dchan316 wrote:Ahhhh...I remember wanting to do something like this 10 or so years ago...dang I feel old, ahaha... My version was Uub going off by himself though.
But yea, I don't have time to draw the manga, but if you need some character designs, I wouldn't mind lending a hand. I'm somewhat of a competent drawer.
http://dchan316.deviantart.com/
Well, let me know!
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.And this is why even a GT remake wouldn't work. GT it's self is a plothole!Joey Batz wrote:--Eliminating those glaring (and not-so-glaring) plot holes that Toei created by never actually watching DB or DBZ.
For example, you're thinking of keeping the Dark star DBs? Their very existance was a glaring plot hole with several extras to go around. lol Probably explainable and can be overlooked, but since Piccolo wasn't the original one that seperated from Kami and was used as the base, technically the original namek that they'd be linked to shouldn't exist. Even then, that would mean that every since they united the characters looking for the DBs with the radar should've been asking why there are suddenly an extra seven in the world. And for them to be able to turn Goku into a kid again, their creator would have to have been at least stronger than most the Buu saga characters, which Piccolo clearly wasn't. I bet I've probably missed quite a few other things about them, too. Like the Dark Star DBs many concepts like ssj4, the evil dragons(more examples of things which were little more than big plot holes) ect would have to be completely changed. And if Uub is to be a bigger character, at least give him Goku's old outfit(that's the only way we've seen him in an after-DB thing from Toriyama so I just think it's the least he deserves, plus it looked good on him lol). And it would be best to just leave how he compares to certain other characters oblivious(you just know he's strong), until after he gets some fancy power up(think you could come up with something original? Or just recreate the "merge with Buu" thing(if so, I'd recommend doing it quite differently, too)) which can then put others in "OMG" mode--Adding Uub to the mix of characters searching for the Black Star Dragon Balls. It would make the ending of DBZ mean a little bit more, and it would be interesting to work with a character who is rather underdeveloped. Plus, now Uub will no longer be the most useless character in all of Dragon Ball (even Yajirobe kicked more ass than Uub. Against VEGETA, no less). He will be the powerhouse of the group in outer space, and be second only to Gohan in strength and equal to Fat Buu (this of course changes once we get the SSJ4's).
--No more of Goku switching between kid and adult every time he went SSJ4. As a matter of fact, Goku will eventually be permanently changed back into an adult. Yup, that's right. The return of the DBZ Goku we all love. And speaking of SSJ4, that form will not come with its own pair of pants.
--No more one man show. While Goku will be the strongest eventually, he won't be the strongest when he gets turned into a kid (as a matter of fact, I'm starting him out as weaker than even Pan, though his strength returns gradually as time goes on). The other Z fighters will also play a role in the story other than staring in awe at Goku's power. That includes during the hunt for the Shadow Dragons.
--Brand new adventures during the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga. I know, people hated the Lost Episodes. But since that story arc was only the show's premise, I felt it was important to expand on their year long galactic Dragon Ball hunt, as well as to heavily fix the episodes that didn't make as much sense as they should have. This includes scaling down all the villain's power levels so that they're not as strong as Freeza or his men (unless I want them to be), not making everyone out in space know everything about Dragon Balls, and even including a run-in with Super Android 13 (not as a movie sequel though, but as a brand new villain) that will test Uub's power and his character for the first time in his life.
--Adult Gotenks, Vegeta without a mustache, giving Piccolo a chance to shine in battle one last time, and cutting any filler-esque scenes. Nuff said!
(he should've stood out at least once, rather than just getting a power up that just gets him eaten and then help stall a minute). And why use a movie villain as though his movie never happened? True, it didn't. lol But still, an original character is always better.
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote: I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Youtube | Art/Animation BlogInsertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
Kishishishi, I think that was the other guy. I'm a bit more than a quarter century (damn, that makes it sound even older...). And thanks to those with the kind compliments!Big Momma wrote:@dchan: Those are amazing. And 22 isn't that old.
Send me the script. I want to read it. After that, please tell me what you want the first chapter cover to look like.Joey Batz wrote:OK, great, lots of artwork help. Problem here is, though, I've got about a dozen people designing new characters and no one actually doing the comic!
Pain, if you can draw chapter covers, then you are definitely hired for that. You should know that my script goes episode by episode while the final chapters would be divvied up more in the manner that Toriyama made them in his manga. I just went in anime episode format rather than manga chapter format to help me write my in-desperate-need-of-tweaking script. I was hoping to leave that to whoever the artist would be (since I imagine I would need to see the images and the amount of pages it takes to kind of figure out where the chapters would need to be separated). Feel free, though, to do whatever you want with the chapter covers. I'm leaving a lot of work for the artist on this project. My biggest guideline would be to imagine that these are simply new chapters to Toriyama's manga as if they were done by Toriyama himself. That's kind of what I'm going for here: to present this as if it were an actual continuation of the real manga. That's why I don't just need someone good at drawing Toriyama-style characters. I need someone who can put the action into panels, know where to put the panels, keep the visual flow of the story moving, etc. I would also love to have you help with the concept art for new characters. Again, for the most part I plan to give almost limitless freedom to the artist to go wild (sans a few guidelines for what I'm looking for in a character, of course), though I would obviously want to see the final results of those concepts before we actually put them into the manga.
Kid Trunks, your artwork is awesome. It's a real shame that you can only help "a little". I would have loved to have had you do the art with the way you draw. Your work is dead on. Same with you, Dchan. Your work is incredible.
To all artists, anyone who can draw at least a few chapters, then that would be great. If I don't have one person animating EVERYTHING, that's fine. If you want to help out a little bit, let me know and I'll give you a chapter or two to do. Oh, I just realized I would need, like, a website to actually put this on. Maybe I can beg DesireCampell to put my GT manga on his site next to Toyble's AF manga.
Now to address some storyline questions people have brought up.
No, I'm not having a naked Goku and Vegeta fighting with their little Dragon Balls flapping in the breeze. It's just that I'm not having their shirts magically sew themselves back up everytime the fight's over. It's going to be tough, as the most realistic approach WOULD be to have them naked as SSJ4's, but since I really would rather not.....
Metrite, thanks for bringing those plot holes to my attention. But remember, I originally said I planned to fill those gaping plot holes. Don't you think I have that covered? Argh, I really have nothing to explain Pilaf still being alive (though I really never saw him as an evil guy as much as a Team Rocket-ish nuisance, so I can always go with that), but the BSDB's (Black Star Dragon Balls) are in a room in the Lookout that exists in another dimension, like the Hyberbolic Time Chamber. A rushed cop-out of an excuse? Perhaps. I DID go back and add some lines to establish that not long after I wrote that scene, but it DOES explain why the BSDB's never appeared on the Dragon Radar. And that's really what a lot of these plot holes need. Explanations.
As for why I'm using a movie character (Super Android 13) as if he were a new character instead of just making a new original character? Well, my original artist kinda went into "baby" mode at one point (and I don't mean he turned into a Tuffle), demanding that his favorite character, Super Android 13, was in the story or else he wouldn't do it. Naturally, I had problems with this as I want this manga to be done as a continuation of Toriyama's manga (in which the movies don't exist), but quickly my brain went into action, and it wasn't long before I had an adventure lined up for our heroes that has them confronting Super 13. I actually became pretty excited about the idea, especially because I planned for this to be a major turning point for one of my characters rather than some random adventure (like the planet with giant on it).
Look, I can't promise that there won't be a single plot hole anywhere in the story. Even Toriyama had some plot holes in the manga. But I can promise to actually pay attention to canon established in DB and DBZ and try to work around it rather than simply ignoring it.
You... are a pretty amazing artist. I'm bookmarking your page.dchan316 wrote:Ahhhh...I remember wanting to do something like this 10 or so years ago...dang I feel old, ahaha... My version was Uub going off by himself though.
But yea, I don't have time to draw the manga, but if you need some character designs, I wouldn't mind lending a hand. I'm somewhat of a competent drawer.
http://dchan316.deviantart.com/
Well, let me know!
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote: I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Youtube | Art/Animation BlogInsertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
Touche.....Captain Awesome wrote:Not to be a negative nancy..
But you're "hiring" people based on a face that they've drawn, shouldn't your first priority be to make sure they're able to draw characters in a variety of poses and angles?.
But thats just me.
Also, dchan, I'm loving your artwork, especially the CT Robo-train!
Actually, I think that people here are pretty open to a GT, it's just most people aren't pleased with what Toei did.Joey Batz wrote: As you could tell, I've never really done anything like this before. Frankly, I didn't even think people would reply to this thread once they saw it was GT (hence why I didn't put it in the thread title), let alone jump at the chance to help.
Rocketman(In response to a post about Pandora's Box) wrote: I sat here for ten damn minutes wondering what the hell God of War had to do with any of this.
Youtube | Art/Animation BlogInsertclevername wrote:I plan to lose my virginity to Dragon Box 2.
Agreed. I think it would've been more fun if they just used some of the same characters, but be a completely different story from the original. Like Pan doesn't necessarily have to be Goku's granddaughter, and they don't have to be the strongest in the universe allowing for a more interesting story.Big Momma wrote:Actually, I think that people here are pretty open to a GT, it's just most people aren't pleased with what Toei did.
Saiyan armor. Vegeta's outfit from the Buu Saga is the same material he had under the armor back in the Saiyan Saga, and it didn't rip when he went ape.Joey Batz wrote:No, I'm not having a naked Goku and Vegeta fighting with their little Dragon Balls flapping in the breeze. It's just that I'm not having their shirts magically sew themselves back up everytime the fight's over. It's going to be tough, as the most realistic approach WOULD be to have them naked as SSJ4's, but since I really would rather not.....
BSDB's (Black Star Dragon Balls) are in a room in the Lookout that exists in another dimension, like the Hyberbolic Time Chamber. A rushed cop-out of an excuse? Perhaps. I DID go back and add some lines to establish that not long after I wrote that scene, but it DOES explain why the BSDB's never appeared on the Dragon Radar.
1. Pan was introduced in Z by Mr. Toriyama.Agreed. I think it would've been more fun if they just used some of the same characters, but be a completely different story from the original. Like Pan doesn't necessarily have to be Goku's granddaughter, and they don't have to be the strongest in the universe allowing for a more interesting story.
