How strong was Tien post King Kai?

[USSJed]

Yo doggs, I am currently in the middle of trying to prove that Tien exceeded 1,000,000 in Dragon Ball Z. I know he did by the Buu Saga, but I want to prove he did by the Kikoho against Cell. To that end, I am asking these questions on three forums (myfavouritegames, Neoseeker, Daizex), please take the time to answer them.

Ok, question One. How strong was Tien post King Kai.

In comparison to Goku's increase of x19.23 in 158 days...

Tien Trained Longer (270 days)
Tien said he would train harder than Goku
Tien had Yamcha and Chaotzu as training partners
He did not waste time with Spirit Bomb Training, which would not increase his power level

However...

Tien is Human, so would increase slower than a Saiyan
Goku did Kaoken Training, which would possibly raise Power level faster than regular training
Adjusting to gravity could account for much of Goku's increase, meaning Tien's increase, although larger than Goku's, would not be that much larger.
Like Kami and Roshi, King Kai might have a limit as to how much he can increase someones power, although we have no idea how high that limit is.



Question Two. How fast can Tien increase his Power Level by training on Earth?

I have set it to a mere 1.5x per year, and even from this I have all but proved he reached 1,000,000 by the Buu Saga. But what do you think?

Alright, thanks for reading this. I will post up the results of my enquiry on each of the three forums soon.

[Xyex]

Yo doggs, I am currently in the middle of trying to prove that Tenshinhan exceeded 1,000,000 in Dragon Ball Z.

You can't.

I know he did by the Buu Saga, but I want to prove he did by the Kikoho against Cell.

He didn't.

I have set it to a mere 1.5x per year, and even from this I have all but proved he reached 1,000,000 by the Buu Saga. But what do you think?

'Set increases' like that do not work and do not happen. Otherwise Tien would have been at almost 7,000 when he fought Nappa. And he wasn't.

And at best Tien hit somewhere in the low hundred thousands by the end of the series. Somewhere around Ginyu's level.

[Captain Awesome]

I agree with Xyex, I always figured Tenshinhan being around Ginyu's level by the end of Z.

As for his Kikoho against Cell, it's a technique that drains his actual life force to use, so you can't estimate his strength based on that attack.

Sorry but nothing you've said really proves anything.

[Rocketman]

I really doubt that the humans even break 50,000, much less get anywhere near one million.

[SSj_Rambo]

...trying to prove that Tenshinhan exceeded 1,000,000 in Dragon Ball Z. I know he did by the Buu Saga...

I doubt that Tien increased his power level (or even maintained it) during the seven years after the Cell Saga and the Buu saga since there was no threat to him or the earth and he knew that no matter how hard he trained he would be of no help to others on a large scale compared to what Vegeta, Goku, Gohan could. I do like to think that he did continue to train and maybe even get a little stronger, but not by much.

Ok, question One. How strong was Tenshinhan post King Kai.

Based on their fight against the Ginyu Force (minus Captain Ginyu) while they were up there I would say Tien was slightly more powerful than Burter and Recoome who had power levels of around 50,000 (from what I've read). So after training under King Kaio Tien was probably packing around 55,000-60,000 based on what I have researched.

Question Two. How fast can Tenshinhan increase his Power Level by training on Earth?

Based on the power levels I've read, it would seem that in the one year between when Raditz came and when Vegeta came Tien was able to increase his power level by around 6 times.

Hope this helps, just ask me if you need any clarification!

[Terra-jin]

I thought Recoome-tachi were around 30,000... but yeah, apparently Tenshinhan, as well as the others, reached higher levels than the Ginyu members. This would mean that they all went from ~1,000 to at least 30,000! That seems kind of unreal, although Goku went from that to 24,000 if you count the Kaioken. The fact that Tenshinhan-tachi remained in Kaio-sama's training for longer than Goku leads me to believe that such a powerup is possible. Kaio-sama's training is like 10,000 times more effective than regular training, wasn't it?

After Kaio-sama's training, Tenshinhan trained in the RoSaT, which may have upped his level some 10,000s more - so I'd peg him at 100,000, at most.

About the year before Raditz: that rate of development was due to Kami-sama's training, which ended before the encounter. This means that he wouldn't likely be able to keep up the same rate of growth during his own training.

[Rocketman]

The Ginyu Force fight vs the humans is filler bullshit and should be discarded. There is absolutely no way a human could gain that much power in six days.

[SSj_Rambo]

The Ginyu Force fight vs the humans is filler bullshit and should be discarded. There is absolutely no way a human could gain that much power in six days.

That fight took place a while after Goku had landed on Namek, so the humans had been training for more than six day's (if I recall correctly). Also, the ratio of Tenshinhan's power level increase on earth (based on at the Raditz fight to the Nappa fight) would say that after training on King Kaio's planet his power level would exceed that of Recoome and Burter.

[omegacwa]

Does anyone even know what Tenshinhan's power level was before he got to Kaio's planet?

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

1830, according to Daizenshuu 07 and Dragon Ball Forever. It's never stated in the actual manga, however.

[Rocketman]

That fight took place a while after Goku had landed on Namek, so the humans had been training for more than six day's (if I recall correctly).

You don't. Goku landed on Namek the same day he became a Super Saiyan and killed Freeza. King Kai told Goku his friends had just arrived on his planet when Goku started training.

Also, the ratio of Tenshinhan's power level increase on earth (based on at the Raditz fight to the Nappa fight) would say that after training on King Kaio's planet his power level would exceed that of Recoome and Burter.

That assumes Tien is like the Saiyans, forever pulling more and more energy from nowhere.

[Kid Trunks]

That assumes Tenshinhan is like the Saiyans, forever pulling more and more energy from nowhere.

Well Piccolo did, during the 3 year gap. And Nameks aren't exactly a warrior race. So maybe Ten could too.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

That fight took place a while after Goku had landed on Namek, so the humans had been training for more than six day's (if I recall correctly).

You don't. Goku landed on Namek the same day he became a Super Saiyan and killed Freeza. King Kai told Goku his friends had just arrived on his planet when Goku started training.

He said that he'd arrive on Namek in five and a half days, so assuming that they started training right away...

[Rocketman]

Well Piccolo did, during the 3 year gap. And Nameks aren't exactly a warrior race. So maybe Ten could too.

Namek's aren't a warrior race, but Piccolo is a Warrior Namek.

[Kid Trunks]

Well Piccolo did, during the 3 year gap. And Nameks aren't exactly a warrior race. So maybe Ten could too.

Namek's aren't a warrior race, but Piccolo is a Warrior Namek.

And Ten is a warrior human.

[Kaboom]

Well Piccolo did, during the 3 year gap. And Nameks aren't exactly a warrior race. So maybe Ten could too.

Namek's aren't a warrior race, but Piccolo is a Warrior Namek.

And Ten is a warrior human.

Namekians aren't just trained to be warriors; they're born to be them. Though most of them were strong, Nail, the only true warrior Namekian left, was ten times stronger than any of them.

[USSJed]

So tell me, where did this "Tien is equal/slightly over Captain Ginyu" mentality come from. Why Captain Ginyu, why 120,000? Why not 200,000 or 90,000?

Why not 1,000,000?

Here I am, offering some slight semblance of truth. And I get people saying "Nah your wrong, I think Tien reached Captain Ginyu, based on nothing, which is obviously right compared to you and your attempt at getting a real power level using mathematics and the manga"

[SSj_Rambo]

In an anime filler Tien, Chiatzu and Yamcha fought the Ginyu force (except for Captain Ginyu) and they were stronger than the Ginyu Force, but since they didn't win by a ton and they never fought Captain Ginyu, Tien is somewhere in the middle (assuming the filler is accurate, which has not been proven otherwise).

[Rocketman]

(assuming the filler is accurate, which has not been proven otherwise).

Uh, yes it has. Tien was what, nearly 2000 when he arrived at Kai's planet? To defeat Recoome in the filler, he would have to gain 50,000 points in five and a half days.

[SSj_Rambo]

Uh, yes it has. Tenshinhan was what, nearly 2000 when he arrived at Kai's planet? To defeat Recoome in the filler, he would have to gain 50,000 points in five and a half days.

Well doesn't King Kaio say that one year of training under him is equivalent to a hundred or so years of training on Earth? Could someone help me out here and get me the exact line, if we can figure it out we will know how much faster your power increases on King Kaio's planet compered to on Earth and then know about how strong Tien would be.