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by Majin Buu » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:01 pm
TheRed259 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:58 pm
It's going to look really strange if Vegeta decides to give speeches about pride in this small body.
That's probably what they're going for, specifically for comedic effect.
Taking Vegeta down a peg for comedic effect is standard operating procedure at this point.
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by Hellspawn28 » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:11 pm
If the show is set post-BOG then why is Goku and Vegeta fighting on Earth, and not Beerus planet? It would make more sense to fight there given that they would have more freedom.
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by sangofe » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:36 pm
Majin Buu wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:01 pm
TheRed259 wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:58 pm
It's going to look really strange if Vegeta decides to give speeches about pride in this small body.
That's probably what they're going for, specifically for comedic effect.
Taking Vegeta down a peg for comedic effect is standard operating procedure at this point.
Would be fun with Piccolo, and Satan humor.
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by ZeroNeonix » Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:39 am
Probably not going to be something the show takes into account, but Vegeta was born with a much higher power level than Goku. Although Goku was able to surpass Vegeta through sheer determination and hard work, Vegeta started with an advantage. If this spell making them kids returns them to the power levels they had as kids, which seems to be the case, Vegeta should again be considerably stronger than Goku. In the anime, they're probably going to treat this as the great equalizer, though, similar to the waves from FighterZ that put everyone on an even playing field. Krillin will probably be the same power level as Vegeta. lol
Wouldn't be the end of the world, of course, if this turns out to be the case. I just prefer to have a little consistency.
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by sangofe » Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:42 am
ZeroNeonix wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:39 am
If this spell making them kids returns them to the power levels they had as kids, which seems to be the case,
Can you elaborate on why you think that's the case?
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by ZeroNeonix » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:07 pm
sangofe wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:42 am
ZeroNeonix wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:39 am
If this spell making them kids returns them to the power levels they had as kids, which seems to be the case,
Can you elaborate on why you think that's the case?
The way it is described, it sounds like the show will rely less on ki blasts and transformations, and Goku is back to using the Power Pole. I don't see much of a point to turning everyone into kids if it doesn't affect their power level.
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by Neo-Makaiōshin » Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:50 pm
Another DB Daima illustration by Torotaro.

Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.
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by JulieYBM » Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:20 pm
These designs look much better without the unnecessary highlights and shading. I hope that gets toned down in later footage from the series.
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by WittyUsername » Wed Nov 29, 2023 9:21 pm
ZeroNeonix wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:07 pm
sangofe wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:42 am
ZeroNeonix wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:39 am
If this spell making them kids returns them to the power levels they had as kids, which seems to be the case,
Can you elaborate on why you think that's the case?
The way it is described, it sounds like the show will rely less on ki blasts and transformations, and Goku is back to using the Power Pole. I don't see much of a point to turning everyone into kids if it doesn't affect their power level.
In other words, they’re going by the initial idea for
GT by scaling back the action and the insane power levels, but actually committing to it this time?
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by Shaddy » Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:54 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:20 pm
These designs look much better without the unnecessary highlights and shading. I hope that gets toned down in later footage from the series.
It's Nakatsuru so uhh. No.
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by JulieYBM » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:46 pm
Shaddy wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:54 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:20 pm
These designs look much better without the unnecessary highlights and shading. I hope that gets toned down in later footage from the series.
It's Nakatsuru so uhh. No.
If only they had brought in Tate Naoki.




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by dragonballhero » Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:48 pm
Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:50 pm
Another DB Daima illustration by Torotaro.
Okay, I have to wonder... does anyone else think it's... possible Toyo might do with Daima what he did RoF?
That is to say, he won't cover EVERYTHING, but just a preview of how exactly Goku, Vegeta, and the others got into their current predicament?
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by sangofe » Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:11 am
ZeroNeonix wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 12:07 pm
sangofe wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:42 am
ZeroNeonix wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 3:39 am
If this spell making them kids returns them to the power levels they had as kids, which seems to be the case,
Can you elaborate on why you think that's the case?
The way it is described, it sounds like the show will rely less on ki blasts and transformations, and Goku is back to using the Power Pole. I don't see much of a point to turning everyone into kids if it doesn't affect their power level.
Weakening them is one thing but I don't see why Goku should become as weak as he was in DB. There's no mention about the levels of the power levels.
Shaddy wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 10:54 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:20 pm
These designs look much better without the unnecessary highlights and shading. I hope that gets toned down in later footage from the series.
It's Nakatsuru so uhh. No.
I lovs the highlights and shading personally. Always been a fan.
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by Shaddy » Thu Nov 30, 2023 7:26 am
sangofe wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:11 am
I lovs the highlights and shading personally. Always been a fan.
It probably won't look as bad as Yamamuro's, but everything I dislike about his style started in GT.
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by Mr Baggins » Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:33 am
sangofe wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:11 am
I lovs the highlights and shading personally. Always been a fan.
Same here. For me, Nakatsuru stylistically folds animators like Tate or Shida any day of the week.
This is doubly true when it comes to translating Toriyama's designs to reference sheets for the staff. I'm not sure there's a better person for that job than him.
dragonballhero wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 11:48 pm
Okay, I have to wonder... does anyone else think it's... possible Toyo might do with Daima what he did RoF?
Doubt it, but we'll see. I'd rather Toyotaro stay on Super at this point.
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by JulieYBM » Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:38 am
I really wish Tate was the animation character designer because it would have helped with the animation quality a lot, but also because Toei Animation has been basically screwing him on projects since his old run on One Piece ended and they stopped letting him do the dramatic style he did like in Episode of Chopper or his last few episodes as animation supervisor. I think that would have really given Daima a special look and feel. Instead we're just going to get More of the Same from a guy whose never really been an exciting animator or designer.
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by DragonBalllKaiHD » Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:37 am
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:38 am
I really wish Tate was the animation character designer because it would have helped with the animation quality a lot, but also because Toei Animation has been basically screwing him on projects since his old run on One Piece ended and they stopped letting him do the dramatic style he did like in Episode of Chopper or his last few episodes as animation supervisor. I think that would have really given Daima a special look and feel. Instead we're just going to get More of the Same from a guy whose never really been an exciting animator or designer.
If there’s any consolation, Tate will be able to have time animating exciting cuts. With a better production schedule this time around, we will be able to see what Tate could do in a Dragon Ball project, unlike in Super. That is, if he’s not busy with other project.
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by AliTheZombie13 » Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:35 pm
I was pretty optimistic about Daima having Toriyama's heavy supervision.
But then I heard it was going to have Digimon 2020 and Dragon Ball Super's producers/directors/writers, and uh...
Even with Toriyama's involvement, I am now extremely worried about the series' quality.
I really hope it won't be as bad as those two.
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by JulieYBM » Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:04 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:35 pm
I was pretty optimistic about Daima having Toriyama's heavy supervision.
But then I heard it was going to have Digimon 2020 and Dragon Ball Super's producers/directors/writers, and uh...
Even with Toriyama's involvement, I am now extremely worried about the series' quality.
I really hope it won't be as bad as those two.
Dragon Ball Super had, like, three months of pre-production and zero animators to work with. Daima will have had over 20 months of pre-production before it is released.
It's going to be far better than Dragon Ball Super.
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by AliTheZombie13 » Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:28 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 9:04 pm
AliTheZombie13 wrote: Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:35 pm
I was pretty optimistic about Daima having Toriyama's heavy supervision.
But then I heard it was going to have Digimon 2020 and Dragon Ball Super's producers/directors/writers, and uh...
Even with Toriyama's involvement, I am now extremely worried about the series' quality.
I really hope it won't be as bad as those two.
Dragon Ball Super had, like, three months of pre-production and zero animators to work with. Daima will have had over 20 months of pre-production before it is released.
It's going to be far better than Dragon Ball Super.
Animation is not the issue. Have you watched Digimon 2020? The writing is atrocious, every episode is just "There's no story, things just happen, because that's what kids might find cool." (Words from the producers themselves) And a lot of Super has that problem as well.
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