Dragonball Movie Update! What is UP with this?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:17 am

I find it funny how devoted the live action movie fans are. If the news came out that Goku was going to be a transsexual hooker who meets Roshi for sexual purposes and ends up becoming a Pokemon master they would probably find a way to tell us that those changes were 100% needed, creative and mind blowingly awesome.

The movie will never be "bad" to those people because they're trying to convince themselves so hard it doesn't suck. The movie could be a complete flop and they would cry "It's your fault, fans aren't open minded enough to accept this films brilliance!" To be honest that is just as bad as the other extreme member on this forum who is against the live action movie...these people just have better spelling/grammar.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:22 am

NeptuneKai wrote:I find it funny how devoted the live action movie fans are. If the news came out that Goku was going to be a transsexual hooker who meets Roshi for sexual purposes and ends up becoming a Pokemon master they would probably find a way to tell us that those changes were 100% needed, creative and mind blowingly awesome.

The movie will never be "bad" to those people because they're trying to convince themselves so hard it doesn't suck. The movie could be a complete flop and they would cry "It's your fault, fans aren't open minded enough to accept this films brilliance!" To be honest that is just as bad as the other extreme member on this forum who is against the live action movie...these people just have better spelling/grammar.

I think you're exaggerating juuuuuuuuust a little bit. I think some of the changes are downright stupid (hello, high school setting), but I'm going to have to see the movie- hell, a trailer, before I jump on the whole "this movie is the worst thing that has ever happened to me~~!!" train.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:25 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I find it funny how devoted the live action movie fans are. If the news came out that Goku was going to be a transsexual hooker who meets Roshi for sexual purposes and ends up becoming a Pokemon master they would probably find a way to tell us that those changes were 100% needed, creative and mind blowingly awesome.

The movie will never be "bad" to those people because they're trying to convince themselves so hard it doesn't suck. The movie could be a complete flop and they would cry "It's your fault, fans aren't open minded enough to accept this films brilliance!" To be honest that is just as bad as the other extreme member on this forum who is against the live action movie...these people just have better spelling/grammar.
I think you're exaggerating juuuuuuuuust a little bit. I think some of the changes are downright stupid (hello, high school setting), but I'm going to have to see the movie- hell, a trailer, before I jump on the whole "this movie is the worst thing that has ever happened to me~~!!" train.

I'm not even stating this movie is the "worst thing that's happened to me" I couldn't care less about whether it comes out or not, but people need to accept how true it stays to the Dragonball story. That doesn't mean you can't like it but don't convince yourself this movie is an accurate representation of Dragonball. The film may as well be called "stereotypical action movie no.35753".

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:26 am

And the funny thing is, it's the "positive" people that are the most argumentative.

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NeptuneKai wrote: I'm not even stating this movie is the "worst thing that's happened to me" I couldn't care less about whether it comes out or not, but people need to accept how true it stays to the Dragonball story. That doesn't mean you can't like it but don't convince yourself this movie is an accurate representation of Dragonball. It may as well be called "stereotypical action movie no.35753".

My thoughts exactly, in my eyes, as an adaption of Dragonball, it's pretty much already failed, but that doesn't mean it can't be an entertaining film in it's own right.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:31 am

NeptuneKai wrote:I find it funny how devoted the live action movie fans are. If the news came out that Goku was going to be a transsexual hooker who meets Roshi for sexual purposes and ends up becoming a Pokemon master they would probably find a way to tell us that those changes were 100% needed, creative and mind blowingly awesome.

The movie will never be "bad" to those people because they're trying to convince themselves so hard it doesn't suck. The movie could be a complete flop and they would cry "It's your fault, fans aren't open minded enough to accept this films brilliance!" To be honest that is just as bad as the other extreme member on this forum who is against the live action movie...these people just have better spelling/grammar.

Was that aimed towards my previous post?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:32 am

Pain wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I find it funny how devoted the live action movie fans are. If the news came out that Goku was going to be a transsexual hooker who meets Roshi for sexual purposes and ends up becoming a Pokemon master they would probably find a way to tell us that those changes were 100% needed, creative and mind blowingly awesome.

The movie will never be "bad" to those people because they're trying to convince themselves so hard it doesn't suck. The movie could be a complete flop and they would cry "It's your fault, fans aren't open minded enough to accept this films brilliance!" To be honest that is just as bad as the other extreme member on this forum who is against the live action movie...these people just have better spelling/grammar.
Was that aimed towards my previous post?

No it's irrelevant to whatever conversation was going on previously, it was just something I wanted to get out there.

Chrono Trigger · Post by **Chrono Trigger** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:38 am

So did anyone read the interview with James Marsters ?

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:43 am

This whole thing(live Action Movie Conflict) is turning everyone(Okay, maybe like four or five people) against each other. Can't we all be friends and just remember things about the DragonBall franchise that don't cause conflict and arguments? But if we did that, it wouldn't be Dragonball, now would it?

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:48 am

Pain wrote:This whole thing(live Action Movie Conflict) is turning everyone(Okay, maybe like four or five people) against each other. Can't we all be friends and just remember things about the DragonBall franchise that don't cause conflict and arguments? But if we did that, it wouldn't be Dragonball, now would it?

A. Please don't pull that "Jesus descending from the heavens to bring peace" shit everyone does on every forum, it's called a conversation when people have different opinions and ping pong them back and fourth this is not a full fledged "think of the children" war.

B. Nobody is against anyone, again this is just a debate about the latest part of Dragonball news. I don't hate anyone because they have a different opinion then me and I'm sure people are intellectual enough here not to hate me despite my opinion. I can disagree with someone all I want but I don't go topic to topic thinking "GRRR THAT PAIN GUY POSTED HERE...I REMEMBER HIM...HE LIKED THE LIVE ACTION MOVIE!!!!"

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:53 am

Some people need to learn the difference between difference of opinion, and being argumentative.

Not everyone agrees here, but things are usually pretty civil.

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:06 am

NeptuneKai wrote:I'm not even stating this movie is the "worst thing that's happened to me" I couldn't care less about whether it comes out or not, but people need to accept how true it stays to the Dragonball story. That doesn't mean you can't like it but don't convince yourself this movie is an accurate representation of Dragonball. The film may as well be called "stereotypical action movie no.35753".

Well, I can "convince myself" of anything I please, really.

I'm really going to judge the film based on how good of a film it is. I expect changes to this adaptation just like I expect changes in a Superman movie, a Spiderman movie, a Transformers movie, the Akira movie, etc. Don't try and convince yourself that this movie series can perfectly adapt the Dragon Ball manga without being 20 movies in length.

Now, I'm with everyone else when they say that Goku's past and the setting could have been handled better. Goku could have lived in the woods and somehow found his way to Kame-Sennin for training, and eventually fought Piccolo Daimaô. But instead, he's in high school. And there's some new faces, with some old faces written out of the story. But isn't Goku still going to get his martial arts training and defeat Piccolo? And then (in the event of a sequel) discover that he is an alien and fight the other Saiyans and/or Freeza? And become a Super Saiyan, blah blah blah?

The end result will most likely be the same. They've just altered his past (and his character) a bit because the plot's been condensed for the movie. I'd rather save my judgement for when I see the movie. If Chatwin's Goku is still the mopey guy we've been seeing in photos and posters, and the plot is just completely different, I'll eat my words.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:08 am

NeptuneKai wrote:
Pain wrote:This whole thing(live Action Movie Conflict) is turning everyone(Okay, maybe like four or five people) against each other. Can't we all be friends and just remember things about the DragonBall franchise that don't cause conflict and arguments? But if we did that, it wouldn't be Dragonball, now would it?
A. Please don't pull that "Jesus descending from the heavens to bring peace" shit everyone does on every forum, it's called a conversation when people have different opinions and ping pong them back and fourth this is not a full fledged "think of the children" war.

B. Nobody is against anyone, again this is just a debate about the latest part of Dragonball news. I don't hate anyone because they have a different opinion then me and I'm sure people are intellectual enough here not to hate me despite my opinion. I can disagree with someone all I want but I don't go topic to topic thinking "GRRR THAT PAIN GUY POSTED HERE...I REMEMBER HIM...HE LIKED THE LIVE ACTION MOVIE!!!!"

I agree with you. But I wasn't trying to pull any crap. Just trying to bring the tension down. And it isn't a debate when 1 person (me as an example) is going against a few people on this site about a topic that doesn't have enough meat to argue about(The movie). Or maybe it is. I guess it is. But you're right. Everyone can disagree with everyone. It makes DragonBall that much more confusing, and complicated(Confusing is good in DragonBall).

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:10 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote: I think you're exaggerating juuuuuuuuust a little bit. I think some of the changes are downright stupid (hello, high school setting), but I'm going to have to see the movie- hell, a trailer, before I jump on the whole "this movie is the worst thing that has ever happened to me~~!!" train.

Yeah, I think the door swings both ways. For every positive "the high school setting has no effect on Goku's character" fan there's a negative "the expression on Chatwin's face in that concept sketch isn't Goku enough for me" fan.

I personally think that half of what we've heard so far is subject to change at this stage in development, and until some trailers at least start surfacing we really don't have much to go on (positive or negative). I doubt it will be the Second Coming for fandom, but that doesn't mean it's automatically going to be a shitty film. I mean... I could've done without the "Kid in King Arthur's Court spliced with Warriors of Virtue" setup for Forbidden Kingdom, but I still loved the movie. A movie doesn't have to meet my every expectation to still be a fun way to spend 2 hours after a hard days work on some random Friday evening. I know James is going to give his all, cuz that's what he does. He's very professional and very passionate about his work. If they can capture the visual style of the combat, I'll even see it if everything else is off. It's not like I don't have a roughly 500 episode tv series to fall back on if they fuck up the plot. Not that I want them to screw it up (and for the record, I'm very against this high school thing, if for no other reason than it makes Gohan redundant if they make movies up to Buu- and it implies that Goku knows how to read), but all is not lost based on some early production photos.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:31 am

Rocketman wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:Why are people expecting PG-13 or R out of the adaptation of a children's action cartoon?
Full frontal penetration?

Scandalous!

Before that picture loaded, I was thinking something completely Bulma related.

Besides, I don't think a full-sized Teenage Goku could fit through a Piccolo like that. If you want to be realistic, Chatwin would probably rip him in half, not make a hole through him.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:29 am

Chrono Trigger wrote:So did anyone read the interview with James Marsters ?

I did. Quite promising to hear how he AND Mr. Chatwin tried so hard to keep their characters true to the originals.

http://dbthemovie.com/2008/07/07/interv ... -marsters/

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:54 am

^In that link, if there is an ad for a DBZMMORPG on the side, don't do it!

What is the difference between the original and the live-action movie ?
JM: Definitely the story of this movie is different from the original. But it’s a necessary change because we need to condense the long story of the original for a movie. For example, some characters in the original don’t appear in the movie. And we try to give it a more gritty and graphic (realistic) feeling.

Though there are differences between the two, I think it is all right if the core part of Dragonball remains. I let my son watch the anime’s Dragonball, DBZ and DBGT since he was eight years old. At first, I thought it was too violent, but I realized this is the best show for training to become a true man. True men need not to flaunt themselves. Their calm, gentle and modest but when it comes to the crunch they don’t hesitate to kill the enemy, and I think that’s what Goku is.

Goku is a real man. I know my son received such a message and applied it to his own life. My son doesn’t use violence to others, but he isn’t afraid of his own anger. I think it’s an important thing.

How many hours does it take to apply the make-up?

JM: It takes about four hours. Luckily, my make-up artist is very chatty, we have a lot of chat during the make up.

Please tell us the most remarkable scene in the movie, especially action scenes!

JM: It is the last battle after all! I like playing the battle scene. When I worked for a TV show for seven years, every Friday I fought till sun rise, I felt I would never have such a good time again until now. In addition, I have never gotten terribly hurt (laugh).

Do you talk with other co-stars as well?

JM: When I have a problem, I have a talk with Justin [Chatwin]. At first, we worried about the costumes. We thought it should reflect the spirit of the original, we persisted this thought to the producers. We didn’t want to make our characters beautiful and safe. I talked with Justin, and he agreed with me. So did the director.

What do you care about in acting for this movie?

JM: That’s a good question. Speaking of Piccolo, one word comes into my mind, it’s “loneliness”. Piccolo is always floating in the air in the beautiful landscape, but he never even admires the landscape, he is only thinking or musing and staring at his feet. I think that is a characteristic of piccolo more than anything else. Maybe it must be a characteristic for revenge. He hates himself and blames the people who has trapped him. His desire to kill not only them but their family, furthermore to destroy the city and the planet they live and protect. To get revenge is everything to him. Everything.

How was shooting in Durango?

JM: The desert of Durango is very cold at night (laugh). I was luckily wearing armor, but Goku was freezing at the beginning of shooting. The local people are very kind and get along with us. Besides they love to party very much! If I didn’t have work, I would be willing to join them. They are drinking and singing songs until 4:30 a.m. But I need to sleep for the shooting the next day, after all so I changed the hotel to get away from the partying people.

Finally, please give us a message to our readers in Japan.

JM: Japan is beautiful. Thank you for giving Dragonball to us! It’s an important show to us all and I want you to watch it, especially the young people. I thank the show for a lot of good times with my son. I’ll do my best to meet the high expectations the fans have.

These interviews all help me feel a lot better about the movie. It's good to hear that Marsters thinks Dragonball makes you a "True man"

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:13 am

That interview reveals unto us things which are awesome. You are well thanked for posting it. (I've got to stop being lazy. T.T).

... The way he described Piccolo sounds like Piccolo rightafter the 23rd tournament... and yet somehow it souns like it works.

Freeza93 · Post by **Freeza93** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:45 am

I like Marsters take on Piccolo. I think he's going to be the best part of the film.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:52 pm

Freeza93 wrote:I like Marsters take on Piccolo. I like he's gonning to be the best part of the film.

I agree, he seems to be taking his character more seriously than any of the others, not to mention he has had quite a bit of quality acting experience. It's a good thing they've been saying he will also play Piccolo in the next two Dragonball films.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:33 pm

Yeah, his take on Piccolo actually makes me interested. I hope they capture Goku as well.