DBS Anime Future

[Jord]

FighterZ got three GT character, yet they skipped Super Saiyan 4 Goku to give us a hybrid of GT Goku and Dragon Ball Goku that no one liked because GT fans wanted Super Saiyan 4 and Dragon Ball fans wanted the actual Kid Goku.

To say that "nobody" liked Kid Goku is kind of a broad statement. Do you base this on Internet opinions, which is usually a vocal minority or do you have sale figures of the Kid Goku DLC to back this up? After all, sales ultimately tell us how successful a DLC is.

They brought Baby, but no Omega Shenron, and Baby is honestly half-ass since he has almost no interesting inactions with other characters and almost everyone has generic quotes with him.

Calling him a half-ass seems like a personal opinion. He had few interactions with other characters but did have unique level 3 supers for which they created an entirely new Golden Ape model. Not many characters have a completely new model, just for a Super.

Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is stupidly popular, so him not being in the base game or at least the first wave of DLC and not coming out until the last DLC pack is actually really weird. Like, how the heck did Videl get in before him? Also keep this in mind, there was no GT characters at all in the base game and it took until DLC pack 2 to get GT Goku, while Super got two characters in the base game.

Being a DLC character doesn't say anything about it's popularity. If anything, a company would release more popular characters as DLC since people would be more willing to pay "extra" for those.

GT being closed to forgotten in Japan comes from people online who lives in Japan, a lot of Dokkan and Legends people who also dips into Dragon Ball Heroes merch. Outside of the Super Saiyan 4s and to a much lesser extent Omega, you don't find too much GT related stuff. There is also the Dragon Ball Super Card Game where 90% of anything related to GT is actually from Heroes. For the lack of better words, Heroes has been keeping GT alive for at least a decade.

This is also how I learned that the Japanese are honestly not that big on things past the Namek Saga.

What people are you talking about? How large is the group of people that are online and live in Japan that supposedly say that GT is forgotten? What is the actual source?
While the show itself has ended long ago, it's popular enough to get a recent run in Saikyou Jump. If people would dislike the adaption, it would get yanked out of Jump before it could end it's run.

[HeroR]

FighterZ got three GT character, yet they skipped Super Saiyan 4 Goku to give us a hybrid of GT Goku and Dragon Ball Goku that no one liked because GT fans wanted Super Saiyan 4 and Dragon Ball fans wanted the actual Kid Goku.

To say that "nobody" liked Kid Goku is kind of a broad statement. Do you base this on Internet opinions, which is usually a vocal minority or do you have sale figures of the Kid Goku DLC to back this up? After all, sales ultimately tell us how successful a DLC is.

They brought Baby, but no Omega Shenron, and Baby is honestly half-ass since he has almost no interesting inactions with other characters and almost everyone has generic quotes with him.

Calling him a half-ass seems like a personal opinion. He had few interactions with other characters but did have unique level 3 supers for which they created an entirely new Golden Ape model. Not many characters have a completely new model, just for a Super.

Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is stupidly popular, so him not being in the base game or at least the first wave of DLC and not coming out until the last DLC pack is actually really weird. Like, how the heck did Videl get in before him? Also keep this in mind, there was no GT characters at all in the base game and it took until DLC pack 2 to get GT Goku, while Super got two characters in the base game.

Being a DLC character doesn't say anything about it's popularity. If anything, a company would release more popular characters as DLC since people would be more willing to pay "extra" for those.

GT being closed to forgotten in Japan comes from people online who lives in Japan, a lot of Dokkan and Legends people who also dips into Dragon Ball Heroes merch. Outside of the Super Saiyan 4s and to a much lesser extent Omega, you don't find too much GT related stuff. There is also the Dragon Ball Super Card Game where 90% of anything related to GT is actually from Heroes. For the lack of better words, Heroes has been keeping GT alive for at least a decade.

This is also how I learned that the Japanese are honestly not that big on things past the Namek Saga.

What people are you talking about? How large is the group of people that are online and live in Japan that supposedly say that GT is forgotten? What is the actual source?
While the show itself has ended long ago, it's popular enough to get a recent run in Saikyou Jump. If people would dislike the adaption, it would get yanked out of Jump before it could end it's run.

When people say ‘nobody likes’ it’s usually hyperbolical. It’s just an exaggerated way of saying a lot of people didn’t like GT Goku for the reasons I named. GT fans wanted Super Saiyan 4 Goku and original Dragon Ball fans like me wanted Kid Goku. Sells for GT Goku are also skewed by the fact that he was the best character in the game by a counter mile for all Season 2 to the point he got the nickname ‘the Rat’. But after he was nerf, he disappeared from casual play.

It’s commonly agreed that while Baby’s move set is fun and well-done, he has almost no inactions with any characters and gets generic quotes from other characters. Including GT Goku who is his rival. Which makes him feels disappointing since part of the fun is seeing how characters interact with one another. People had this same issue with Cooler and 17, and this issue was fixed with them. It never was with Baby the last I checked.

Not true since if it was pure popularity for DLC, Videl wouldn’t be one of them, especially over Mr. Satan. Or the last character in the third DLC wave. Even odder, Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta seemed like a very late addition since if he was always planned, why did Gogeta Blue get some of his moves? It definitely wasn’t from a lack of reference material. That and it’s generally agreed that Gogeta’s Lv1 Super is ugly.

It isn’t about a large group. It’s the fact that it’s different people, but they’re all saying the same thing and these are people who have been part of the Dragon Ball community for at least a decade. While it’s impossible to know the thoughts and feels of everyone in Japan, these people do give a glimpse into what’s going on. Like when Kakarot skipped the Final Flash, they explained it was because Super Vegeta is a memed in Japan.

“ While the show itself has ended long ago, it's popular enough to get a recent run in Saikyou Jump.”

Because a) Super Saiyan 4 (I’m not kidding when I saw they love this form and Gogeta), b) it’s still Dragon Ball and thanks to Super all things Dragon Ball has increased in popularity, and c) Dragon Ball Heroes legit had done a lot to keep GT in people’s minds in Japan. You have to remember, Heroes is over a decade old and completely overshadowed Kai when it was on the air. It was carrying the torch of Dragon Ball before Battle of Gods was a thing. So while GT itself is considered forgettable, they love what Heroes have done with GT material.

[omaro34]

The conclusion of the ToP arc in Anime actually works as a conclusion to the whole Super. The ToP arc was a very high stake arc about the fate of entire universes and Goku attained a form that even the Destroyer Gods cannot reach despite millions of years of training. This works as a conclusion to Super, this is the kind of climax that final arc needs. Moro and Granolah arcs are are unnecessary.

I wouldn't mind if new series started right from End of Z and I also wouldn't mind if they simply skipped Moro and Granolah arcs. Like others said, nothing of value would be lost.

Super Hero movie already ignores Moro and Granolah arcs and comes very close to End of Z time.

Nothing was high stakes with Super since it’s before the 28th world tournament unfortunately

[ZombieVito]

The conclusion of the ToP arc in Anime actually works as a conclusion to the whole Super. The ToP arc was a very high stake arc about the fate of entire universes and Goku attained a form that even the Destroyer Gods cannot reach despite millions of years of training. This works as a conclusion to Super, this is the kind of climax that final arc needs. Moro and Granolah arcs are are unnecessary.

I wouldn't mind if new series started right from End of Z and I also wouldn't mind if they simply skipped Moro and Granolah arcs. Like others said, nothing of value would be lost.

Super Hero movie already ignores Moro and Granolah arcs and comes very close to End of Z time.

Nothing was high stakes with Super since it’s before the 28th world tournament unfortunately

The Zamasu arc was.

[Grimlock]

Future Trunks saga also takes place before the tournament and in another timeline, which means whatever happens there won't affect the "end of Z" and the present timeline. Even if Trunks had died and his Universe destroyed, it would have meant nothing. Well, the latter did happen, yet the characters were all chilling, living their lives by the last panels of the manga (just saddened that Goku would leave them to train with a boy).

Why do people like to say that there were high stakes knowing that all of this take place before the tournament? And honestly, even these events happened after it, who would be naive enough to still believe the Universes wouldn't be restored by the end of Universe Survival saga? The closest they came to something relatively "groundbreaking" was in Universe 6 saga, where if Universe 7 had lost, Earth would have ended up in Universe 6. But because there's a status quo to be kept...

There are no "high stakes" in Dragon Ball Super, it is a midquel. Either everything will be fine in the end, or whatever "permanent" tragedy that can happen, will happen in another timeline or Universe. The present timeline of Universe 7 is safe, it will always be safe. There is no reason to fool yourself otherwise.

[SupremeKai25]

The conclusion of the ToP arc in Anime actually works as a conclusion to the whole Super. The ToP arc was a very high stake arc about the fate of entire universes and Goku attained a form that even the Destroyer Gods cannot reach despite millions of years of training. This works as a conclusion to Super, this is the kind of climax that final arc needs. Moro and Granolah arcs are are unnecessary.

I wouldn't mind if new series started right from End of Z and I also wouldn't mind if they simply skipped Moro and Granolah arcs. Like others said, nothing of value would be lost.

Super Hero movie already ignores Moro and Granolah arcs and comes very close to End of Z time.

Nothing was high stakes with Super since it’s before the 28th world tournament unfortunately

You did not know if Future Trunks would have a happy ending in End of Z, you did not know if he really brought peace back to his timeline, you did not know if he would defeat Zamasu (because we had no info on him or his timeline by End of Z).

Indeed, we see that, in the end, Trunks failed utterly to defend his timeline and all was erased by Zamasu and Zeno.

So actually the Future Trunks saga had massive stakes, like the old DBZ arcs. Because you did not know if Trunks would win. There is no evidence in End of Z that Trunks' timeline was at peace. Now we know that in End of Z his timeline is erased.

The Future Trunks saga of DBS is like the Frieza/Cell/Buu arcs of DBZ. You do not know if the protagonist will win, midquel or not. Because End of Z gives no information on Future Trunks' timeline.

[kemuri07]

Future Trunks saga also takes place before the tournament and in another timeline, which means whatever happens there won't affect the "end of Z" and the present timeline. Even if Trunks had died and his Universe destroyed, it would have meant nothing. Well, the latter did happen, yet the characters were all chilling, living their lives by the last panels of the manga (just saddened that Goku would leave them to train with a boy).

Why do people like to say that there were high stakes knowing that all of this take place before the tournament? And honestly, even these events happened after it, who would be naive enough to still believe the Universes wouldn't be restored by the end of Universe Survival saga? The closest they came to something relatively "groundbreaking" was in Universe 6 saga, where if Universe 7 had lost, Earth would have ended up in Universe 6. But because there's a status quo to be kept...

There are no "high stakes" in Dragon Ball Super, it is a midquel. Either everything will be fine in the end, or whatever "permanent" tragedy that can happen, will happen in another timeline or Universe. The present timeline of Universe 7 is safe, it will always be safe. There is no reason to fool yourself otherwise.

This is the reason why Super will never move past EoZ. By placing all of its nonsense in between the end of Buu arc and EoZ, nothing that happens actually matters because at the end of the day: EoZ is still canon.

[Toxin45]

Future Trunks saga also takes place before the tournament and in another timeline, which means whatever happens there won't affect the "end of Z" and the present timeline. Even if Trunks had died and his Universe destroyed, it would have meant nothing. Well, the latter did happen, yet the characters were all chilling, living their lives by the last panels of the manga (just saddened that Goku would leave them to train with a boy).

Why do people like to say that there were high stakes knowing that all of this take place before the tournament? And honestly, even these events happened after it, who would be naive enough to still believe the Universes wouldn't be restored by the end of Universe Survival saga? The closest they came to something relatively "groundbreaking" was in Universe 6 saga, where if Universe 7 had lost, Earth would have ended up in Universe 6. But because there's a status quo to be kept...

There are no "high stakes" in Dragon Ball Super, it is a midquel. Either everything will be fine in the end, or whatever "permanent" tragedy that can happen, will happen in another timeline or Universe. The present timeline of Universe 7 is safe, it will always be safe. There is no reason to fool yourself otherwise.

This is the reason why Super will never move past EoZ. By placing all of its nonsense in between the end of Buu arc and EoZ, nothing that happens actually matters because at the end of the day: EoZ is still canon.

Superhero is already one year before end of z so next arc will likely be set after it

[Grimlock]

This is the reason why Super will never move past EoZ. By placing all of its nonsense in between the end of Buu arc and EoZ, nothing that happens actually matters because at the end of the day: EoZ is still canon.

I don't know if that's the case, it's a possibility, for sure. I think we are stuck in this time frame because Toriyama, somehow, remembers when he said that instead of moving forward, he would prefer to go back a little. He forgets a lot of things these days, too bad he didn't forget this particular preference.

Unless this was the intention from the beginning, to set it in that time frame so that they could play safe through the entire of it...

Superhero is already one year before end of z so next arc will likely be set after it

Please stop. I thought you took the hint with my little joke before, but apparently not. You're misinformed (no wonder, considering your "source") and here you are spreading it. Until we have concrete evidence, what you're saying is wrong.

[Toxin45]

This is the reason why Super will never move past EoZ. By placing all of its nonsense in between the end of Buu arc and EoZ, nothing that happens actually matters because at the end of the day: EoZ is still canon.

I don't know if that's the case, it's a possibility, for sure. I think we are stuck in this time frame because Toriyama, somehow, remembers when he said that instead of moving forward, he would prefer to go back a little. He forgets a lot of things these days, too bad he didn't forget this particular preference.

Unless this was the intention from the beginning, to set it in that time frame so that they could play safe through the entire of it...

Superhero is already one year before end of z so next arc will likely be set after it

Please stop. I thought you took the hint with my little joke before, but apparently not. You're misinformed (no wonder, considering your "source") and here you are spreading it. Until we have concrete evidence, what you're saying is wrong.

Look up twitter for the timeline interview

https://twitter.com/DbsHype/status/1598 ... nfirmed%2F

[Grimlock]

There's nothing in that link that backs up your claim. And if you're referring to "right before the final chapter", AGE 782 is, by all intents and purposes, right before the final chapter.

[Toxin45]

There's nothing in that link that backs up your claim. And if you're referring to "right before the final chapter", AGE 782 is, by all intents and purposes, right before the final chapter.

So the 28th is set in the year 783 then?

[Grimlock]

Nope. The tournament still takes place in AGE 784. The movie still occurs in AGE 782. Pan was still born in AGE 779. And there's a very, very simple solution to our little problem here. Think you can guess what the solution is?

[Toxin45]

so isn't pan 3 years old like next arc is gonna be a time skip at least 3-5 years after superhero
https://twitter.com/SupaChronicles/stat ... evealed%2F

like just two more years and with time we will get to the end of z or after it.

[SSJgogeto]

I think we are in the realm of speculation here.

Pan is 3 years old in the movie and 4 years old when Z ends, so while it's still technically possible that about two years passed between these two events, as far as I know there's nothing that proves this possibility. So in my view both have a chance of being right, at least for now.

About me, until we have some real proof my train of thought is more aligned with Toxin's, with some small differences: Pan was born in 782, Super Hero happened in 785 and EoZ happened in 786, if the calcs I saw are right.

Oh yeah, about the anime: I hope the leakers are correct and it returns next year.

[Grimlock]

Pan is 3 years old in the movie and 4 years old when Z ends, so while it's still technically possible that about two years passed between these two events, as far as I know there's nothing that proves this possibility.

Then you need to expand your knowledge. Allow me to do that:

• This booklet places Movie 15 in AGE 779 (more on that here).
• Xenoverse 2 places Movie 15 in AGE 779.
• Chozenshuu places Movie 15 in AGE 779.

Three different sources stating the same thing... Well, let's see more:

• Daizenshuu states Pan was born in AGE 779.
• Dragon Ball Online states Pan's age (twice) (if you do the math, you'll discover her birth year is AGE 779, in both occasions).
• This booklet states Pan was born in AGE 779 (more on that here).

And if we go and watch Movie 15 right now, there Pan is! What a coincidence, don't you think? So, with all these evidences, as far as you know from now on, there's a lot proving this possibility.

So in my view both have a chance of being right, at least for now. So in my view both have a chance of being right, at least for now

You are correct. There is a chance that Dragon Ball Super Super Hero takes place in AGE 783, but that is what we actually need evidences for. As of this moment, there's nothing even suggesting that to be the case. Anything like:

• The tournament will take place next year.
• Celebration of Pan's fourth birthday.
• Goku will find a mysterious opponent in the coming year.

Any hint like that would suggest that the movie occurs in AGE 783, but we don't have that. So, for now, AGE 782 is the only correct answer.

About me, until we have some real proof my train of thought is more aligned with Toxin's, with some small differences: Pan was born in 782, Super Hero happened in 785 and EoZ happened in 786, if the calcs I saw are right.

Oh, but we do have "real proof". Normally I wouldn't give a response to this, it is your opinion and you're entitled to it. But since I'm at it anyway, let's see if your timeline and calculation work:

• AGE 782 - Pan is born.
• AGE 781 - Around nine months prior is where Movie 14 takes place, as Videl is pregnant.
• AGE 777 - Majin Buu saga takes place.
• AGE 770 - Cell saga takes place.
• AGE 767 - Early part of Cell saga takes place.

Trunks says he comes from twenty years in the future, so that would be AGE 787. Then, there's an eight-month timeskip in his timeline , while in the present, three years passed. It is AGE 770 in the present, AGE 788 in the future (the year changed during the eight-month timeskip, according to what is known).

Trunks says that Cell came three years ahead of the year in his timeline (source above), so that would mean he came from AGE 791.

Uh... Would you look at that. Someone is contradicting the manga. Why is AGE 791 the year Cell came from in your timeline when Trunks explicitly says that he came from AGE 788 in the manga? And all of this is taking into consideration the timeskips we know about (like the four-year gap between Majin Buu saga and Movie 14, for example), but something tells me you don't consider even those, which then would mean your entire timeline is arbitrary and in complete contradiction, not only with everything we know, but with the year stated in the manga (which, by the way, the timeline as we know it was based on the year stated in the manga. Something I'd advise to keep in mind).

You sure you don't want to stick to what's been officially established and work with that instead?


(I have to ask, wouldn't be much simpler if we all just accept that Pan is four years old during the tournament and that she will turn five at some point after that particular event? Why is there so much hesitation and debate on this when the solution is so simple?).

[SSJgogeto]

That's easy to answer: just because it looks simple to you doesn't mean it's simple to everyone else.

Any hint like that would suggest that the movie occurs in AGE 783, but we don't have that. So, for now, AGE 782 is the only correct answer.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Your arguments still don't invalidate the other option.

let's see if your timeline and calculation work:

• AGE 782 - Pan is born.
• AGE 781 - Around nine months prior is where Movie 14 takes place, as Videl is pregnant.
• AGE 777 - Majin Buu saga takes place.
• AGE 770 - Cell saga takes place.
• AGE 767 - Early part of Cell saga takes place.

The calcs I saw are more like this:

• AGE 782 - Pan is born.
• AGE 781, probably - Around nine months prior is where Movie 14 takes place, as Videl is pregnant.
• AGE 776 - Majin Buu saga takes place.
• AGE 768 - Cell saga takes place.
• AGE 765 - Early part of Cell saga takes place.

Trunks comes from seventeen years in the future, so that would be AGE 785 (782 in his first travel); as you have already shown, Cell came from 788 (to 764). And before you ask something, I believe in the "one day pass here, one day pass in the future" theory. I think Toyotaro have the same beliefs.

So no, the timeline I saw isn't arbitrary or contraditory, it's just based on a different interpretation. And yeah, I'll stick with this.

[Grimlock]

That's easy to answer: just because it looks simple to you doesn't mean it's simple to everyone else.

Yeah, but when it comes to Pan's age and the time placement of these events, we are literally dealing with: 1 + 1, 2 + 1, 3 + 1... I refuse to believe this level of math is not simple for anyone in this forum.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Your arguments still don't invalidate the other option.

Oh no, I can't validate or invalidate what doesn't exist. "AGE 783" is not even an option. See, I haven't seen any evidence for that year yet. So I'm led to believe that those who go for that number only do so for the sake of it. The evidence for AGE 782 is Pan's age, what's the evidence for AGE 783? If you have anything that backs up that date, please post it.

Trunks comes from seventeen years in the future, so that would be AGE 785 (782 in his first travel); as you have already shown, Cell came from 788 (to 764). And before you ask something, I believe in the "one day pass here, one day pass in the future" theory. I think Toyotaro have the same beliefs.

Ah, I see... One of Toriyama's most (in)famous mistakes.

You see, how is it possible that Trunks traveled seventeen years from the beginning, when he himself states he's seventeen years old? ¹ This means that he should've arrived in the present in the same year he was born.² But how can that also be when Trunks himself says he won't be born for another two years? Additionally, let's match Trunks' age to your timeline:

• AGE 782 - 17 = AGE 765. Trunks should have arrived when his present counterpart should've already been born or about to be born.
• AGE 765 + 3 = AGE 768. Present Trunks is supposed to be one year old when Cell saga happens, yet he's three in your timeline? Odd.

¹, ²: Trunks says he's seventeen but he's actually going eighteen: AGE 766 + 18 = AGE 784. If we don't assume this, then it is: AGE 766 + 17 = AGE 783. Which means that in Trunks' first trip, the year in the past should have been AGE 763. There is a unspoken timeskip in between Trunks' defeat by the androids and his departure from the future. In terms of your timeline, this means either Trunks should have arrived in the present in the same year he was born, or one year earlier.

Also, let's not forget that Goten must be one year younger than Trunks, so if you change Trunks' age, Goten's age is automatically affected. With that said, and still following your timeline:

• AGE 765 - Trunks is born.
• AGE 766 - Goten is born.

Goten should have already been born by the time Cell saga happens in your timeline. Let's continue a little bit further: AGE 766 + 7 = AGE 773. Plus the ten-year timeskip between Majin Buu saga and the tournament, AGE 773 + 10 = AGE 783. The 28th tournament occurs one year after Pan is born, also according to your timeline... Spotting a lot of inconsistencies here, why is that?

I will rephrase my question: you sure you still want to stick to Toriyama's error? He's the author, sure, but he's not above mistakes and coming up with contradictory stuff that simply doesn't make any sense. And don't get me started on the fact that you said you follow Toyotaro's own mistake: "one day passes in the present, one day passes in the future", which, surprise, surprise... also contradicts the original manga. Why do you want this to be more complicated than what it already is?

[Toxin45]

That's easy to answer: just because it looks simple to you doesn't mean it's simple to everyone else.

Yeah, but when it comes to Pan's age and the time placement of these events, we are literally dealing with: 1 + 1, 2 + 1, 3 + 1... I refuse to believe this level of math is not simple for anyone in this forum.

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Your arguments still don't invalidate the other option.

Oh no, I can't validate or invalidate what doesn't exist. "AGE 783" is not even an option. See, I haven't seen any evidence for that year yet. So I'm led to believe that those who go for that number only do so for the sake of it. The evidence for AGE 782 is Pan's age, what's the evidence for AGE 783? If you have anything that backs up that date, please post it.

Trunks comes from seventeen years in the future, so that would be AGE 785 (782 in his first travel); as you have already shown, Cell came from 788 (to 764). And before you ask something, I believe in the "one day pass here, one day pass in the future" theory. I think Toyotaro have the same beliefs.

Ah, I see... One of Toriyama's most (in)famous mistakes.

You see, how is it possible that Trunks traveled seventeen years from the beginning, when he himself states he's seventeen years old? ¹ This means that he should've arrived in the present in the same year he was born.² But how can that also be when Trunks himself says he won't be born for another two years? Additionally, let's match Trunks' age to your timeline:

• AGE 782 - 17 = AGE 765. Trunks should have arrived when his present counterpart should've already been born or about to be born.
• AGE 765 + 3 = AGE 768. Present Trunks is supposed to be one year old when Cell saga happens, yet he's three in your timeline? Odd.

¹, ²: Trunks says he's seventeen but he's actually going eighteen: AGE 766 + 18 = AGE 784. If we don't assume this, then it is: AGE 766 + 17 = AGE 783. Which means that in Trunks' first trip, the year in the past should have been AGE 763. There is a unspoken timeskip in between Trunks' defeat by the androids and his departure from the future. In terms of your timeline, this means either Trunks should have arrived in the present in the same year he was born, or one year earlier.

Also, let's not forget that Goten must be one year younger than Trunks, so if you change Trunks' age, Goten's age is automatically affected. With that said, and still following your timeline:

• AGE 765 - Trunks is born.
• AGE 766 - Goten is born.

Goten should have already been born by the time Cell saga happens in your timeline. Let's continue a little bit further: AGE 766 + 7 = AGE 773. Plus the ten-year timeskip between Majin Buu saga and the tournament, AGE 773 + 10 = AGE 783. The 28th tournament occurs one year after Pan is born, also according to your timeline... Spotting a lot of inconsistencies here, why is that?

I will rephrase my question: you sure you still want to stick to Toriyama's error? He's the author, sure, but he's not above mistakes and coming up with contradictory stuff that simply doesn't make any sense. And don't get me started on the fact that you said you follow Toyotaro's own mistake: "one day passes in the present, one day passes in the future", which, surprise, surprise... also contradicts the original manga. Why do you want this to be more complicated than what it already is?

dude toriyama changes things a lot

[SSJgogeto]

You know, I went to check the theory again just to be sure. There's a version 2.0 with Trunks travelling 20 years to the past, and it's more in line with the official one. The first version is still not ruled out though, and considers the possibility that Trunks lied about his age.

Now the timeline would be like this:

• AGE 783 - End of Z.
• AGE 782 - The events of Super Hero happened.
• AGE 779 - Pan is born.
• AGE 778, probably - Around nine months prior is where Movie 14 takes place, as Videl is pregnant.
• AGE 773 - Majin Buu saga takes place.
• AGE 765 - Cell saga takes place.
• AGE 762 - Early part of Cell saga takes place.

By the way, the "one day passes in the present, one day passes in the future" thing still stands. Just because it takes 8 months to charge the time machine doesn't mean Trunks uses it immediately afterwards.