The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Thani]

Makkari (from MCU)

VS

Dyspo

Who wins?

Makkari the Eternal really can't compete with Dyspo. She would need to at least reach lightspeed to be considered competitive!

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think the only CBM speedster that can even keep up with Dyspo is Snyder Cut Flash. Maybe CW Flash, but I haven’t watched his show since 2015.

[Drepanosaurus]

Who would win in a race? Mr. Satan or Usain Bolt?

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

Who would win in a race? Mr. Satan or Usain Bolt?

Honestly, I'd have to give it to Mr. Satan, considering how much stronger he is than your average human.

[Thani]

Who would win in a race? Mr. Satan or Usain Bolt?

Honestly, I'd have to give it to Mr. Satan, considering how much stronger he is than your average human.

But then again, outside of fighting he never seems particularly fast. Not as he's strong, anyway. I'd wager on Usain, imo.

[Noah]

New matches:

- Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Jiren

- Ultra Instinct Goku & Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Beerus (unseen full power)

- Current Vegetto (can use all/combine forms plus Kaioken) vs. Whis

[Koitsukai]

New matches:

- Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Jiren

- Ultra Instinct Goku & Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Beerus (unseen full power)

- Current Vegetto (can use all/combine forms plus Kaioken) vs. Whis

1- Vegeta destroys Jiren. He pushed the strongest in the universe into breaking his limits and even then he was still more than a decent match. Jiren has been surpassed a long time ago, previous arc characters(previous iterations, at least) are fodder to the current Top 4.

2- They should win, right? if in RoF, their teamwork was supposed to be able to take him down, by now they should definitely take it, if the teamwork thing still applies. I would bet on them.
Goku after "knowing himself" should be able to fight Beerus' unseen power on his own, but who knows anymore with Beerus?

3- He should still be no match for a suppressed Whis.

[ZombieVito]

New matches:

- Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Jiren

- Ultra Instinct Goku & Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Beerus (unseen full power)

- Current Vegetto (can use all/combine forms plus Kaioken) vs. Whis

Vegeta already surpassed Jiren without Ego since Whis confirmed that he and Goku are stronger than Broly.
We have no idea how Beerus compares to UI and UE. I say Beerus still wins.
Whis. Angels seem way to strong at the moment.

[Thani]

New matches:

- Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Jiren

- Ultra Instinct Goku & Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Beerus (unseen full power)

- Current Vegetto (can use all/combine forms plus Kaioken) vs. Whis

Close fight. Vegeta doesn't have the innate advantages of Ultra Instinct, so he's not instantly dodging every single attack. But because of the power boost of the form and it's own way of fighting, he probably eventually wins.

UI Goku and UE Vegeta should take this. Individually they both should have a legitimate chance of beating Beerus.

Vegito or Gogeta using both "super" godly forms and stacking it with Kaioken would probably only work on the realm of fanfiction. But. He would probably be on Whis' level, I imagine.

[Lionel]

Kaioken x20 Tien (Cell Games) vs SSJ1 Vegeta (Early Android saga)

Anime Hit (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu (Manga, no immortality)

Base Gogeta (DBS Broly) vs SSBKKx20 Goku (ToP Hour Special)

Base Gotenks (after training in the ROSAT) vs 1 Cell Jr.

SSJ1 Vegito (Buu saga) vs SSJ1 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc)

1. Make it the Kaioken amplifier from the Lord Slug movie and Tenshinhan can win. I believe he could have reached the same realm as the base Saiyans from the Android arc at this time though he wouldn't be their superior. By my personal estimates, Tenshinhan couldn't even defeat Freeza or SSJ Goku from the Namek arc. BOG era may be the earliest I could see Tenshinhan with the Kaioken x20 potentially being able to defeat this iteration of Vegeta.

2. We don't exactly know the progression and exchange rates for the blue Kaioken amalgamation multiplied by 10 used against Hit in the anime compared to the manga exclusive completed blue form that allowed Goku to challenge Merged Zamasu on equal footing. I want to say that it wouldn't be enough but with anime Hit's knack for improving on the fly, he may soon reach a point where he can properly oppose Zamasu. If the battle is concluded earlier on then Zamasu would likely win.

3. Wasn't this Gogeta capable of avoiding and parrying ki projectiles from a furious Super Saiyan Broly? How odd it is that after transforming he wasn't squashing Broly's neck like the plucked stem of a crop à la Gero with the civilian's neck and head. I take it the notorious 'auto improvement' perk covered the discrepancy that should have existed there within the span of seconds during his getting pummelled by the fused fighter.

I don't know. I read something about blue Goku and Vegeta's collaboration allowing them to bear the brunt of initial transformed Broly's onslaught. How much stronger are those two supposed to be relative to the climax of the Tournament of Power? What's the overlapping condition of those two arcs? If we're making assessments based off the rate of improvement from training combined with the Kaioken usage relative to Gogeta's performance against the same opponent then I suppose Goku would win?

4. Two important schools of thought here. You can go for a more grounded, less absurdedly inflationary estimate that sees base Gotenks quantified somewhere maybe in the neighbourhood of the Android to Cell Games era power. The second interpretation would be to accept the admissions from Piccolo of Gotenks' superiority to Fat Buu before the fused child even transformed which, if considering the previously established multipliers for transformations and presumed confidence of SSJ Gotenks defeating Fat Buu prior to training, would connote to an incredibly large growth in power. But this is nothing new in Dragon Ball Z.

I'll go ahead and say that Gotenks could win this match easily.

5. Wasn't a charged Kamehameha from a serious base Goku in the Baby saga able to rend apart the Sugoroku Space? Now admittedly I question how far flung that dimension was relative to the ROSAT which has a distorted flow of time. It could likely count as being more significant than SSJ3 Goku from the Buu arc emitting a readable ki signature all the way to the Kaioshin planet.

Like so many things GT is all over the place. Super Saiyan Vegeta and Uub (fused with Buu) couldn't sufficiently oppose Super 17 yet Goku is able to accomplish that at first with SSJ. I'll just go ahead and give it to Goku because of power inflation being a rule of thumb; this is, I believe, 16 years after the original inception of Vegetto so it's a long time for Goku to surpass him.

New matches:

- Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Jiren

- Ultra Instinct Goku & Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Beerus (unseen full power)

- Current Vegetto (can use all/combine forms plus Kaioken) vs. Whis

1. Wasn't white haired Goku successfully challenging Jiren at full power in the same arc? I don't see why Vegeta from two arcs later couldn't taken this handily using a form that's presumably comparable in strength to Ultra Instinct.

2. Don't know. Beerus is an ever shifting goalpost who has continually remained unattainable for Goku and Vegeta. The Hakaishin wasn't exactly breaking a sweat against Vegeta's evolved blue form. Why would Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego be any different at this time?

3. Another unknown. Based on personal assumption, I see Whis at least going to the trouble of concentrating on Goku with an occasional furrowed brow as his opponent tries to land an attack. Take whatever extreme multipliers are granted through fusion then elevate that with some insane white haired mode combined with Kaioken and Vegetto might just be able to win or at least match Whis.

[Peach]

New matches:

- Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Jiren

- Ultra Instinct Goku & Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Beerus (unseen full power)

- Current Vegetto (can use all/combine forms plus Kaioken) vs. Whis

Close fight, with Vegeta coming out on top.

Beerus, because they can't hold their power for very long yet.

Whis. Again, they have a time limit. And we haven't seen the full extent of Whis' power.

[ZombieVito]

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

[Lionel]

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

Paragus received a zenkai from his attempted execution at the hands of King Vegeta, right? I think he was considered to be of superior rank than Bardock. If you believe his zenkai was more substantial than Goku's father's then I assume Paragus would be the victor here simply on the basis of having greater strength.

[ZombieVito]

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

Paragus received a zenkai from his attempted execution at the hands of King Vegeta, right? I think he was considered to be of superior rank than Bardock. If you believe his zenkai was more substantial than Goku's father's then I assume Paragus would be the victor here simply on the basis of having greater strength.

King Vegeta never attacked Paragus. Paragus left to find Broly on Vampa.

[Lionel]

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

Paragus received a zenkai from his attempted execution at the hands of King Vegeta, right? I think he was considered to be of superior rank than Bardock. If you believe his zenkai was more substantial than Goku's father's then I assume Paragus would be the victor here simply on the basis of having greater strength.

King Vegeta never attacked Paragus. Paragus left to find Broly on Vampa.

You're referring to the re imagined Paragus in Super? I was looking at the old movie rendition.

[ZombieVito]

You're referring to the re imagined Paragus in Super? I was looking at the old movie rendition.

I guess I should have specified it, yeah I'm referring to the canon Bardock and Paragus.

[Thani]

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

I'll go the extra mile and judge both versions!

Round 1: Z Bardock and Z Movie Paragus.

Ok, this should be simple. On Bardock's special, he was stated to be getting close to King Vegeta himself in power, so despite being low class he was actually capable of challenging the elite warriors of Planet Vegeta. Despite literal years having passed since then, Paragus was never shown to be a fighter, despite not being low-class. So, Bardock should win this with little difficulty.

Round 1: Super Bardock and Super Paragus.

This is trickier. Iirc, Paragus was considered either an elite-class or a mid-class saiyan, since he was regarded as a Commander of sorts. Bardock, despite being close to a mid-class warrior in raw power, was not there yet. And Paragus was a capable trainer, at least, since he trained Broly on Vampa and also had to survive there.

So before Vampa, I think it would be a close match - Bardock's battle experience could even allow him to overcome the stronger Paragus. But AFTER Vampa? If Paragus is not too old to fight, he should handle Bardock quite well, I'd think.

[Peach]

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

In Z, Paragus for sure.

In Super? It's difficult to say. We don't know how Bardock won against Gas in the past.

[Koitsukai]

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

I'm tackling both Paraguses and Bardocks.

1) Z Bardock vs Z Paragus
Bardock stomps, surviving Dodoria's attack and all. Z movie Paragus probably had endured enough zenkais to be on a post-Ginyu arc level of power. But when they had a planet, he shouldn't be on that level. Only Broly was as strong.

2) Z Bardock vs DBS Paragus
Bardock should still be above him. Probably Paragus didn't get much stronger after raising Broly, who wasn't as aggressive as Z Broly, and had him train with Baa. Not as strong as Z Paragus, at least. So before all of that, he shouldn't even be close to Bardock.

3) DBS Bardock vs Z Paragus
Paragus, probably. He survived an attack from the King, who should be stronger than Gas. Toei had a stronger Bardock, so probably Paragus was also stronger than his DBS iteration.

4) DBS B vs DBS P
I think this one would be the closest fight. I would give it to Paragus but we don't know yet what did Bardock have up his sleeve vs Gas. We know he has defeated a stronger warrior than himself(and probably than Paragus), we don't know how much stronger Gas was, or how he did it. If he took advantage of a weakness Gas' had or if he actually overpowered him.
Before knowing how he won that fight, I'm going with Bardock, just because he defeated somebody above him, which is something not many can do. The new chapter should prove me right or wrong.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Kaioken x20 Tien (Cell Games) vs SSJ1 Vegeta (Early Android saga)

Anime Hit (ToP) vs Merged Zamasu (Manga, no immortality)

Base Gogeta (DBS Broly) vs SSBKKx20 Goku (ToP Hour Special)

Base Gotenks (after training in the ROSAT) vs 1 Cell Jr.

SSJ1 Vegito (Buu saga) vs SSJ1 Goku (Shadow Dragon arc)

Definitely Vegeta. Cell Games Tenshinhan is same as Android Saga Tenshinhan, who was weaker than Base Vegeta. Not even Kaio-Ken x50 would help him here.

Hit without a doubt. Even if we ignore the Manga not having as impressive destruction feats, Hit’s assassin techniques would murder Zamasu in a second.

Probably Gogeta, but I’m not sure. All he does is run from SSJ Broly, and I’m not sure if Base Fusion > FP Fusers counts Kaio-Ken.

Gotenks should even Pre Rosat if we apply Base Fusion > FP Fusers principle.

Goku won’t even need to transform. He was probably on pair with Vegetto as early as M2, and is multiple times stronger by the end of the series.

Who would win in a race? Mr. Satan or Usain Bolt?

Definitely Usain Bolt. Akira Toriyama has already said (albeit jokingly) that Bob Sapp can beat Satan, so I’d say he really isn’t peak human unless we consider the anime were he blitzes the thugs who shoot him later. I think Satan even got tired from running some yards up the mountain to fight the thugs.

New matches:

- Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Jiren

- Ultra Instinct Goku & Ultra Ego Vegeta vs. Beerus (unseen full power)

- Current Vegetto (can use all/combine forms plus Kaioken) vs. Whis

Vegeta can win with at least SSJBE by this point. Whis said he didn’t know anyone stronger than Goku or Vegeta by the start of the Granolah Saga.

Probably the duo, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Beerus can take both of them easily.

Whis should still win.

Bardock vs Paragus.

Both right before the destruction of planet Vegeta.

I’m going with Paragus, though I think the manga might correct me anytime soon. Bardock was just a really strong low class, while Paragus got up to middle class at least. He even had the title of Commander or Colonel IIRC.

Since everybody is talking about the Z versions, Bardock should obliterate Paragus there.