Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[goku1234]

[miguelnuva1]

While Gohan going to Roahi and Korin makes sense I wonder why no one suggested Popo who didn't suggest the time chamber.

[ZeroNeonix]

While Gohan going to Roahi and Korin makes sense I wonder why no one suggested Popo who didn't suggest the time chamber.

Maybe Popo too espresso depresso about Kami being dead to care anymore. lol

[Hellspawn28]

While Gohan going to Roahi and Korin makes sense I wonder why no one suggested Popo who didn't suggest the time chamber.

Goku was the one who originally suggested it in the first place and he died before hand.

[miguelnuva1]

While Gohan going to Roahi and Korin makes sense I wonder why no one suggested Popo who didn't suggest the time chamber.

Goku was the one who originally suggested it in the first place and he died before hand.

Goku thought about it yesterday but Popo also knew about the room. Gohan had to meet Korin because he has sensu beans so it was just a small nag since Multiverse says Gohan sought out Goku's old teachers.

The Android future is hard to write for anyone because Toriyama had to scale the heroes a certain way but it doesn't line up with what we see main Gohan do so I won't nitpick it but Gohan's potential should have kicked in.

[ZeroNeonix]

While Gohan going to Roahi and Korin makes sense I wonder why no one suggested Popo who didn't suggest the time chamber.

Goku was the one who originally suggested it in the first place and he died before hand.

Goku thought about it yesterday but Popo also knew about the room. Gohan had to meet Korin because he has sensu beans so it was just a small nag since Multiverse says Gohan sought out Goku's old teachers.

The Android future is hard to write for anyone because Toriyama had to scale the heroes a certain way but it doesn't line up with what we see main Gohan do so I won't nitpick it but Gohan's potential should have kicked in.

So the Android Saga seems to me to be inspired by the first Terminator movie. Future destroyed by powerful robots, a few survivors attempting to fight them off, then sending someone back in time. Trunks is Kyle Reese, which should mean that Gohan is John Conner. But wait. Trunks seems to think that Goku will save them, so he's their John Conner? Toriyama didn't just rip off Terminator's story completely, of course. There are parallels, but he didn't copy/paste. The problem is if Gohan is the savior because of his hidden potential...why didn't his future counterpart find the same power to defeat the androids? It's not completely unexplainable, but it's a bit of a plot hole.

It becomes even more silly with the context of future stories. Goten, present timeline Trunks, Cabba, even freaking Bardock, and others all achieving the power of Super Saiyan and beyond with little to no effort. It's like...what's Future Gohan's excuse? His hidden potential was supposed to be what allowed him to go Super Saiyan 2 in the first place, but that hidden potential ain't all it's cracked up to be.

[Zephyr]

Training solo isn't as effective as training with a partner. Goku wanted Gohan to be a Super Saiyan in the first place so he could be a good sparring partner.

Even if Gohan knew about the Room, in a timeline where Goku is dead he lacks the best teacher and sparring partner he could have hoped for. It's unclear how far a solo Gohan would have made it, especially if the age at which he would have tried is unspecified. We also don't know if the temple is even still around.

[theherodjl]

One thing about some of the specials that is really a missed opportunity, is to actually show a different outcome rather than trying to maintain an established storyline that we already know the end result to. We already know that the Gohan from the future is going to inevitably be beaten to death alongside a pile of rubble, no matter what training methods or narrative they can squeeze out of this. As a result, it's kinda pointless to pad out Future Gohan's story when we already get the gist of what's going to happen. If DBM actually took full advantage of the multiverse concept, they could actually show us different stories with different outcomes than what we're used to seeing, and that would actually be a lot more interesting than spending months retelling the same stories essentially
Alas, it's something we can learn from, I suppose.

[miguelnuva1]

One thing about some of the specials that is really a missed opportunity, is to actually show a different outcome rather than trying to maintain an established storyline that we already know the end result to. We already know that the Gohan from the future is going to inevitably be beaten to death alongside a pile of rubble, no matter what training methods or narrative they can squeeze out of this. As a result, it's kinda pointless to pad out Future Gohan's story when we already get the gist of what's going to happen. If DBM actually took full advantage of the multiverse concept, they could actually show us different stories with different outcomes than what we're used to seeing, and that would actually be a lot more interesting than spending months retelling the same stories essentially
Alas, it's something we can learn from, I suppose.

This is the single greatest idea for DBM and I'm surprised it hasn't been said more and makes perfect sense. Yes their are only 20 universes in the Budokai but why limit specials to that.

What about a universe where Gohan reveals he beat Cell instead of Hercule for example would be nice to see. Specials would be less of a chore if more freedom was allowed.

[goku1234]

[ZeroNeonix]

I like how her halo is going around her tall hat.

[miguelnuva1]

Baba likes like she's from Soul Eater.

[DragonicHero]

This special is painfully dumb. Somehow it's even WORSE than the DBM classic "everyone dies!" specials, in this we're watching some truly egregious character assassination to try to explain something that only gets worse the more you try to explain it. The future timeline doesn't need more than "everyone died, don't think about it too hard." because thinking about it too hard gives you this mess. Suicidally Depressed Gohan and Baba being horrible for no reason.
What the hell was Salagir thinking of with this?
Well, other than young Fortuneteller Baba's feet, anyway.

[coola]

Baba is so OOC, and Gohan was never this...nihilistic.

[jjgp1112]

This special is painfully dumb. Somehow it's even WORSE than the DBM classic "everyone dies!" specials, in this we're watching some truly egregious character assassination to try to explain something that only gets worse the more you try to explain it. The future timeline doesn't need more than "everyone died, don't think about it too hard." because thinking about it too hard gives you this mess. Suicidally Depressed Gohan and Baba being horrible for no reason.
What the hell was Salagir thinking of with this?
Well, other than young Fortuneteller Baba's feet, anyway.

Eh, I can buy that a Gohan without any of his mentors and wracked with survivors guilt would have a mental block that would handicap any progress he made training

[Fionordequester]

I mean... Honestly? Gohan was fairly nihilistic right before his Kamehameha duel with Cell, too. I'm pretty sure he explicitly said something along the lines of "I lost the use of my arm and half my power—just go ahead and finish us off", right before Goku gave his pep talk to him...

...

...Of course, then you wonder why Goku wasn't giving him similar pep talks to him throughout the future arc. I mean, King Kai and Kami pretty regularly let them do that, for all the various occasions that popped up throughout the show. Plus there was that one time Baba let Grandpa Gohan come back to interact with Goku.

[Jack Bz]

I too find the idea of trying to explain any of this just highlights all the problems with it. Goku can already talk to anyone he wants from the afterlife via king kai and this just makes me think why is he relying on Baba here? Did he just go "ah well" at the end?

[miguelnuva1]

The Android future needs everyone to act differently from the present in order to work.

Goku doesn't contact Gohan or try come back despite knowing he's in danger and Gohan's potential is crap compared to the present timeline.

As far as this Gohan almost gave up against Cell so this attitude works.

[goku1234]

[Fionordequester]

This... This isn't Gohan. This is more like a less confident version of U16 Bra. Same aloof attitude, same cynical snark, same dismissiveness toward the other person's opinion... Salagir's falling into the same trap yet again.

Gohan, the actual Gohan, might feel all these things... But he'd express them very different. He'd be less "jaded punk" and more "beaten puppy" about it.

----------------

1) With Baba, he wouldn't be angrily demanding she'd turn the orb back on--he'd be desperately pleading, with tears in his eyes.

2) With his suicidal thoughts, he'd never just say "This just makes me want to die"--he'd still care enough about Roshi to not put that thought in his head... If he even put his thoughts to words at all, he'd probably just scream something like "No, there is no hope! They're dead! They're ALL dead, and they always will be!" (or something equally melodramatic). Or he'd just fly somewhere far away to grieve.

3) It's believable he'd refuse to fight the Androids... But he'd act more like he did against Nappa. He'd have this mix of haunting guilt (for refusing to help people in need), overwhelming fear (because he's afraid of the Androids, and knows how helpless he is against them), and crippling insecurity (because he feels completely worthless).

----------------

...Honestly, an accurately written Gohan (assuming we're going with the "soul crushing despair" route) would be even sadder and more depressing than what we're getting here... Which just makes me question the wisdom of even doing this Special to start with. What's the use of yet another round of "The bad guys won, the good guys died horribly, everything sucked: The End"?