Dragonball Movie Update! What is UP with this?

[Xyex]

Oh for fucks sake, damn, you people really aren't happy unless you're bitching about something, are you? God.

1) Yes, he goes to school now, because he lives near or in a city (we don't even know where the hell his house is so he'd could still live in the middle of nowhere) and it's a convienent way to introduce plot points.

2) Being in school DOES NOTHING to his character. Last I checked Gohan in highschool was the same as Gohan in the Android Saga. They didn't making him a damned scholar, they just dropped his ass in a setting more familiar to the average audience and more similar to, well, everywhere Goku is that isn't in the first manga volume.

3) An action movie poster trying to hype people up for an action movie IS NOT going to show the character grinning like an idiot. Not even if said movie is an action/comedy movie. If, later on, they decided to advertise the more light hearted and comical aspects the film has THEN we'll see a smiling/grinning/goofy Goku in a poster.

4) Titanic sucked.

5) Howard the Duck kicked ass.

6) Mortal Kombat (unless you meant Annhilation) kicked ass.

7) Yes, Goku starts off in CIVILIAN CLOTHES because he starts off as a CIVILIAN IN A CIVILIAN SETTING. It's not the end of the fucking world, damn.

8)

Yeah, and that's the point, isn't it? He never met anyone, besides Gohan, until he met Bulma. That's why Goku is who Goku is.

Untill he met Bulma at AGE 12. He's 18 in the movie. HE's been around people for the last 6 years by then in the manga.

Fuck.

You don't like the idea of the movie, we get it. You don't like the direction of the movie (based on VERY little information, at that), we get it. Fine. No problem. But could you AT LEAST WAIT TO BITCH ABOUT SOMETHING UNTIL YOU HAVE ACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT IT? Is that REALLY too much to ask?

I mean, god, I don't read this thread for a couple of days and come back to THREE FUCKING PAGES of whining about Chatwin's expression in fucking poster that's been released before work on the movie is even finished. God damn people, get a life.

If I had to bet right hand on whether succedes or fail. I'm betting on it failing. There is no way a nit-pick can look at that poster and not think this thing is not going to fail on every leval.

Double negatives FTW.

[Onikage725]

This movie is going to end up just like "DOA: Dead or Alive"/"Double Dragon"/"Street Fighter"/"Super Mario Bros." a fucking joke. People make excuses, but I can guarantee this is where this movie will end up. Hell, look at all the problems people are having with just the images that have come out for it. You could put all the most talented actors and actresses in the world in this movie, and it wouldn't save it from being garbage. I'm sorry if I hurt any feelings with this post. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Fix'd

[Magica]

I love how everyone's having a shitfest over a poster. It reminded me of the time I first seen the Alvin and the Chipmunks poster and I complained and worried on how it was going to turn out. I worried more than constantly bitching about it. Yet once I seen the movie myself, it was great. It's another one of those "don't judge a book by its cover" things. Don't worry about it so much just because the poster wasn't to your satisfaction.

Shit in movies change. Look at Harry Potter for example. Try putting a 500+ page book into a one to two hour movie. What's Dragonball? 100 episodes or so?

To tell you the truth it's the constant bitching and not the plot's sypnosis that drives me away from wanting to watch this movie.

(And I actually loved the old Super Mario Bros. Even now).

[Raz]

I don't know if this has been shown yet but THIS IS PICCOLO.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/04/firs ... _picco.php

Looks more like Bat Man

[Magica]

Yeah, I think that particular image was posted a bunch of pages back.

[NeptuneKai]

I don't know if this has been shown yet but THIS IS PICCOLO.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/04/firs ... _picco.php

Looks more like Bat Man

Yes they did, and yes he does then again I don't think that's going to be his permanent outfit.

[Onikage725]

5) Howard the Duck kicked ass.

6) Mortal Kombat (unless you meant Annihilation) kicked ass.

Thank you very much. Heck I even tolerate Annihilation. As a movie, it is laughable (i.e. watch with drunk friends for good times), and the fights were actually a bit more like the games than in the first film. I've even argued that the haphazard plot around people just randomly fighting people before confronting Shao Kahn was pretty much how the games worked back then (MK1 not withstanding).

I love how everyone's having a shitfest over a poster. It reminded me of the time I first seen the Alvin and the Chipmunks poster and I complained and worried on how it was going to turn out. I worried more than constantly bitching about it. Yet once I seen the movie myself, it was great. It's another one of those "don't judge a book by its cover" things. Don't worry about it so much just because the poster wasn't to your satisfaction.

Agreed. The poster threw me. The hoodies just didn't work for me. It kinda hit on this little pet peeve of mine, how it seems that every remake of an old property comes with a hip hop flavor. Nothing against the genre, per se, but it was a little odd when watching Get Smart to have the credits go up and out of the blue we have a hip hop song. Because that's what I always think of when I think about Get Smart (ditto that rap remix of Underdog's theme).

Then someone showed me a clip of the Christmas song (Christmas Don't Be Late) in the live action movie and now I own it.

[Freeza93]

(And I actually loved the old Super Mario Bros. Even now).

I love that movie too.

Here's a picture of some guy who is a "fullum assassin."

[SSj_Rambo]

I don't know if this has been shown yet but THIS IS PICCOLO.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/04/firs ... _picco.php

Looks more like Bat Man

They're giving a lot of the characters that tight black leather outfit look, it really sucks, but what can we do?

[Anonymous Friend]

This movie is going to end up just like "DOA: Dead or Alive"/"Mortal Kombat"/"Street Fighter"/"Super Mario Bros."

Hey, I liked DOA, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat. I enjoyed Super Mario Bros and Double Dragon for what they were. The Street Fighter and Super Mario Bros movies were made before the plots of the games were more fleshed out.

Street Fighter was a fun and funny movie, even if it did change a lot of relationships from what was shown in the games. Mortal Kombat was probably the most faithful fighting game movie ever. DOA, while no worthy of paying full admission price, is a decent fighting game/tournament movie. I'm not that formiliar with the game series but from what I do know the relationsships in the movie were not correctly reflecting those of the series. If you can get past that, then you'll enjoy it.

[Kendamu]

I don't know if this has been shown yet but THIS IS PICCOLO.

http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/04/firs ... _picco.php

Looks more like Bat Man

I thought that was discovered to be a fake.

[Raz]

i think piccolo will be difficult to come off convincing and scary if he follows the anime look. I am thinking this body suit is just an early work or something still being produced.Overall the appearance is not terrible.

[djkalteraphine]

7) Yes, Goku starts off in CIVILIAN CLOTHES because he starts off as a CIVILIAN IN A CIVILIAN SETTING. It's not the end of the fucking world, damn.

Yeah, and that's the point, isn't it? He never met anyone, besides Gohan, until he met Bulma. That's why Goku is who Goku is.

Untill he met Bulma at AGE 12. He's 18 in the movie. HE's been around people for the last 6 years by then in the manga.

Fuck.

You don't like the idea of the movie, we get it. You don't like the direction of the movie (based on VERY little information, at that), we get it. Fine. No problem. But could you AT LEAST WAIT TO BITCH ABOUT SOMETHING UNTIL YOU HAVE ACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT IT? Is that REALLY too much to ask?

I've been very optimistic about whole thing for months (years, really), owing to the fact it isn't that complicated of a story to adapt. Sure, there are some strange visual elements involved, but those can be changed easily. And they've done that, and I'm quite pleased with Roshi, Bulma, Chichi, Yamcha, and Mai so far.

However, the essence of Son Goku is in his origin. His complete innocence and obliviousness to all things outside his mountain home, and his stalwart, boyish view of good and evil. He doesn't fully understand thievery, or lying, or even murder. He is entirely pure and untainted by a materialistic culture, built on greed and betrayal. This is why he has Kinto'Un, why he decided to defeat the Red Ribbon Army single-handed, why Korin, Kami, and Kaio were all so willing to train him, and why when he looked into a face of the universe's greatest tyrant, who was far beyond him in strength, and was offering him a role at his side, Son Goku answered by clocking him. Because when the horrible truth of the world comes crashing onto him, in the form of Tao murdering Bora, and Tamborine murdering Kuririn, and the Red Ribbon Army so desperately gathering the Dragon Balls by any means, and Piccolo Daimao's near take-over of the entire planet, his instinct tells him to stop them. Because that is what Goku's youth made him.

I love this character. I've had him in my life and in my heart for ten years - half of my life. He has inspired and influenced me in ways that get caught in my throat and I may never be able to fully express. And while we'll all no doubt be laughing about this movie in a few years time, I can't help but be defensive. I feel rather as I would if someone were writing slanderous and false things about a member of my family, and people were believing them. My blood boils and I feel utterly incensed with anger and the want to force them to write a retraction. By changing his most critical character point, going from bliss happiness to unsettling awareness, and how he took it in such admirable strides, they are changing him into something else.

I don't think about this movie when I'm not on this topic. As I said, it'll be fine for a laugh, at the very least. But when it is brought up in discussion, I cannot help but vent and fume with anger. That isn't my Son Goku.

In closing, I respect your position, so please respect mine, and keep this civil.

[Xyex]

That black suit, if it's real, is likely just a base coat. Ala the the rubber that Rebecca Romijn wore as Mystique. Other layers may be added, painting will be done, etc. It just looks like it's there for musculature definition and body form.

EDIT:
The tone of my earlier post stems from coming in to see what news has come up that's got everyone talking again and finding pages of people bitching about trivial crap that doesn't even matter at all.

By changing his most critical character point, going from bliss happiness to unsettling awareness, and how he took it in such admirable strides, they are changing him into something else.

This, right here, is part of the point I (and Kaboom) have been trying to drive into people's heads for a while now.

ALL that we know is that Goku is now in the city. Based on blurbs we've gotten he apparently still has the EXACT same personality as ever. Only his current setting has changed. Hell, we don't even know how long he's BEEN in the city. He may have just gotten there a few months or so ago, or even a couple of years, and still be like a fish out of water.

The point is we don't know. We don't know. We have maybe 50 words on Goku and all anyone can see is "city" and "Highschool". Just because he's goes to school does not mean that he's Peter Parker or Clark Kent. What, if Super Man moved into the mountains and learned martial arts would he be Goku? No. He'd be Superman living in the mountains and doing martial arts.

They didn't make Goku a science nerd or a football star or the cool-kid-on-campus. The just plopped him down into a school. Sure, maybe he starts off a little less clueless than he did in the manga. Maybe he's got as much knowledge in the movie as he did when he was 18 in the manga. But last I checked 18 year old manga Goku was still Goku.

I'm only asking that people at least wait until we see a trailer of Dawson's Creek Z or Spdier-man Z or Superman Z or whatever before they start screaming "OH MY GOD GOKU'S IN HIGHSCHOOL THEY'VE COMPLETELY CHANGED HIS CHARACTER, THERE'S NO WAY HE'S FUN LOVING OR GOOFY OR NAIVE OR A MARTIAL ARTIST NOW!", that's all.

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Also, page stretch of DOOM. Freeza93, could you maybe change that to a link instead?

[SSJmole]

4) Titanic sucked.

5) Howard the Duck kicked ass.

I think you have that backwards.

Titanic was a great film.

Howard the duck is a horrible movie

[SSj_Rambo]

Here's a supposed "behind the scenes" picture of what looks like a model for Shenlongs head, kind of interesting, but I don't know if it's real or not.

[djkalteraphine]

The tone of my earlier post stems from coming in to see what news has come up that's got everyone talking again and finding pages of people bitching about trivial crap that doesn't even matter at all.

To you. Obviously it's mattered to the people lodging the complaints.

By changing his most critical character point, going from bliss happiness to unsettling awareness, and how he took it in such admirable strides, they are changing him into something else.

This, right here, is part of the point I (and Kaboom) have been trying to drive into people's heads for a while now.

ALL that we know is that Goku is now in the city. Based on blurbs we've gotten he apparently still has the EXACT same personality as ever. Only his current setting has changed. Hell, we don't even know how long he's BEEN in the city. He may have just gotten there a few months or so ago, or even a couple of years, and still be like a fish out of water.

His personality has changed. Goku wouldn't go to a school when he was 18. He could be training and having adventures instead. Environment is as important as a person's natural instinct when it comes to personality. And Goku was never comfortable in clothes that weren't martial arts gi, so he never kept them on. Do you really expect a kid who's gone to high school and been in that oppressive pit to strip past their knickers and fish for the whole world to see?

The point is we don't know. We don't know. We have maybe 50 words on Goku and all anyone can see is "city" and "Highschool". Just because he's goes to school does not mean that he's Peter Parker or Clark Kent. What, if Super Man moved into the mountains and learned martial arts would he be Goku? No. He'd be Superman living in the mountains and doing martial arts.

Clark Kent has, on many occasions, cited that his ma and pa turned him into the man he is. So no. If Superman lived in the mountains by himself instead of on a farm with the Kents, he would not be Goku. But he wouldn't be Superman, either.

They didn't make Goku a science nerd or a football star or the cool-kid-on-campus. The just plopped him down into a school. Sure, maybe he starts off a little less clueless than he did in the manga. Maybe he's got as much knowledge in the movie as he did when he was 18 in the manga. But last I checked 18 year old manga Goku was still Goku.

And why was he still Goku? Could it be the 18 years of his life he had spent getting to that point, being crafted and hardened by his every experience? Or do you suppose on his 18th birthday he just decided that's the way he should act?

I'm only asking that people at least wait until we see a trailer of Dawson's Creek Z or Spdier-man Z or Superman Z or whatever before they start screaming "OH MY GOD GOKU'S IN HIGHSCHOOL THEY'VE COMPLETELY CHANGED HIS CHARACTER, THERE'S NO WAY HE'S FUN LOVING OR GOOFY OR NAIVE OR A MARTIAL ARTIST NOW!", that's all.

He could very well be fun loving, naive, and a martial artist. But if he's in high school, and Gohan is still alive, and this kid's lived a relatively normal, adjusted life for 18 years, he's not Goku.

Besides, isn't this supposed to be a discussion? We're discussing the updates, as they're given to us. If the film makers really wanted us not to moan about things until we "see a trailer of Dawson's Creek Z or Spdier-man Z or Superman Z or whatever", they've give us a trailer or teaser. Kindly quit telling us we're "bitching about trivial crap that doesn't even matter at all". Obviously they matter, or the film makers wouldn't show them off.

[omegacwa]

I think we need to stop arguing. We really don't know enough about the movie yet to be making such judgments.

As for Goku being in school, for all we know, Grandpa Gohan could be like, "Now Goku, I have taught you all I can, time to go out in the real world". Then Goku leaves for School, where he is dumb as a brick, meets Bulma and what not, meanwhile, Gohan is Killed by Piccolos Minions(Tambourine perhaps) for the Dragonball and so on.

And the Fullum Assassin costume rocks.

[Kid Trunks]

Oh for fucks sake, damn, you people really aren't happy unless you're bitching about something, are you? God.

I'd be happy if I didn't have something to bitch about. But unfortunately this movie gives me tons to bitch about.

[ultimateemail5000]

Oh, and since no one will ever see it in the Fan Works Explosion topic.

I pretty much gave up on this, it's still pretty decent though.

That picture has inspired me to draw the poster in Toriyama anime style. I hope you guys like it Oh yeah, I didn't draw the logo.