Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[Jiren The Alpha]

He is the least popular in Japan

I remember it was explained that the popularity polls only involve some fans who buy the magazines so they might not reflect the entire audience. It's also why the exact rankings differ depending on which group of fans are polled at the time. The recent video games don't seem to imply that Cell is unpopular in Japan. Kakarot only covered the story up to RoF and Trunks defeating Future Babidi while Jump Force and Breaks only included DBZ villains so far.

Dragon Ball Kanzenban Official Guide: Dragon Ball Forever 2004. Cell ranked 14, Majin buu 8, Frieza 9.
Sports Nippon poll: Cell ranked 12, Goku Black ranked 6, Broly ranked 5, Frieza ranked 8 and Hit ranked 9.

Of course Cell is still being used, he is a big part of the series and it would be a waste not to use his great character design lol.

[SupremeKai25]

He is the least popular in Japan

I remember it was explained that the popularity polls only involve some fans who buy the magazines so they might not reflect the entire audience. It's also why the exact rankings differ depending on which group of fans are polled at the time. The recent video games don't seem to imply that Cell is unpopular in Japan. Kakarot only covered the story up to RoF and Trunks defeating Future Babidi while Jump Force and Breaks only included DBZ villains so far.

Dragon Ball Kanzenban Official Guide: Dragon Ball Forever 2004. Cell ranked 14, Majin buu 8, Frieza 9.
Sports Nippon poll: Cell ranked 12, Goku Black ranked 6, Broly ranked 5, Frieza ranked 8 and Hit ranked 9.

Of course Cell is still being used, he is a big part of the series and it would be a waste not to use his great character design lol.

So are you saying that Cell is only looks, no substance? That he should be brought back only because he looks cool?

I don't disagree, btw, Cell doesn't have much substance as a character.

Regardless, whether people here accept that poll or not, it's still an official poll and thus is worthy of being cited as evidence. In that poll, the original villain Cell was surpassed in terms of votes by the modern villain Goku Black. So it is interesting, it would seem that being part of the original series doesn't automatically make you popular.

Should we rely on anecdotes and personal feelings as evidence, or on the official polls conducted by Vjump?

[Skar]

Should we rely on anecdotes and personal feelings as evidence, or on the official polls conducted by Vjump?

What anecdotes and personal feelings? Capsulecorp said he wasn't a fan of the character and only provided evidence based on search results. I pointed out that the recent video games only used the original DBZ villains. The last console game to include Goku Black that I know was FighterZ in 2018 and not the next three games. Jump Force features multiple Jump series and only the most known villains of each title. Cell was in the first trailer for DB Breakers. Maybe some movie and DBS villains will appear later but only the DBZ have been confirmed so far.

[SupremeKai25]

Should we rely on anecdotes and personal feelings as evidence, or on the official polls conducted by Vjump?

What anecdotes and personal feelings? Capsulecorp said he wasn't a fan of the character and only provided evidence based on search results. I pointed out that the recent video games only used the original DBZ villains. The last console game to include Goku Black that I know was FighterZ in 2018 and not the next three games. Jump Force features multiple Jump series and only the most known villains of each title. Cell was in the first trailer for DB Breakers. Maybe some movie and DBS villains will appear later but only the DBZ have been confirmed so far.

Hm? Who's talking about your posts though? All I'm saying is that an official poll from V-Jump is the most reliable source you can find. It is a poll literally designed and made to inform the audience on the popularity of some characters. Of course it doesn't speak for everyone, but that's every poll in existence. And in those polls, Cell didn't exactly do well.

Didn't Majin Buu also appear in Jump Force? In the end, videogames have always prioritized the DBZ portion of the franchise, as opposed to the DB or DBS or even DBGT parts. This isn't anything new, DBZ was always the most popular series in the franchise, and Cell just so happens to be in it.

Regardless, they're not even bringing Cell back, are they? It's just his weird Bio clone. The Cell from DBZ is permanently dead.

[Skar]

Hm? Who's talking about your posts though? All I'm saying is that an official poll from V-Jump is the most reliable source you can find. It is a poll literally designed and made to inform the audience on the popularity of some characters. Of course it doesn't speak for everyone, but that's every poll in existence. And in those polls, Cell didn't exactly do well.

Well no one was posting personal feelings or anecdotes so I assumed you were referring to the other evidence provided. I have a Yamcha avatar so I don't really care about a character's popularity and only pointing out what I've noticed based on the games. They bring up about popularity and fan service all the time for why some characters return so I don't know if they take those polls into consideration.

[SupremeKai25]

Hm? Who's talking about your posts though? All I'm saying is that an official poll from V-Jump is the most reliable source you can find. It is a poll literally designed and made to inform the audience on the popularity of some characters. Of course it doesn't speak for everyone, but that's every poll in existence. And in those polls, Cell didn't exactly do well.

Well no one was posting personal feelings or anecdotes so I assumed you were referring to the other evidence provided. I have a Yamcha avatar so I don't really care about a character's popularity and only pointing out what I've noticed based on the games. They bring up about popularity and fan service all the time for why some characters return so I don't know if they take those polls into consideration.

Yes, because what I have noticed, is that when people complain about any official source, they cannot provide a valid alternative. So for example, when I say "episode X was more popular than episode Y" and bring up the official ratings thread from this forum, people just ignore the official source and stick to what they want to believe. With that being said, I wasn't referencing any post here, since I didn't really read most of the previous page.

But perhaps it is worth asking why they are not just bringing Cell back, if he's so popular, instead of this weird clone shenanigan. After all, when Frieza was brought back, it was the actual Frieza. Not Cooler or some clone, the Frieza who appeared in DBZ. Why not just say that Cell reincarnated through one of the Cell Jrs. or something like that? Why not give us the actual Cell, instead of a clone?

[Skar]

But perhaps it is worth asking why they are not just bringing Cell back, if he's so popular, instead of this weird clone shenanigan. After all, when Frieza was brought back, it was the actual Frieza. Not Cooler or some clone, the Frieza who appeared in DBZ. Why not just say that Cell reincarnated through one of the Cell Jrs. or something like that? Why not give us the actual Cell, instead of a clone?

I guess because it would require the RR army to gather the DBs to resurrect him. He would also need some time to train to be a threat to however strong Gohan is by the end of the film. It's still a new, stronger version of Cell. If they didn't consider them worth bringing back at all, they could've used a completely original android/cyborg with no connection to him.

[ZodiacBeast]

Hm? Who's talking about your posts though? All I'm saying is that an official poll from V-Jump is the most reliable source you can find. It is a poll literally designed and made to inform the audience on the popularity of some characters. Of course it doesn't speak for everyone, but that's every poll in existence. And in those polls, Cell didn't exactly do well.

Well no one was posting personal feelings or anecdotes so I assumed you were referring to the other evidence provided. I have a Yamcha avatar so I don't really care about a character's popularity and only pointing out what I've noticed based on the games. They bring up about popularity and fan service all the time for why some characters return so I don't know if they take those polls into consideration.

Yes, because what I have noticed, is that when people complain about any official source, they cannot provide a valid alternative. So for example, when I say "episode X was more popular than episode Y" and bring up the official ratings thread from this forum, people just ignore the official source and stick to what they want to believe. With that being said, I wasn't referencing any post here, since I didn't really read most of the previous page.

But perhaps it is worth asking why they are not just bringing Cell back, if he's so popular, instead of this weird clone shenanigan. After all, when Frieza was brought back, it was the actual Frieza. Not Cooler or some clone, the Frieza who appeared in DBZ. Why not just say that Cell reincarnated through one of the Cell Jrs. or something like that? Why not give us the actual Cell, instead of a clone?

"One of the Cell Jrs. has been absorbing DNA from the universe's strongest fighters, and now Palpatine Cell has used him to come back to life!"

[SupremeKai25]

Well no one was posting personal feelings or anecdotes so I assumed you were referring to the other evidence provided. I have a Yamcha avatar so I don't really care about a character's popularity and only pointing out what I've noticed based on the games. They bring up about popularity and fan service all the time for why some characters return so I don't know if they take those polls into consideration.

Yes, because what I have noticed, is that when people complain about any official source, they cannot provide a valid alternative. So for example, when I say "episode X was more popular than episode Y" and bring up the official ratings thread from this forum, people just ignore the official source and stick to what they want to believe. With that being said, I wasn't referencing any post here, since I didn't really read most of the previous page.

But perhaps it is worth asking why they are not just bringing Cell back, if he's so popular, instead of this weird clone shenanigan. After all, when Frieza was brought back, it was the actual Frieza. Not Cooler or some clone, the Frieza who appeared in DBZ. Why not just say that Cell reincarnated through one of the Cell Jrs. or something like that? Why not give us the actual Cell, instead of a clone?

"One of the Cell Jrs. has been absorbing DNA from the universe's strongest fighters, and now Palpatine Cell has used him to come back to life!"

Brought to you by the same guy who justified Frieza's insane power jump with "Well he just worked out for 4 months", the standards here aren't exactly high.

[super michael]

Here is one thing I don't get instead of Piccolo wishing to unlock his potential alone, why didn't he unlock the Z fighters potential? Basically a wish that unlock potential on himself and his friends/family.
Think of it like reviving, the Z fighters don't wish for individuals to get revived, they do mass revival.

As for Bulma wish I think that is really dumb, first her wish to become 5 years young and now for her body part. Why not just wish for eternal youth like Daimao Piccolo, then she would not grow old and always in her peak.

[ZombieVito]

As for Bulma wish I think that is really dumb, first her wish to become 5 years young and now for her body part. Why not just wish for eternal youth like Daimao Piccolo, then she would not grow old and always in her peak.

She literally said why in Broly.

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

As for Bulma wish I think that is really dumb, first her wish to become 5 years young and now for her body part. Why not just wish for eternal youth like Daimao Piccolo, then she would not grow old and always in her peak.

Because then she would be bombarded with questions from all her friends.

[TheMikado]

As for Bulma wish I think that is really dumb, first her wish to become 5 years young and now for her body part. Why not just wish for eternal youth like Daimao Piccolo, then she would not grow old and always in her peak.

Because then she would be bombarded with questions from all her friends.

Is it really confirmed that she wished for an upgraded body part? Also there has to be a way to reframe the wish that doesn’t require her to keep doing it over and over. She’s one of the smartest people on earth..

[WittyUsername]

My only question regarding Bulma’s wish is why exactly she looks the way she does in Age 784, if she was constantly using the Dragon Balls for free plastic surgery. This movie takes place in Age 783. What happened in the span of a year?

[Jiren The Alpha]

I remember it was explained that the popularity polls only involve some fans who buy the magazines so they might not reflect the entire audience. It's also why the exact rankings differ depending on which group of fans are polled at the time. The recent video games don't seem to imply that Cell is unpopular in Japan. Kakarot only covered the story up to RoF and Trunks defeating Future Babidi while Jump Force and Breaks only included DBZ villains so far.

Dragon Ball Kanzenban Official Guide: Dragon Ball Forever 2004. Cell ranked 14, Majin buu 8, Frieza 9.
Sports Nippon poll: Cell ranked 12, Goku Black ranked 6, Broly ranked 5, Frieza ranked 8 and Hit ranked 9.

Of course Cell is still being used, he is a big part of the series and it would be a waste not to use his great character design lol.

So are you saying that Cell is only looks, no substance? That he should be brought back only because he looks cool?

I don't disagree, btw, Cell doesn't have much substance as a character.

Regardless, whether people here accept that poll or not, it's still an official poll and thus is worthy of being cited as evidence. In that poll, the original villain Cell was surpassed in terms of votes by the modern villain Goku Black. So it is interesting, it would seem that being part of the original series doesn't automatically make you popular.

Should we rely on anecdotes and personal feelings as evidence, or on the official polls conducted by Vjump?

No I'm not saying he should come back, I'm saying the reason he is showing op in reason games is not because he is popular, but because he is an important character in the series so it would be weird not to use him, and you might as well use the great character design even if the character is not popular, that's what's happend with GT lol.

[Dragmobot12]

It's funny to me that the current part of the manga said that a Namekian getting a wish for self-serving purposes could cause something really terrible, which makes me wonder if Piccolo's wish would have consequences that would probably make the Shadow Dragons return to canon.

I also have a question: Do you believe that all Dragon Balls that exist in the multiverse are equipped with the same source? Take DC Comics' SpeedForce for example: no matter what universe you are from, you are connected to the same speedforce, which provides the user with super speed no matter what universe you are from. So that's what I'm trying to say: I think all the dragonballs are connected, it's the same magic that provides all the dragonballs throughout the Multiverse with sorcery, potentially created by Zalama himself.

If Piccolo makes a big mistake here, I think it will disturb all the Dragon Balls in the entire Multiverse, which, as I said before, could potentially lead to Shadow Dragons in Dragon Ball Super.

[ObnoxiousNamek]

I hope naoki sato dont suffer the same fate as yamamoto https://twitter.com/AnimeAjay/status/15 ... 0334704640 this ost(6th) is straight out of spider man.

Modern DB has been plagued with plagarists for sometime now first Yamamoto with the Kai OST , Toyotaro with the tracing from american comics to the OG manga & other sources , now this . Like are they vetting people anymore who work on this series

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

Yamamoto with the Kai OST

Hey! I'll have you know that Yamamoto's music is great, despite his plagiarism! Examples being the video game intros, the OSTs for the SNES to early PS2 era games and Battle Point Unlimited

[ObnoxiousNamek]

Yamamoto with the Kai OST

I'll have you know that Yamamoto's music is great, despite his plagiarism! Examples being the video game intros, the OSTs for the SNES to early PS2 era games Battle Point Unlimited
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Still when you caught are red handed copying others work you have to question everythng else they've ever done as well cause how do we know its genuine? BTW the Battle Point unlimited you linked was plagarised also

[FPSSJ4_Goku]

Yamamoto with the Kai OST

I'll have you know that Yamamoto's music is great, despite his plagiarism! Examples being the video game intros, the OSTs for the SNES to early PS2 era games Battle Point Unlimited

Still when you caught are red handed copying others work you have to question everythng else they've ever done as well cause how do we know its genuine? BTW the Battle Point unlimited you linked was plagarised also
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Yes, I know, it was plagiarized from that German band Propaganda