What is the required power level in destroying a planet?

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:22 am

Toriyama Boss wrote:
Xyex wrote:
No, it couldn't. There's far more mass to the Earth and the Earth is also denser. Saying Roshi's Kamehameha would have any noticeable effect on the Earth as a whole just because it took out the moon is like saying that an explosive able to blow up a wet paper bag is strong enough to do noticeable damage to a solid steel box just because it took out the bag.
Dude it don't matter, I said forget that..DBZ can easily sweep away planets and more so please don't sit here and argue about Roshi not being able to destroy a planet with a battle power little over 300 in the start of Dragonball.

BTW, Roshi VAPORIZED the moon, that's more energy than just DESTROYING the moon.

VAPORIZED the moon? Is that statement accurate on its raw manga or just a fantranslation?

I wonder what will EndlessMike (anti-dbz) say about this.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:18 am

ect5150 wrote:I have to agree with Toriyama Boss. If Freeza can damage the core of Namek to destroy it "5 minutes later," I can't see how Roshi's Kamehame-Ha taking out the moon wouldn't have a similar effect for the Earth's core.

The Earth's core is a slug of iron twice as large as the Moon in diameter and much, much denser and more massive.

The Moon is a rock, the same as the rocks on the Earth's surface, and does not have any iron.

Last time this topic came up, didn't someone crunch some numbers that were surprisingly close to Vegeta's 18,000 by multiplying Muten Roshi's battle power by the size difference between the Moon and the Earth?

What up, it was me. To repost: Roshi's power level was about 130. The Earth is 100 times more massive than the Moon. 130 times 100 is 13,000.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:46 am

His power would have been a lot higher when he used that Kamehameha, considering that Goku's power shot up from 416 to 924 when he charged a Kamehameha against Raditz.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:27 am

If i remember, Dabura

and Babidi were talking I think about the power of goku and his gang and said that at least 300 is needed to destroy a planet.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:06 pm

Nick wrote:If i remember, Dabura and Babidi were talking I think about the power of goku and his gang and said that at least 300 is needed to destroy a planet.

They were talking in terms of a different measurement system. Kili or Kiri I believe.

They throw some other figures out there, so maybe someone can look them up.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:11 pm

Roshi at full power has to be much greater than 130. 130 was just for him standing around doing nothing.

Even if ROshi could not destroy the planet. He could certainly damage it very very badly.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:28 am

Roshi's Kamehameha would have exceeded 130 but it would have been less than 200 or it would have had some effect against Old Piccolo. I'd say maybe 180 at best. Which also coincides with Rocketman's point. 180 x 100 = 18,000 = Vegeta's power level.

Even if ROshi could not destroy the planet. He could certainly damage it very very badly.

Considering he was shocked that he wiped out the Ox King's mountain, I highly highly highly doubt he could do more than just pock mark the planet. Let's not forget that King Piccolo had to use multiple energy blasts to take out a single city. I'd say, at the very least, a power of 10,000 is needed to take out an Earth sized planet. Larger planets would need more energy and smaller ones less. And destablizing the core as opposed to out right vaporization would also be easier and take less power as well.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:45 am

Xyex wrote:Roshi's Kamehameha would have exceeded 130 but it would have been less than 200 or it would have had some effect against Old Piccolo. I'd say maybe 180 at best. Which also coincides with Rocketman's point. 180 x 100 = 18,000 = Vegeta's power level.

First off, it's 139.

Also, Roshi never used the Kamehame-Ha against Piccolo, we don't know what kind of damage his maximum version would've done. We know Goku gave him a full-force Kamehame-Ha in their first battle that did nothing, rather that was powerful enough to destroy the moon, we don't know. But when Roshi used Mafuba/Evil-Containment-Wave, it was enough to completely envelop Daimao and had he been prepped and practiced to use the technique, most likely wouldn't have missed the jar.

Toriyama Boss · Post by **Toriyama Boss** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:51 am

goodguy777 wrote:
Toriyama Boss wrote:
Xyex wrote: Dude it don't matter, I said forget that..DBZ can easily sweep away planets and more so please don't sit here and argue about Roshi not being able to destroy a planet with a battle power little over 300 in the start of Dragonball.

BTW, Roshi VAPORIZED the moon, that's more energy than just DESTROYING the moon.
VAPORIZED the moon? Is that statement accurate on its raw manga or just a fantranslation?

I wonder what will EndlessMike (anti-dbz) say about this.

Yep, it was stated that Roshi "PULVERIZED" the moon.

goodguy777 · Post by **goodguy777** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:51 am

Xyex wrote:Roshi's Kamehameha would have exceeded 130 but it would have been less than 200 or it would have had some effect against Old Piccolo. I'd say maybe 180 at best. Which also coincides with Rocketman's point. 180 x 100 = 18,000 = Vegeta's power level.

Even if ROshi could not destroy the planet. He could certainly damage it very very badly.
Considering he was shocked that he wiped out the Ox King's mountain, I highly highly highly doubt he could do more than just pock mark the planet. Let's not forget that King Piccolo had to use multiple energy blasts to take out a single city. I'd say, at the very least, a power of 10,000 is needed to take out an Earth sized planet. Larger planets would need more energy and smaller ones less. And destablizing the core as opposed to out right vaporization would also be easier and take less power as well.

King Piccolo didn't use a multiple energy blasts to take out a city, its a single energy shot

Conan the SSJ wrote:
Xyex wrote:Roshi's Kamehameha would have exceeded 130 but it would have been less than 200 or it would have had some effect against Old Piccolo. I'd say maybe 180 at best. Which also coincides with Rocketman's point. 180 x 100 = 18,000 = Vegeta's power level.
First off, it's 139.

Also, Roshi never used the Kamehame-Ha against Piccolo, we don't know what kind of damage his maximum version would've done. We know Goku gave him a full-force Kamehame-Ha in their first battle that did nothing, rather that was powerful enough to destroy the moon, we don't know. But when Roshi used Mafuba/Evil-Containment-Wave, it was enough to completely envelop Daimao and had he been prepped and practiced to use the technique, most likely wouldn't have missed the jar.

Goku's chi is stronger than Roshi's chi, therefore Goku's full-force kame hame ha is stronger than Roshi's moon buster-kame hame ha.

mrkaizoku · Post by **mrkaizoku** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:43 pm

goodguy777 wrote:King Piccolo didn't use a multiple energy blasts to take out a city, its a single energy shot

Plus Piccolo's goal wasn't to destroy the earth it was to destroy the cities. I'm not saying that he has the power to destroy the earth, but that he wasn't trying to destroy the earth.

Shenron · Post by **Shenron** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:09 pm

Considering he was shocked that he wiped out the Ox King's mountain, I highly highly highly doubt he could do more than just pock mark the planet.

Roshi knew he would be able to destroy the Moon, there is no doubt about this. I think he's been surprised when he destroyed the mountain because he hadn't put too much power in his Kamehameha.

The question is : is it more difficult to destroy something if it is far away ? Does ki dissipate in space ?

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:18 pm

mrkaizoku wrote:Plus Piccolo's goal wasn't to destroy the earth it was to destroy the cities. I'm not saying that he has the power to destroy the earth, but that he wasn't trying to destroy the earth.

Yeah, he wanted to rule the Earth... good luck ruling a pile of space debris when you can't even breathe in space :p

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:50 pm

Shenron wrote:The question is : is it more difficult to destroy something if it is far away ? Does ki dissipate in space ?

It probably does, but the Moon is really close in space terms.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:11 am

Shenron wrote:The question is : is it more difficult to destroy something if it is far away ? Does ki dissipate in space ?

I get the feeling hitting something that is far away would be more difficult than something nearby... but size also comes into play, and all of that...
But I'm not sure if difficulty translates to more power. It all depends on how ki attacks work, and that's a crazy topic in itself...
I'd imagine that the question of ki in space depends entirely on how it's used, but ... Eh.