Criticism

[JulieYBM]

Cue Chris Sabat's unprompted criticism of Joji Yanami's Kaio performance in the middle of a panel that had nothing to do with dub vs. sub differences (complete with a cringe imitation of Yanami to boot). Very unprofessional and disrespectful to the recently deceased Yanami.

Welp, looks like I'm removing him from my Superman fan voice cast. Jesus Christ, Sabat.

[Dbzfan94]

I'll admit I definitely stopped posting here as frequently because I saw a lot of dub hate by a few vocal people, but yeah this thread is a little strange, like why stir the pot?

[Gaffer Tape]

Cue Chris Sabat's unprompted criticism of Joji Yanami's Kaio performance in the middle of a panel that had nothing to do with dub vs. sub differences (complete with a cringe imitation of Yanami to boot). Very unprofessional and disrespectful to the recently deceased Yanami.

He's very much that old man screaming at clouds.

Wait, is that true? When did that happen? Where? What was the criticism? If true, that sounds like it's in pretty bad taste. It's also quite rich given what their dub did to Kaio...

[MasenkoHA]

Cue Chris Sabat's unprompted criticism of Joji Yanami's Kaio performance in the middle of a panel that had nothing to do with dub vs. sub differences (complete with a cringe imitation of Yanami to boot). Very unprofessional and disrespectful to the recently deceased Yanami.

He's very much that old man screaming at clouds.

Wait, is that true? When did that happen? Where? What was the criticism? If true, that sounds like it's in pretty bad taste. It's also quite rich given what their dub did to Kaio...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0MAFdBSqbLs&feature=share7


To recap : Fan asked Schemmel where he came up with his King Kai voice, Schemmel said they were told to imitate the Canadian cast and he thought Don Brown was doing a Buddy Hackett impression so he did his best Buddy Hackett voice for King Kai. Then, Sabat, unprompted, said he appreciated Schemmel's take because he never agreed artistically with the Japanese voice which was too deadpan for the character and then does a frail old man voice to imitate Yanami's Kaio. And I guess at no point Sabat noticed that Kaio and the narrator sound exactly the same for a reason.

It doesn't seem like Schemmel or Sabat were even aware Yanami was dead but at least Schemmel had the decency to add he was pretty sure Yanami was a legend in Japan.

[Majin Buu]

It doesn't seem like Schemmel or Sabat were even aware Yanami was dead

They likely weren't, they don't seem to be that plugged in to the Japanese side of the franchise.

But all that means is that Sabat's actions didn't come from a place of malice.

Considering he was there as a representative of Funimation that's involved with production of the dub on more than just a voice acting level, he should have been more professional regardless. He could have just praised Schemmel's Kaio and left it at that. He went out of his way to criticize Yanami's performance.

[MasenkoHA]

It doesn't seem like Schemmel or Sabat were even aware Yanami was dead

They likely weren't, they don't seem to be that plugged in to the Japanese side of the franchise.

But all that means is that Sabat's actions didn't come from a place of malice.

Considering he was there as a representative of Funimation that's involved with production of the dub on more than just a voice acting level, he should have been more professional regardless. He could have just praised Schemmel's Kaio and left it at that. He went out of his way to criticize Yanami's performance.

Oh I agree 100 percent, it was completely uncalled for for Sabat to even mention Yanami's performance like that. All the fan did was ask Schemmel how he came up with his King Kai voice. Nobody there was criticizing Schemmel's Kai or comparing it unfavorably to Yanami, putting down Yanami's performance to boost Schemmel's performance was unnecessary and out of line.

[Majin Buu]

For sure. It's like critics of the dub live rent free in his head.

[DB1984]

The more I read about Chris Sabat, the more I dislike him. That was low of him how he spoke about Yanami.

[ClutchBangstrip]

I'll admit I definitely stopped posting here as frequently because I saw a lot of dub hate by a few vocal people, but yeah this thread is a little strange, like why stir the pot?

I just remember that it's a vocal few, like you said. The English voice actors get so much love irl, it's insane. The internet is not an accurate representation for large franchises.

[The Monkey King]

Very surprised this thread hasn't been locked, but if it's a place for us to air our grievances I'll gladly contribute.

If there's one genuine criticism I can give to VegettoEX it's his blatant bias towards certain forum users.

I won't name names of course but there was a period of time when a "Certain User" who currently has over 15,000 posts would constantly derail threads to insert talking points about their personal social political ideologies and would deem anyone who disagreed with them and Toriyama himself a bigot.

This behavior occurred in a countless number of threads but instead of account strikes or a ban VegettoEX would coddle and baby this "Certain User" meanwhile if this was any other newer forum user with less posts their account would've been permanently banned.

To be fair they were eventually banned once after about 50 warnings but this ban only lasted a month or so.

Clear and utter bias, disappointing moderator behavior.

[VegettoEX]

I want to thank everyone for the amazing thread. It's been truly wonderful. Each and every new post has been a delight, filling my soul with joy. Now that it's been about two weeks of said hilarity (and more to bring things back around on-topic as opposed to the off-topic dub conversation it just swerved toward), I thought I — as of course the only single individual person who maintains this website and moderates/administers this forum that it's a part of* — would chime in on a few things.

(*this is of course absolutely false, but more on that in a bit!)

We have a not-unspoken rule among our moderation team that we don't publicly comment on activity like specific account strikes/bans, and that's for a couple reasons. First and foremost, it's lame drama. We ain't here for the drama. Clean it up, move on, let's go: that's how we like to handle things. It's why I still love engaging and talking here, and we've had it endlessly told to us that it's why many of you still love engaging and talking here. The majority of us got into the series when were were in our teenage years, but ain't nobody got time for acting like that anymore.

That said, hah, oh man, let's break character for a moment and dig into a couple things before the curtain pulls back forever again.

The Reality Distortion
One thing you absolutely need to know is just how much every story you read from someone complaining about why they were banned is just absolute fabrication. They're always lying to you, and you don't even have to take a moderator's/administrator's word for that: just go back and look at whatever their last few posts were, and you'll see the truth for yourself. It's always some hilarious story like "I got banned for liking Vegeta too much; they are the bias for Goku," and you go and look, and it's some crazy racist dude. Like, this isn't hidden information. Just look at the posts.

Salt
The ones that complain the most are the ones who receive the strikes. In the spirit of the curtain being pulled back, it's worth noting that the very person who started this thread likely did so in "retaliation" because a thread was locked (they didn't even receive a strike!!!) when they necroposted in a (dead) two-year-old thread about DBZ Abridged, where they incoherently wrote something that sounded like a child stomping their feet in a temper tantrum all the meanwhile declaring it not necroposting because... reasons...? See again: not hidden information; just look at the posts. It's not the opinions that get you in trouble; it's the behavior (and in this case confusing decision to post in random old threads instead of any variety of current/ongoing ones).

The Old Schemmel Thing
Absolutely with Lance here on this and wondering what some of y'all are even talking about. See again for the third time: not hidden information, just look at the posts. Also please consider: these two dudes were going at it in the middle of the night. No moderation members were available at the time to jump in like we absolutely otherwise would have done to put a stop to it. Thankfully(?), it's all there for posterity now(?).

The Word Filter
My dude that was a decade ago and didn't last long to begin with. It was also really funny.

When It Gets Personal
I'm obviously the most visible member of the administration/moderation team, because I founded everything here back in 1998 and my personal/work life allows me the opportunity to dedicate a little more time to being here (and therefore being visible), so it's understandable that when someone wants to Go Salty, they single me out. That's OK. I've been doing this for 25 years (longer than some of the people complaining have been alive). Y'all can't break me. That all said, there is absolutely a robust moderation team that silently handles a lot of the little things here and there along the way, and we do occasionally have a conversation about "hey you see such and such whatcha wanna do?" There's actually not much of that, because for the most part everyone here is awesome and doesn't require we step in for a lot!

Thread Deletion
No-one's out here deleting your (legitimate) threads. Those accusations are, like many of the other things previously stated, absolutely hilarious and fabricated out of thin air. Sure, threads do get deleted: when the occasional spam bot posts, when someone starts some homophobic rampage thread, etc. etc. etc. If you're complaining about THAT kind of thread getting deleted, you don't have an argument here my friend.

User Bias
Directly addressing the user above (which, hey, again in the spirit of pulling back the curtain, has multiple account strikes for unacceptable behavior themselves! Funny, huh?!): there's nuance to this that you get with age and experience. Sure, a long-standing user that's demonstrated otherwise reasonable demeanor that has a bad day or two or three or even ten is probably going to receive a different kind of moderation than, again, someone who signs up and their literal first post is a racist rampage. This isn't even comparable. That said, we have members of our own moderation team that had account strikes before they became moderators! People grow and change and learn! You can do it, too! I believe in everyone. I believe in multiple chances... provided you've at least introduced yourself as a level-headed, reasonable, thoughtful individual in the first place.

Your Choice
Two things can simultaneously be true: you're under no obligation to post here as part of this community, and we're under no obligation to have you here. That sounds super harsh, but I actually think it's extremely freeing. Go find your niche! You don't have to be a community member here. No-one has a gun to your head over it. Everyone on our staff is absolutely totally fine if you don't like us or don't like how we handle things here. In today's modern internet, you have no shortage of choices for where you can talk about Dragon Ball, and it's seriously, truly, genuinely no sweat off our back if you ultimately decide it's not for you. Why would you want to stick around in a place you don't like? Why do that to yourself?

(You'll still begrudgingly refer back to our website for accurate/sourced information, because of course you will, because there's no better option! )

Actual Constructive Criticism
That all said, if you're a cool reasonable person and you have something genuinely legitimate and constructive to say and/or suggest? Yeah, man! All ears! Let's hear it! We've probably already thought about it (and maybe have even tested it before), but still: let's go! Some of our best community friends have been folks that approached us with an idea or slant that we hadn't previously considered. I love being challenged on worthwhile, interesting things with a thoughtful, considered approach!

Last Couple Thoughts
Folks, you don't need to be concerned with telling someone who makes an inflammatory post, "Oh no, did you not realize you posted this in the Dragon Ball section and not the website/community section?!" Haha, man, they don't care about that! What are you DOING saying that?! I deeply and truly appreciate how earnest you are, but it's just so funny to read. That all said, yeah, I'll move this over to the "correct"(?!) section of the forum now.

Pretty sure that hits all the major points! Thanks to the awesome people always doing awesome things. It's a true, genuine, I'm-not-lying-to-you joy to read all the new angles and points and topics people bring up every day. I believe in the power of text, of long-form conversation, and of history: this forum is a testament to and legacy of that!

[Ssj3Engels]

...and thus the discussion ended, as pretty much always, with an anti-climatic, mean-spirited, incredibly patronizing post by VegettoEX. But, that's why I love this forum!

[Kunzait_83]

The Reality DistortionOne thing you absolutely need to know is just how much every story you read from someone complaining about why they were banned is just absolute fabrication. They're always lying to you, and you don't even have to take a moderator's/administrator's word for that: just go back and look at whatever their last few posts were, and you'll see the truth for yourself. It's always some hilarious story like "I got banned for liking Vegeta too much; they are the bias for Goku," and you go and look, and it's some crazy racist dude. Like, this isn't hidden information. Just look at the posts.

One notable thing that's a real window into the minds of exactly these types of completely disengaged from reality (ex)users that Mike is describing here is how completely batshit paranoid and conspiratorial (in a "the whole world is secretly out to get me" manner) they often tend to be.

I guess this is as good a place as any to talk about this publicly on here: there's a great deal of major reasons why I'm nowhere near as active on here as I used to be back in the 2000s: age, IRL responsibilities, different priorities in life, and all that typical stuff. Nothing really noteworthy about any of that.

But another, albeit smaller, reason is tied in directly to the kinds of users Mike is describing here: the kinds of banned users who harbor a "jilter lover" level of bitterness about it and continue to carry on off the forums about it.

For whatever insane reason, there have been a few of those exact kinds of people in recent years (basically since 2016 or so, less than a year after I returned here semi-active with the whole Wuxia thread) who have gotten it into their heads that I'm somehow some sort of "power player" behind the scenes of this forum who has the ear of Mike and that I'm somehow some sort of "made man" who has explicit permission from Mike to say anything I like on here and get away with it.

Some wild conspiracy theories were concocted around this asinine notion by several banned users, and those theories were seen as license by some of these banned users in question for them to personally stalk and harass me off the forums on various other internet platforms that I frequent.

I'm gonna take a second here first to note the obvious reality: none of that is even vaguely close to true. The amount of words and time that Mike and myself have exchanged off the forums in general are infinitesimally, microscopically small. He and I barely know one another in ANY meaningful capacity other than my being a regular user here, not much different from anyone else: his familiarity with me is entirely 100% from my own meandering ramblings in this place, and my familiarity with him is entirely 100% from his being a DB website guy from the late 90s.

He and I have exchanged VASTLY more convos out in the open publicly on this forum - which anyone can look up for themselves on here - than we ever, ever have in private off of it, and its not even remotely close whatsoever.

I'm not in any which way in his "inner circle", nor am I frankly in pretty much ANYONE'S inner circle in ANY facet of life whatsoever.

I'm literally a complete and utter inconsequential nobody in pretty much ALL areas of life (and frankly the older I get, the more I like it that way), up to and including my time spent on this site: a verbose inconsequential nobody, but a total inconsequential nobody just the same.

There is no relationship whatsoever between me and Mike and this site, outside of me being a generic, general, off and on semi-regular user on here same as anyone else.

Regardless, complete nutcases who were banned from this place - for as Mike already noted, saying some patently racist, hateful, lunatic bullshit that would get them banned from virtually ANYWHERE else as well - have from time to time for whatever reason seen me as being "in on it" (whatever "it" happens to be in their warped, demented little minds) and thus I've been subject to several repeated harassment and stalking incidents from people who ended up turning out to be ex/banned users of this forum who buy into this weird, ridiculous "Kunzait is secretly part of the Kanzenshuu Illuminati" nonsense.

Ironically, this has - albeit to a MUCH less degree than just the simple reality of my age and increased responsibilities in real life - only made me LESS inclined or incentivized to want to actively participate in this community/forum. Because honestly, who the fuck at my age and current place I'm at in life has the mental or emotional space to want to deal with this idiotic, infantile nonsense? Hell, even the me of 15/20 years ago wouldn't have had the patience for this kind of shit, much less where I'm at today. My activity on here has noticeably been less and less and less, albeit again only in small part, as a result of this.

And yet evidently, last I've heard anyway, there's still this notion among a certain subset of banned users here who see me as some sort of "key behind the scenes figure" here, and from time to time occasionally, I'll still get pestered by a few of them off the forums, even somewhat recently.

Why am I bringing any of this up here then? Of what relevance is this to this thread and to Mike's point that I'm quoting?

Its to make a simple and obvious point to ANYONE reading this thread through this thread who, for whatever reason, have some weird chip on their shoulder about some perceived slight that someone on here (a Mod or whomever) may have made towards them and who is brewing and nurturing the idea in their head that there's some sort of "secretive agenda" or whatever the fuck else from the mods of this community against certain users here, and who might listen to the paranoid ravings of exactly the kind of banned users that both Mike and now myself are describing here about there being some sort of "Kanzenshuu Illuminati" that certain users here are a part of.

These people that you - hypothetical users I just described above - are listening to and indulging are both A) delusionally detached from reality and B) hopelessly stupid and unintelligent. And if you continue to listen to them and indulge their idiocy, then you yourself are also those things as well. I have no better or nicer way of putting it than that, and frankly I have zero incentive or desire to want to coddle you through this reality.

Here's the reality: I'm a complete and utter absolute nobody with ZERO power or influence over pretty much ANYTHING in life, much less this random website dedicated to a children's kung fu cartoon/comic strip from roughly 40 years ago now (the creator of which has now shuffled off this mortal coil). And so are you for that matter: yes, you who is reading this right now. You are EQUALLY as powerless and inconsequential in life as I am and likely as most if not all of the other people around you are.

Which, were I to venture a guess, is precisely why you are expending your time and energy harassing and stalking random nobodies like me online over meaningless bullshit: because you feel powerless and inconsequential in life, and you don't like it, and want to do something to make you feel like you have power over someone, literally anyone.

What you are doing in reality however is wasting your energy, your youth, and your life harboring petty, bitter resentments over other random nobodies - all of whom are every bit just as powerless and inconsequential in life as you are - over shit relating to, and I cannot stress this enough, a motherfucking 40 year old children's kung fu cartoon.

Right now, as we speak, there is REAL serious shit happening in the world, to people all around you, and probably to you yourself as well. And you're spending what time you have on this Earth getting viscerally, seethingly angry at complete strangers - most of, if not all of, whom are in much the same shitty boat in life as you are yourself no doubt - over a website devoted to a 40 year old cartoon about an alien WareApe who zaps demons and spacemen with Daoist fairytale lasers from his hands for the sheer fun of it.

This is how you're choosing to spend your time and your energy instead of actually focusing on maybe, I dunno, working on your own life issues maybe?

Here's the thing: the people you are so, SO incredibly mad at - whether its me, Mike, or whichever random mod or user on this forum - we are all just regular-ass people, just completely powerless and inconsequential nobodies in life just like you are. We're all NO DIFFERENT whatso-fucking-ever in our current stations in life! We too - certainly most of us at least - are struggling with money, jobs, health (physical and/or mental), living situations, personal relationships, etc! We too never amounted to anything grandiose in life or reached our childhood dreams, and our lives were as much a colossal disappointment as that of 80% to 90% of the rest of the worlds' population's have typically been! In other words, we're all just a bunch of average rando struggling nobodies, the same as you!

The only difference between yourself/yourselves and the rest of us posting on here is most of us regular people on this site are under NO illusions whatsoever about how completely meaningless, petty, and stupid any of this bullshit is and how completely banal and ordinary all our lives actually are.

You however, are treating your getting banned from a website like this for using bigoted slurs and/or dogwhistles - something which is going to happen to you ANYPLACE else outside of here, save places like 4chan, 8chan, and Stormfront and the like - like its the gravest injustice anyone has ever had to face and that you sticking it to "the man" on some dumb children's cartoon fansite is the single coolest, bravest, most transgressively punk rock act of rebellion anyone has yet endeavored.

You're a total fucking imbecile in other words, and the people you're listening to about this shit are some of the most hopelessly sad and childishly pathetic people walking the face of the earth currently. Nobody here has "power over you" or over ANYTHING that's wrong in your life. Your priorities are completely, hopelessly screwed up if you believe that your time and energy in your life is best spent harassing and pestering anyone who has anything whatsoever to do with this place. Your wasting your fucking life bothering regular-ass people in other words.

There is no "Kanzenshuu Illuminati", there is no "conspiracy" or "agenda" about this place or against "certain users". Nothing that goes on here is in ANY which way important enough or matters enough whatsoever for there to be ANYTHING so convolutedly grandiose as that.

The ONLY thing that's happened here, the ONLY thing it is that's getting you so riled up is... the mods on a random children's cartoon fansite don't like you using bigoted slurs and dogwhistles (whether or not you even understand what those dogwhistles actually mean is a whole other matter, and is frankly more or less irrelevant). A standard that has existed on the internet, on most mainstream websites literally since fucking FOREVER and ever and ever ago (and I say that as someone who's been around on the internet for far longer than most users on here have been alive on this Earth) and is, by and large for the most part anyway, NO different today than it was decades before.

The reality is, you're a total fucking loser who likely has any combination of the following wrong in their life: no job/a shitty job, no money, no home of your own ownership, no significant other, no direction or place in life, minimal education, maybe no family or close loved ones in your life at all even, a giant stack of bills and debts you have no hope of paying anywhere in this lifetime, etc. and so on. Y'know, pretty much exactly like most of the rest of us who post here and live on this planet and aren't fabulously wealthy or whatnot.

And rather than just take a sobering assessment of where you're at in life and what your priorities should be, you've instead taken to listening to some other total fucking losers on Youtube/4chan/Twitter/Facebook/some other loser internet forum/pick your poison who are spouting fairytale nonsense about a "secret agenda" from women, black, brown, and queer people on dumb nerd hobby websites like this one who are conspiring to "keep you down" in some vague, nebulously nefarious way.

So instead of trying to actually soberly and maturely take on your own very real material problems in life, you're instead wasting your fucking time and energy LARPing as some "pro-cis/white/male revolutionary" against the tyrannical "woke" forces of the Alphabet Mafia or whatnot. Over little more at stake than a bunch of fucking schlock children's TV shows and comics no less. The term "manchild" was literally INVENTED expressly for people just like you and the idiots you're listening to.

And your activity as such primarily consists of... telling women, black, brown, and queer people - some of the most systematically powerless and abused people on the planet right now - that they have had things too good for too long and saying some of the most vile, dehumanizing things imaginable to them. Now mind you, at a time when they're dealing with some of the worst, most existentially horrifying real world issues that are directly threatening their lives no less. Many of which puts them in a vulnerable, powerless place in life that probably isn't THAT fucking dissimilar from where YOU'RE at right now.

And I get it: it makes you feel "powerful". It makes you feel "smarter than the other sheeple" around you. It makes you feel like even SLIGHTLY less of the total fucking loser in life that you in fact actually are in reality. But that's ALL this is: its a "feeling". Its NOT reality. And as I recall, there was some conservative asshat (spouting much of the bullshit you guys are listening to that's motivating you to act like this) who once famously said (correctly, but for the wrong reasons) "Facts don't care about your feelings."

And the fact is, there is no "Alphabet Mafia". There's no "Kanzenshuu Illuminati". There's no "Woke Agenda". There's just a bunch of struggling, regular-ass people who like a dumb old kids' kung fu cartoon from decades past and who are just trying to make it through the fucking day intact like everyone else is, and who maybe, just maybe, thinks that the world ought to be more fair and even-handed towards people regardless of their skin color, gender, economic strata, or sexuality. God forbid, I know.

And then there's your loser ass living in this idiotic, childish fantasy world (constructed by other delusional loser weirdos across several social media platforms) where no, the biggest problem in life isn't a fast deteriorating ecosystem (that threatens global food and water sources, among other things, on which human survival hinges on), or a cratering economy (that's rendered +80% of us a bunch of minimum wage or jobless sadsacks who can barely afford to survive day to day), or global pandemics, or corporate ownership of seemingly every other facet of life, or eroding democratic freedoms that many have enjoyed or taken for granted for the better part of almost a century at least: no, rather, the biggest problems facing the world right now is the threat of... children's cartoons containing more black and brown and gay characters than they did ten or fifteen years ago.

THIS is the goddamned hill you've chosen to fight and die on in the Year of Our Lord 2024, after Covid and global wars and fascism, and countless lives destroyed, and all the rest. THIS is what the focus of your life is on and what you think most matters?

And based on this idiocy, you're choosing to waste your time - time that COULD be better spent working on your own real life problems - attempting (with varying levels of success) to harass, bully, and intimidate regular-ass people on a silly children's cartoon forum. That's ALL you've been accomplishing these past however many years: wasting your time and making other random, regular people's lives needlessly worse, even if just by a little bit. During a time of dire and serious global crisis for most people no less.

And the final irony: I've listened to these fucking morons go on and on and on and ON endlessly now for the past like 8 fucking years at least about "everything is too woke now" and how "the 80s and 90s and 2000s were the pre-woke days" and so on. In forums and spaces like this one where vapid, empty, and idiotic 80s and 90s children's Television media is worshipped as the be-all, end-all of all creative/artistic endeavors across human history.

Speaking as someone who actually WAS a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s myself and who has vivid, living memories of it (and consequently, has nowhere NEAR the rose-tinted view of the kids' media of the time that so many 2000s kids apparently seem to): Here's the fucking actual reality of what a vast majority of children's media was like back then. From a few 90s kids' franchises that most of these same dipshits utterly worship and cling to as the greatest ever from The Before Times in the Long Long Ago.

That's right: the very 80s and 90s kids' media you worship and hold as so sacred was always some of the wokest of woke shit imaginable. You're just a fucking moron who's too hopelessly stupid to grasp that easily observable and obvious fact. And the fact that all this woke shit being so ever-present in so much of your own beloved childhood media seems to have so utterly and completely failed to make any kind of notable mark or meaningful impression on you as a person simply further goes to prove just how utterly fucking harmless and totally inconsequential it all actually is in the long run.

There's no other or better way of saying it: if you're too dense to grasp that the "woke" shit you claim to hate so much from now has ALWAYS been a thing that's ALWAYS been ever-present in your own childhood media from 20, 30, even 40 fucking years ago, that it has had absolutely ZERO meaningful impact on yourself or your life, and that you've basically been warped and brainwashed by other morons in online echo-chambers into stalking and harassing regular-ass random people who aren't much different from you for basically no fucking reason whatsoever...

...you are just objectively and irrefutably among the dumbest, most easily brainwashed, and most gullible sacks of shit who are currently walking the planet.

And no, Japan's 80s and 90s cartoons in plenty of cases, weren't much different back then either. Again, you're just a sheltered, overly-coddled idiot. Cope.

Point being: all this bullshit does absolutely fucking NOTHING to meaningfully affect your life in any way whatsoever. All it does is completely waste time and make OTHER people's lives needlessly worse for essentially zero gain on your end other than a completely imaginary dopamine rush.

You've basically just let yourself be talked into becoming a common, garden variety dumbfuck bully and bigoted weirdo all for essentially no good or justifiable reason at all: into becoming exactly the kind of needlessly cruel and detestable shithead that your very own childhood heroes that you claim to worship still to this day (be it Superman, Batman, Captain America, Spider-Man, the X-Men, the Power Rangers, or whom the fuck ever) had spent so many hours of your childhood trying to warn you about and compel you not to become anything like.

In other words, this is precisely who you've let yourself become:



Just pathetic, moronic, and needlessly hurtful.

Be better. Be different. Grow the fuck up. Smarten the fuck up. Stop being so goddamned pathetic, gullible, and self-pitying. Stop listening to other neckbeardo morons on social media with anime Waifu body pillows or whatnot. Read a goddamned actual, for-real grown-ass book for adults about history or something that's in any way meaningful. Allow me to cordially and formally invite you back to worrying about your own fucking life out here in the real goddamned world.

I cannot put this any more soberly, directly, matter-of-factly, or simply than this. At this point, either you understand 2+2=4 or you don't and maybe never will. And that's beyond sad and tragic. Genuinely and sincerely heartbreaking and needlessly awful, both for yourself and moreover for the people you'll continue to hurt.

Come the fuck back to grounded reality, stop LARPing nonsense on the internet, take reality and adulthood/personal maturity WAY more seriously, and focus on the shit in life that matters most: which is your own immediate life problems, serious actually life-threatening problems in general and not petty-ass bullshit, and just the general physical, mental, and emotional wellbeing of yourself and those closes to you and around you, as well as just other regular people out there in general.

[Vegetto95]

And the final irony: I've listened to these fucking morons go on and on and on and ON endlessly now for the past like 8 fucking years at least about "everything is too woke now" and how "the 80s and 90s and 2000s were the pre-woke days" and so on. In forums and spaces like this one where vapid, empty, and idiotic 80s and 90s children's Television media is worshipped as the be-all, end-all of all creative/artistic endeavors across human history.

Speaking as someone who actually WAS a kid growing up in the 80s and 90s myself and who has vivid, living memories of it (and consequently, has nowhere NEAR the rose-tinted view of the kids' media of the time that so many 2000s kids apparently seem to): Here's the fucking actual reality of what a vast majority of children's media was like back then. From a few 90s kids' franchises that most of these same dipshits utterly worship and cling to as the greatest ever from The Before Times in the Long Long Ago.

That's right: the very 80s and 90s kids' media you worship and hold as so sacred was always some of the wokest of woke shit imaginable. You're just a fucking moron who's too hopelessly stupid to grasp that easily observable and obvious fact. And the fact that all this woke shit being so ever-present in so much of your own beloved childhood media seems to have so utterly and completely failed to make any kind of notable mark or meaningful impression on you as a person simply further goes to prove just how utterly fucking harmless and totally inconsequential it all actually is in the long run.

There's no other or better way of saying it: if you're too dense to grasp that the "woke" shit you claim to hate so much from now has ALWAYS been a thing that's ALWAYS been ever-present in your own childhood media from 20, 30, even 40 fucking years ago, that it has had absolutely ZERO meaningful impact on yourself or your life, and that you've basically been warped and brainwashed by other morons in online echo-chambers into stalking and harassing regular-ass random people who aren't much different from you for basically no fucking reason whatsoever...

...you are just objectively and irrefutably among the dumbest, most easily brainwashed, and most gullible sacks of shit who are currently walking the planet.

This may be a bit unnecessary since it doesn't really add much to what you said (I definitely think you covered all your bases on the subject), but it does make me think of one of the 90s cartoons that these insufferable alt-right, "anti-woke" sewer dwellers tend to practically WORSHIP and EXALT as "just SOOOO dark and mature and amazingly well-written!!!" above just about all others sans perhaps Batman: The Animated Series... Gargoyles. Gargoyles had a main female lead who was half black and half Native American, and was a kickass, take names police detective (in other words what they would mockingly describe as a totem "sTrOnG fEmAlE cHaRaCtEr"). Oh, and she ends up in a literal interspecies romance with the purple skinned gargoyle main character.

Let's be real... I've unfortunately seen WAY more of these people than I would ever have cared to (hell, I'm not someone who's chronically online to any degree, and when I am I tend to stay FAR away from social media interactions as best I can... and yet, I still end up seeing these "everything's so woke now!!" fools ALL over the place... and sadly have encountered several of them IRL... ), and I goddamn GUARANTEE you that if that show had first aired in say, 2019 rather than 1994... these same right-wing manchildren who worship it as an infallible pillar of their gilded, sacred childhoods would HATE it for being "WOKE!!!" because of Elisa Maza (and I'm SURE, since he's a rich white businessman, they would have made up some bullshit about how "David Xanatos is being used as a stand-in by the writers for Trump because they hate Our Glorious Leader!!"). And it's just BEYOND pathetic.

And beyond just being pathetic... it's honestly just downright SCARY. Even when it just comes to YouTube alone, horrible bigots like TheQuartering, YellowFlash 2, Geeks & Gamers, Comic Artists Pro Secrets, World Class Bullshitters, The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, Clownfish TV, and SOOO many others all share a fucking hive mind... they're all 40+ year old men who have exposed themselves to very little that isn't 80s/90s children's cartoons and films or derivatives thereof, and they ALL basically make the same videos about the same subjects at the same time, and yet they ALL have literally MILLIONS of subscribers who tune in daily to hear them rant and rave about how ABSOLUTELY AWFUL it is that some stupid new Disney+ Marvel show has a non-binary half-Paraguayan, half-Cambodian Dreamer main character or some shit like that. These "content creators" have practically formed cults around them (hell, the practically bit is probably completely superfluous at this point), and it's honestly fucking scary, man. The sheer, overwhelming number of literal grown adults who spend an unhealthy amount of time either obsessing over and complaining about, or listening to other grown adults obsess over and complain about the "dIvErSiTy" boogeyman in literal children's media is just downright unsettling.

[LoganForkHands73]

Why has a pro wrestling call-out ("VegettoEX! YOU'RE GOIN' DOWN BRUTHUR!") thread from a year ago suddenly been necroed with an absolute verbal-murder ultra combo from Kunzaits #1 and #2

[Cure Dragon 255]

Why has a pro wrestling call-out ("VegettoEX! YOU'RE GOIN' DOWN BRUTHUR!") thread from a year ago suddenly been necroed with an absolute verbal-murder ultra combo from Kunzaits #1 and #2

Because I bumped it a short while ago, but then removed my post and made it into a thread of its own.

[LoganForkHands73]

Why has a pro wrestling call-out ("VegettoEX! YOU'RE GOIN' DOWN BRUTHUR!") thread from a year ago suddenly been necroed with an absolute verbal-murder ultra combo from Kunzaits #1 and #2

Because I bumped it a short while ago, but then removed my post and made it into a thread of its own.

Ah come 'ere, Cure, ya crazy character

[Cure Dragon 255]

Why has a pro wrestling call-out ("VegettoEX! YOU'RE GOIN' DOWN BRUTHUR!") thread from a year ago suddenly been necroed with an absolute verbal-murder ultra combo from Kunzaits #1 and #2

Because I bumped it a short while ago, but then removed my post and made it into a thread of its own.

Ah come 'ere, Cure, ya crazy character

Awwwwwwwwwwww this made my day. Thank you!

[Vegetto95]

Why has a pro wrestling call-out ("VegettoEX! YOU'RE GOIN' DOWN BRUTHUR!") thread from a year ago suddenly been necroed with an absolute verbal-murder ultra combo from Kunzaits #1 and #2

I will never not find it hilarious (and somewhat flattering if I'm being honest, I love Kunzait's posts lol) that multiple people on here have looked at my regular writing style and have come away basically seeing me as Kunzait, Jr.

And I ain't trying to copy him whatsoever, the way I write is just the way I've ALWAYS written for the last 15 years at least since I was a functioning teenager; multiple paragraphs, overuse of all caps and parentheses, and all lmao

[LoganForkHands73]

I will never not find it hilarious (and somewhat flattering if I'm being honest, I love Kunzait's posts lol) that multiple people on here have looked at my regular writing style and have come away basically seeing me as Kunzait, Jr.

And I ain't trying to copy him whatsoever, the way I write is just the way I've ALWAYS written for the last 15 years at least since I was a functioning teenager; multiple paragraphs, overuse of all caps and parentheses, and all lmao

Look I ain't saying anyone's copying anyone, just that I wouldn't want to be on the wrong side of a tag-team rant But if I see a post on Kanzenshuu with the features you're describing, my first assumption will usually be that it's from him, he has the patent on that shit.