“Z Movie Villain” as a Trope

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“Z Movie Villain” as a Trope

Post by jamiljamtheman » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:02 pm

For a bit of context, I have been on a superhero movie kick lately, and one of my favorite series is Fox’s X-Men. There are two movies in this franchise that I quite enjoy, despite their relatively negative reputation: Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.

While thinking about why I enjoy these movies as much as I do, I realized one of the reasons is that I am very entertained by their villains—Apocalypse, and Vuk (Jessica Chastain) respectively. But why??

Here’s the thing: neither of these villains are developed at all, and aren’t particularly compelling as characters; yet I enjoy watching them on-screen and get excited for their battles against the heroes. This is the point that I realized they are similar, in terms of literary function, to many of the old Z Movie Villains.

I know enjoyment of the z movies varies a lot from person to person, but I enjoy these a lot too. They’re not particularly complex, deep, well developed or even really “well written”. But I enjoy them because they provide great action spectacles and colorfully designed villains for Goku and Co. to battle against. Regarding the villains of these movies, there is a typical formula: a new “badass” villain character appears out of almost nowhere, with an extremely basic backstory quickly gone over, and are more powerful than any villain from that point in the DBZ canon timeline. Goku then has to push himself and reach new levels in order to defeat them (or, sometimes, just chuck a spirit bomb their way. Either does the trick :lol:).

Apocalypse and Vuk are written similarly in their respective movies. They have quickly explained, cookie-cutter backstories; then their only purpose is to look intimidating and provide an all-powerful wall for the mutants to overcome. A further Z-movie parallel is that it’s one character who defeats them both—Jean Grey. So, in their stories, they serve the almost-sole purpose to demonstrate to the viewer how incredibly powerful Jean is when she applies herself—just like Goku when he inevitably destroys almost every villain. I enjoy these movies and their villains because they provide basic excuses for cool-looking action sequences and bombastic displays of power from Jean Grey. It’s not complex, or even “good writing”, but it can be a lot of fun.

TL;DR I enjoy stories and villains like the Z Movies: straightforward, un relatable super bad powerhouse whose primary purpose is to allow the protagonist to flex their power. They’re not deep, but they’re fun!

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Re: “Z Movie Villain” as a Trope

Post by Xeogran » Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:03 am

People say that but I think some of the Movie Villains are, in fact, deeper than they're given credit for.
We just don't know much about them but they usually have enough to leave for the viewers imagination.

-Turles has an entire backstory of recruiting each of his henchmen by invading their planets for example. I think it was in a databook somewhere. Being a Saiyan, he also has a plotline related to Planet Vegeta and hatred towards Frieza.
-Hoi (red alien from M13) has that entire cult thing with Hirudegarn and the war with Tapion's race.
-Cooler has his entire rivalry with Frieza that's also left unshown but we know it exists.
-Lord Slug has the whole ancient Namek thing and is a Super Namekian that didn't need to fuse with anyone to become one?

The movies were short so many of the plotlines weren't expanded on, but they are hinted at.

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Re: “Z Movie Villain” as a Trope

Post by Skar » Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:18 pm

jamiljamtheman wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:02 pmTL;DR I enjoy stories and villains like the Z Movies: straightforward, un relatable super bad powerhouse whose primary purpose is to allow the protagonist to flex their power. They’re not deep, but they’re fun!
Tbh that description reminds me more of action film antagonists in general. I've always been a fan of 80s and 90s action films so I didn't mind them for DBZ villains :). Some action films have a well developed antagonist but most are just a really tough and scary bad guy for the hero to defeat in the end after taking down his henchmen.

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Re: “Z Movie Villain” as a Trope

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Sun May 08, 2022 4:58 pm

All of the usual talking points- about a 1-hour runtime being too short, Dragon Ball not giving much backstory for a movie to work with, keeping it simple for the uninitiated the movies are trying to win over to Dragon Ball appeal, etc.- given to explain the kinds of villains we got make perfect sense. But then Wrath of the Dragon comes in at the last moment and suggests a movie that was a bit less punchy and little more plotty could have actually worked while still delivering the goods. I guess when Dragon Ball itself is so plot-driven, with straightforward villains showing up out of nowhere and endearing themselves to the audience over time, that doing anything more than that would be even more work!

As for the movie villains being boss characters, I cannot help but smile at Toriyama's movie Dragon Box comment, that the effort of trying to create even stronger movie villains on top of the manga's already constant escalation game was almost blood-pressure raising, and yet...
...with results like these, he could not complain once all was said and done.

And speaking of boss battles, their complete absence from Kakarot stung a big. Need my Garlic Castle, Wheelo Fortress, and Tree of Might battle stages dang it.
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Re: “Z Movie Villain” as a Trope

Post by Asin » Sun May 08, 2022 6:54 pm

BlazingFiddlesticks wrote: Sun May 08, 2022 4:58 pm And speaking of boss battles, their complete absence from Kakarot stung a big. Need my Garlic Castle, Wheelo Fortress, and Tree of Might battle stages dang it.
Please don't make me want a pre-BoG movies based DLC for Kakarot. I don't even own it and yet that'd make me want it even more.

but yeah, most of the movie villains are more along the lines of just strong guy we can watch fight the Dragon Team for some dumb simple fun.

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