because everyone of the enemies they came up against at Kaioshin's behest turned out to be nothing more than fodder, including Dabura despite Gohan struggling with him, so in a way I guess they both (Goku and Vegeta) figured "eh, what the hell, how bad could it be" before they started to fight.

But I guess knowing this, turns Vegeta's point about the people of Earth "saving themselves for once" on its ass, since Boo being awaked was his and Goku's fault not the Earthlings'. So maybe they should've just taken some accountability and used those Potara to beat Boo together and correct the mistake THEY MADE huh, who'da thunk it.

[MyVisionity]

But I guess knowing this, turns Vegeta's point about the people of Earth "saving themselves for once" on its ass, since Boo being awaked was his and Goku's fault not the Earthlings'. So maybe they should've just taken some accountability and used those Potara to beat Boo together and correct the mistake THEY MADE huh, who'da thunk it.

It doesn't matter who's fault it was. The point is that the Earthlings save themselves for once, instead of being saved. It's their planet.