We do have here an "author's purist", so to speak. It would be awesome if we could get some answers from their point of view.
slifer875 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:44 pmIt must be the work of an author, it doesn count if he only helps on some minor things like character designs or some small story hints, it must be HIS work, not the author being a small helper in a project, not a designer or a small editor, he must be the author, writer, artist or producer of his own work.
I only see the original manga as canon, he drew and wrote the story, its toriyama work, he is the creator of that fictional world, he started it and finished, he had editors and assitants to help him but he was the driving force that decides what happens in that world, others were there to help HIM, to finish HIS story, not the other way around.
That's very interesting, so tell me something: Neko Majin. What say you to that work?
It's a work that Akira Toriyama is its author, writer, artist and producer, it's his own work that unlike others (but like "Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman") is set in the "Dragon Ball world", shouldn't it be canonical then? Why do you disregard it under these circumstances that fit all your descriptions?
One more thing: Dragon Ball Super. What say you to that work?
Both the anime and manga are not canonical. We stick only to the movies and whatever it is in his outlines, right?
slifer875 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:44 pmThe movies, specials, OVA, GT and DBS are products that exits only to sell merchandise, they are not adaptations of a manga made by the original author, they have no canon to base themselves on, only the weak continuity of the anime adaptation, they are not canon.
What about Tarble OVA? Seemingly it was conceived by Akira Toriyama himself, based on an outline he provided (I think it's pretty much the same situation with Dragon Ball Super). Should or shouldn't it be canonical? Or is it just his outline that is canonical? Or nothing at all?
slifer875 wrote: Tue May 31, 2022 11:44 pmThe anime barely follows the manga but not only adds filler but a lot of changes that contradicts stuff from the manga, the anime barely follows its own weird continuity, same goes with the OVAs, movies and specials, they dont follow the manga, they follow the anime, but contradict the anime in too many things to even be consider part of the same continuity, there is no consistency in the continuity of the promotional material.
What happens when the manga itself doesn't follow its own continuity? For example, with the whole Cell thing that he should've been destroyed by Goku's Kamehameha.
If the movies are (and they should be), by your criteria, canonical (as their author is Toriyama, he wrote them and was their "artist"), which version of Bardock vs Freeza happened, the one from the manga (which comes from a TV Special) or the one from Movie 1? Speaking of which, planet Vegeta is red in the manga and Movie 14, but blue in Movie 1. Which color is Vegeta anyway? Where's the consistency?
And of course, the infamous but I think the most important question of all: when Toriyama retires or passes away, what happens then? Will every work released be deemed non-canonical by default because the original author is not fully involved anymore? What if Shueisha finally states what is canonical and what is not at that point?
