Dragon Ball Z, Vol. 1 (VIZBIG Edition) Information + Vol 2.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

The word "genie" has a certain connotation to it in America. Think "Aladdin."

[Captain Awesome]

The word "genie" has a certain connotation to it in America. Think "Aladdin."

Hell, "Dark Genie" then.

It was stupid to call Boo a "Djinn" because if they were going to go to the effort to explain what the word meant, they should have done what they have been doing and explained what the original Japanese word meant, instead of translating it into a language other than English, THEN telling us what it means.

I'm still yet to see a sound argument for that "translation".

[SSJ Helldog]

I'm so familiar with the word "Djinn" that I didn't bat an eye at that translation. It's like arguing that you shouldn't use the word "rendezvous" when you could just say "date." I agree with Chibi Mystic Gohan. Calling him an "evil genie" would have seemed silly, considering that American folklore has very little in the way of genie stories, and said genies are typically treated as plot devices.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

I'm so familiar with the word "Djinn" that I didn't bat an eye at that translation.

That's how it was with me. I was surprised that some people hadn't even heard the word...

and said genies are typically treated as plot devices.

That too, but I was talking about how most Americans think of the genie from Aladdin, who comes from a lamp to grant wishes and is there mostly for comic relief.

[Captain Awesome]

It's like arguing that you shouldn't use the word "rendezvous" when you could just say "date."

For that to be true, the word "Djinn" would have to be used in daily English vernacular, which it simply isn't.

I agree with Chibi Mystic Gohan. Calling him an "evil genie" would have seemed silly, considering that American folklore has very little in the way of genie stories, and said genies are typically treated as plot devices.

And how is calling him more or less the same thing in another language sensible?, the point is, in a myriad of other instances, Viz have left the Japanese word in, and given us a translation of it in the borders of the page, but in this case, they replaced the Japanese word, with an Arabic word, and then gave people the translation, Which makes absolutely no sense concerning they laid the groundwork by translating the names Gyumao and Daimao.

Just because your familiar with the word, doesn't legitimize Viz's decision.

Thats like renaming the Manga to "Winged lizard spheres", because you know what the words mean, it must be appropriate right?

[Big Momma]

Some things are like that. Remember the Toonami broadcast had no issues of showing little Goku and Krillin's naked butts but had issues with showing Ran Fan in lingerie.

That may be because Goku and Kuririn's butts were shown for a more "little kid funny" effect like a toilet joke, where as Ran Fan in lingerie was more of an "mature funny" kind of thing.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

Cartoon Network showed Yamchas "Boobie Eyes", nipples and all.

[Big Momma]

Cartoon Network showed Yamchas "Boobie Eyes", nipples and all.

...Wha-?
"Boobie eyes"? ...I've never heard of such a thing.(But then I again, I haven't watched much Dragonball.)

[The Time Traveller]

Cartoon Network showed Yamchas "Boobie Eyes", nipples and all.

I had to double check when I saw that in the manga to be honest, maybe they didn't notice it.

[SSJ Helldog]

Thats like renaming the Manga to "Winged lizard spheres", because you know what the words mean, it must be appropriate right?

Personally, if the translation of the word Manga actually was "Winged lizard spheres," then yes, I'd prefer that. I prefer Evil Genie to Majin. Why translate something and leave the important bits untranslated? I was reading One Piece earlier today and all of the fighting move names had been left untranslated, with the translations printed in the margins. It took me out of the moment to compare the two. Anybody have an explaination as to why that's done?

[Velasa]

Because the name of the attack is a proper name.

We don't call Gohan 'Dinner' here, because Gohan is a proper name. as is Makkensapo or Kamehameha or whatever they have in One-Piece.

[ect5150]

Because the name of the attack is a proper name.

We don't call Gohan 'Dinner' here, because Gohan is a proper name. as is Makkensapo or Kamehameha or whatever they have in One-Piece.

I agree, but why is it Shunkan-ido (Instantaneous Movement) is the exception?

[Herms]

It's like arguing that you shouldn't use the word "rendezvous" when you could just say "date."

For that to be true, the word "Djinn" would have to be used in daily English vernacular, which it simply isn't.

It may not be in the daily vernacular, but the word "jinn" is in Webster's Dictionary of the English Language, so I'd say it counts as an English word, though of foreign origin (like countless other English words, including "genie", which is actually Latin). In my Webster's College Dictionary, the definition of "genie" is simply "jinn".

Anyway, the association in Japanese between majin and "djinn/jinn" is pretty strong. The jinn(s) from the story of Aladdin is often called a majin. If you go to the Japanese Wikipedia page for majin, it lists the jinns of Arabiac mythology as examples. In the Japanese version of the Disney movie, Robin William's character is called the "majin of the lamp", and is sometimes even refered to as "Majin Genie" (the Japanese version seems to use "Genie" as his proper name, and majin for what he actually is).

Personally, if the translation of the word Manga actually was "Winged lizard spheres," then yes, I'd prefer that. I prefer Evil Genie to Majin. Why translate something and leave the important bits untranslated? I was reading One Piece earlier today and all of the fighting move names had been left untranslated, with the translations printed in the margins. It took me out of the moment to compare the two. Anybody have an explaination as to why that's done?

With "winged lizard sphere", I'm pretty sure Captain Awsome meant if they translated the title of the manga, "DragonBall", to "winged lizard sphere". "DragonBall" does sort of come out to that, but since the title is already in English the analogy breaks down.

With the attack names for One Piece, Oda names his attacks in many different languages, including Japanese, English, French, and Spanish. Translating all of these different languages into English would erase the distinction between them, so I'd assume that's why Viz leaves them as is. But the attack names are always written out in kanji with the foreign pronounciation written in furigana above, so that Japanese readers will still know what the attack name means. Having the attack names left untranslated in the manga panel but with translations in the margins is probably the nearest equivalent to that we have in English.

I agree, but why is it Shunkan-ido (Instantaneous Movement) is the exception?

Shunkanidou is the actual Japanese word for teleportation, so Viz probably didn't consider it a proper noun.

[Captain Awesome]

With "winged lizard sphere", I'm pretty sure Captain Awsome meant if they translated the title of the manga, "DragonBall", to "winged lizard sphere". "DragonBall" does sort of come out to that, but since the title is already in English the analogy breaks down.

Heh, I was just being snarky, not trying to prove an actual point with that.

Thanks for breaking the whole thing down Herms, I understand a little more about the correlation between the two words, I hate the translation because it still feels unnecessary, especially when I flip through my Vizbig volumes and see "Gyumao" and "Daimao".

I hope they revert to back to "Majin Boo" and "Vegetto" when the Vizbig releases eventually get there, but I wont hold my breath.

[SSJ Helldog]

Oh! Winged Lizard Sphere! I get it now. Dunno how that one got past me. And come to think of it, the whole thing with the OP characters' move names makes sense, too. Yay! I learned something!

[omegacwa]

Well, anyway, I finally got a look at one of these in person the other day, and I have to say the print quality is better, and the price is cheaper than buying three volumes separately, but with the edits and what forth, I just don't know If I want to spend my money on it. I guess I could just wait for those "Hard Bound Collectors Editions" and see if those are any better.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

I wonder if the print quality is the same as the Kanzanban version? The Kanzenban has this beautiful jet black ink...

Scans can't completely do it justice, but compare this Kanzenban scene to its VIZ counterpart:

[SSj_Rambo]

Do both the Kanzenban and the VizBig's use the same paper? That could play a part in how the color looks, and can you post some comparisons of the color pages, please!

[Karrit]

Well... I'd say it'd still be the VizBig in overall quality. Better paper, bigger format, more content for the price, and SOME color chapters. I'll probably go with those (might still pick up DB #1 anway) if the Collector's Editions don't turn out any better. If you're super-concerned with editing, the completed, regular tankobons are probably a better choice. They're gonna be putting out those entire boxes of them sometime soon.

Do you mean the original Japanese tankobons or Vis translated?