I think it's possible to make a good DB movie without Toriyama. I just mean that it might be seen more as a spinoff than part of the "main" story. Toei and Toyotaro have had comments about how fans are more accepting from Toriyama or something like that. Anything not involving Toriyama is going to be scrutinized more. I think the same if they tried to make an original OP movie after the anime ends. Toei's highest grossing movie is currently the First Slam Dunk but I've heard that was based on the final manga arc so an original Slam Dunk probably wouldn't have done anywhere close to that.Jord wrote: Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:52 amYou would have to have someone at the helm that is both passionate about the property and at the same time would be willing to take chances in order to let the franchise grow. Quality is quality, regardless if the original author's involved or not. If TOEI would bring out a quality DB product, say a movie, without Toriyama's involvement, the boycott would be minimal. Especially since it's a global brand now.
Why is "new" mainline Dragon Ball so stuck in the past?
Re: Why is "new" mainline Dragon Ball so stuck in the past?
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Re: Why is "new" mainline Dragon Ball so stuck in the past?
Because the identity and tropes of Dragon Ball have eclipsed itself.
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Re: Why is "new" mainline Dragon Ball so stuck in the past?
I used to think that the idea of Dragon Ball re-hashing stuff was something that only started with Super, but when you think about it, the last wholly original arc was the 21st Budokai. Everything after that has been a mixture of new stuff and re-hashed elements that's already been seen before.
Re: Why is "new" mainline Dragon Ball so stuck in the past?
I tried to edit my last post, but I can't. Another thing I wanna add:
Dragon Ball re-hashing stuff might not be new, but I can see how it can start to get old after a number of repetitions. Unless you really love the format and it'll never get old to you, then it would be nice to see things get shaken up completely or at least experiment and see what happens. What've we got to lose at this point?
Dragon Ball re-hashing stuff might not be new, but I can see how it can start to get old after a number of repetitions. Unless you really love the format and it'll never get old to you, then it would be nice to see things get shaken up completely or at least experiment and see what happens. What've we got to lose at this point?
Re: Why is "new" mainline Dragon Ball so stuck in the past?
All of our popular media is owned by giant corporations who are incapable of formulating new ideas and function only on the concept of making money by giving people more of a thing they supposedly already liked; the idea that what made that thing special can't be completely replicated is lost on the machine.
It's not a shock that Super Hero is the best thing to come out of the franchise in years due to the series creator auteur being given (mostly) complete control over it, only for the absolute dumbest shit in that movie being its hollow attempt to call back to a plot point from thirty years ago that had a bunch of weird writing problems even back then.
It's not a shock that Super Hero is the best thing to come out of the franchise in years due to the series creator auteur being given (mostly) complete control over it, only for the absolute dumbest shit in that movie being its hollow attempt to call back to a plot point from thirty years ago that had a bunch of weird writing problems even back then.

