Does DBS really blatantly copy tropes this much?

[Geraldo]

I don't think these are the best arguments for Toyotaro copying stuff.
True, Moro's giant head may be seen as a bit similar to Lord Slug but there are many other images which actually are a tribute to the original material. I see most of them as this, a tribute, not blatant copies.
Moro itself does remind me of Cell and Piccolo specifically with the restoring of his youth, sort of a demon feel, his absorption of OG and his look after. Oh, and the senzu bean. However he seems more inspired by them but with new twists. It's like saying he is a copy of Freeza beacuse he's killing Namekians or a copy of Buu beacuse a Kai fights with him.
Buu had the problem as well, he may be seen as inspired by Cell as both absorbed people. but something more is done to at least distinguish one from the other.

Also I don't think Toyo being inspired by the source material includes the non manga stuff. Eg. the movies, which already seem like a copy of anime arcs. In that case Zamasu would be a copy of Baby and while there are similarities (just like Granolah and Baby) the original elements of it's stories are enough to set them apart.

OG-7-3I's eyeballs don't lie. Their design was copied from Baby's. So that nullifies the argument Toyotaro isn't inspired by non-canonical materials.

About moro, yeah, I forgot to type the King Piccolo's youth part, it slipped my mind despite thinking about it when reading your OP and replying via mobile. The senzu bean to an enemy was also done after Piccolo Jr. was defeated in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

There's no hiding in neither the anime and manga staff that they're trying to copy previously proven successful moments. At first they thought that we are suckers for nostalgia &/ dumb to not see the tracings. But, they were proven wrong and it totally backfired on them with criticism of being uncreative and lazy.

Honest question, how cand they both think we're dumb for not seeing the tracings and suckers for nostalgia when the whole point of nostalgia is it's the emotion they want to evoke from the audience?

As for giving senzu to the villains, I don't consider that a repetitive beat as much as an action coming from character in the same way most superheroes don't take the life of their enemy. It's something we see a lot of but most have a no kill rule, so it's natural to see that play out over and over. Goku just wants to test himself and so it's natural he's going to let the villain live if he feels he can get a better fight from them.

There. Fixed it for u. It almost seemed like u were targeting me.

And for ur question, the "dumb" part referred to their tracings of previous existing materials with the expectation some of us won't be able to see it for what it is. That's why I wrote "&/".

[LoganForkHands73]

In that case, I like the duo of Goku and Vegeta. They bounce off each other well. I'm not sure what you want. People complain when it's all Goku (Goku Time) and now the duo of Goku and Vegeta is formulaic. After decades of the story being pretty much a one hander, now having it be a two hander was refreshing. I genuinely want to know what you want out of the story. Do you want it to go back to just Goku or do you want it to be Gohan, or ensemble?

It ain't that deep, I like Goku and 'Geets together, just not doing the exact same thing every single arc.

I don't know much about arcs, but I know what I like.

[ABED]

In that case, I like the duo of Goku and Vegeta. They bounce off each other well. I'm not sure what you want. People complain when it's all Goku (Goku Time) and now the duo of Goku and Vegeta is formulaic. After decades of the story being pretty much a one hander, now having it be a two hander was refreshing. I genuinely want to know what you want out of the story. Do you want it to go back to just Goku or do you want it to be Gohan, or ensemble?

It ain't that deep, I like Goku and 'Geets together, just not doing the exact same thing every single arc.

I don't know much about arcs, but I know what I like.

Again I haven't seen the Super Manga, but in the anime, it doesn't happen every arc, whereas in Z the structure happens EVERY SINGLE arc.

Anyway, I think we've exhausted this particular example.

[MasenkoHA]

Again I haven't seen the Super Manga, but in the anime, it doesn't happen every arc, whereas in Z the structure happens EVERY SINGLE arc.

Anyway, I think we've exhausted this particular example.

As someone who doesn't read the Super manga and knows next to nothing about the Moro or Granola Bar arcs I do have to side with Abed that Super has avoided being less formulaic than Z. Every major arc of Z was just the Daimao formula.

[LoganForkHands73]

We've gone on crossed purposes from my original point, which was that yes, Dragon Ball has always been quite formulaic and repetitive by nature, but back in the good old days, Toriyama would iteratively evolve those formulas and keep it fresh each arc. Yeah, the Piccolo Daimao arc provides a basic skeleton of a typical DBZ arc, but all of the following arcs expand, change and improve upon it, throwing in new setpieces, ideas and characters to keep the story unpredictable. The Freeza arc definitely doesn't do the exact same thing as the Piccolo arc. For me, it only ever got distracting when Toriyama reused exact scenes, thankfully he only did that sparingly.

IMO, the current arcs are both more openly repetitive and lack that feeling of progression. The writers may double-bluff you into thinking that finally something different will happen, only for the most predictable outcomes to happen anyway.

DBS may alternate sometimes but at the end of the day, the Universe 6 arc is exactly like any old tournament arc. It's well executed, it accomplishes what it sets out to do, but aside from the novelty of seeing another universe and the characters at their current power levels partake in an old-school Budokai with rules, there's nothing remotely new about it. That's not so bad at first, but we're nearly 10 storylines down now (counting the movies) and we're still seeing the same formula solidified in 2014 playing out almost beat-for-beat with the only real difference being the Strong Guy they happen to be fighting this time.

[Koitsukai]

I will say this much about DBS, though, each ending was unexpected.

U6: Monaka winning.
FT arc: Goku hiding under mommy's skirt and calling Zeno to beat the bully, and the heroes actually losing.
ToP: Goku teaming up with fucking Freeza and the android that wanted to kill him, to win and save us all.
Moro arc: well, it wasn't that unexpected, I guess.
Granola: Godot actually showing up with a fun's over attitude.

[BWri]

I will say this much about DBS, though, each ending was unexpected.

U6: Monaka winning.
FT arc: Goku hiding under mommy's skirt and calling Zeno to beat the bully, and the heroes actually losing.
ToP: Goku teaming up with fucking Freeza and the android that wanted to kill him, to win and save us all.
Moro arc: well, it wasn't that unexpected, I guess.
Granola: Godot actually showing up with a fun's over attitude.

I was expecting Monaka to win, I was just hoping there was more to the joke. Was hoping he was secretly super strong or had a split personality that was or something.