My point earlier was that SSGod was said to be a transformation separate from SS despite being part of the SS line, Gohans PU was said to be a transformation separate from SS too, but at the same time he went through SS and SS2 to get back to to it.Mr Baggins wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:44 amI'll skip all this translation talk since you're clearly missing the point, which is that unless you can prove that the localization teams for those games are "unreliable translators", I'll take their word over some dude on a forum insisting I give him Japanese pics that he can't translate himself (especially if their translation corroborates other materials, which it does).
I'll also skip the Ultimate + SS stuff you brought up. I answered all those questions just a page ago, and you yourself agreed earlier that it was plausibly a thing back when Ultimate was portrayed as a permanent state. I'm ambivalent as to how this would work in Super Hero; that's up to you to decide, though I'm personally unconvinced that Beast Gohan is a stacked transformation for a variety of reasons.
That leaves us with "I'll concede". Cool. Setting the record straight Re: SSGSS is why I replied to you in the first place. If you're confused about Black's form, he said it himself in the manga — if a mortal Saiyan's hair turns blue when they go past SSG, a god's hair will turn pink if they do the same thing. That might work differently in the anime, but I don't care what the anime does. One explanation is good enough for me.
Ciao.
Pretty much. Goku actually describes Super Saiyan 2 that way in the Boo arc, and the Super manga (along with V Jump guides) is certainly no stranger to portraying God and Blue as standard parts of the SS line.
So this means that just like SSG it is separate from SS forms, but connected to SS forms. Goku was also able to use SSG's full power whilst using his SS form when SSG itself expired in the BoG and all of this combined with the fact of what happened vs Moro with the energy drain and how in SH Gohan went down into SS from PU when his energy got too low shows me that despite being connected to the SS lines, PU is a separate transformation just like SSGod so it SHOULD be able to be stacked with SS even though its connected to it.
I think Gohan just lacked the training/rage to stack SS onto PU legitimately, and later on from ToP Saga onward he simply didn't even want to do that. We see in SH PU is treated as a transformation that although separate comes after the SS forms. We also see that through Rage he awakens the transformation Beast while using PU, which is while I think it's very possible that Beast may in fact be legitimately Gohan Potential Unleashed gone Super Saiyan.
Get what I am saying? It's theory, but it's backed up by direct comparisons given to use with SSG in the series.