Dragon Ball Daima (2024)

[SupremeKai25]

Can you people stop acting like no thought or care was put into Dragon Ball Super? This elitism coming from 1990s Millennial/Nostalgic DBZ purists is so obnoxious.

I am bewildered by how DBZ nostalgic purists can look at these scenes and genuinely claim that "no thought or care went into DBS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvmLJz0Gss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWDPun9aHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5lMC83gFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYXfLdpuds

[Vegard Aune]

Can you people stop acting like no thought or care was put into Dragon Ball Super? This elitism coming from 1990s Millennial/Nostalgic DBZ purists is so obnoxious.

I am bewildered by how DBZ nostalgic purists can look at these scenes and genuinely claim that "no thought or care went into DBS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvmLJz0Gss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWDPun9aHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5lMC83gFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYXfLdpuds

All of those scenes are from later in the series, and the first one is a rare highlight in an arc that was otherwise pretty dire production-wise. DBS being a production disaster in the beginning is a known fact. With episodes like 5 and 24 the show was visibly falling apart on screen, and only one of those had any corrections done later. Yes, it did eventually pick itself up and by the Tournament of Power it was actually fairly respectable, but the beginning was a disaster.

[super michael]

Can you people stop acting like no thought or care was put into Dragon Ball Super? This elitism coming from 1990s Millennial/Nostalgic DBZ purists is so obnoxious.

I am bewildered by how DBZ nostalgic purists can look at these scenes and genuinely claim that "no thought or care went into DBS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvmLJz0Gss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWDPun9aHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5lMC83gFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYXfLdpuds

Goku in the episode of Beerus in a costume was just Goku being brainless.
Goku in Goku black Saga didn't stop forcing others to do what he wanted, saying stupid things like Senzu beans = immortality and forgetting over and over again.

DBS Super Hero Goku OMG the little time they show him, he was super dumb. He completely forgot what he knew in the past.

Mr Boo all he did was sleep when he was needed. In DBZ all he needed was seconds to sleep.


Goten and Trunks were treated really bad in DBS, however they were treated better in DBS Super Hero which is good news.


Chi Chi all she did in DBS was cause trouble and get in others way.


Power scale was awful, Goten and Trunks couldn't beat the snake in hand to hand combat. Goten even tried to use the Kamehameha.
Kid Goku and Kid Gohan could beat dinosaurs like nothing.
This is one example of bad power scale.

For some reason they felt the need to retcon Trunks to never having purple hair, his hair has always been blue for no reason.

[SupremeKai25]

Can you people stop acting like no thought or care was put into Dragon Ball Super? This elitism coming from 1990s Millennial/Nostalgic DBZ purists is so obnoxious.

I am bewildered by how DBZ nostalgic purists can look at these scenes and genuinely claim that "no thought or care went into DBS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvmLJz0Gss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWDPun9aHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5lMC83gFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYXfLdpuds

All of those scenes are from later in the series, and the first one is a rare highlight in an arc that was otherwise pretty dire production-wise. DBS being a production disaster in the beginning is a known fact. With episodes like 5 and 24 the show was visibly falling apart on screen, and only one of those had any corrections done later. Yes, it did eventually pick itself up and by the Tournament of Power it was actually fairly respectable, but the beginning was a disaster.

So the Future Trunks saga wasn't "fairly respectable"?

Yeah, you just hold Dragon Ball to unreasonably-high standards.

[super michael]

Can you people stop acting like no thought or care was put into Dragon Ball Super? This elitism coming from 1990s Millennial/Nostalgic DBZ purists is so obnoxious.

I am bewildered by how DBZ nostalgic purists can look at these scenes and genuinely claim that "no thought or care went into DBS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvmLJz0Gss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWDPun9aHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5lMC83gFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYXfLdpuds

All of those scenes are from later in the series, and the first one is a rare highlight in an arc that was otherwise pretty dire production-wise. DBS being a production disaster in the beginning is a known fact. With episodes like 5 and 24 the show was visibly falling apart on screen, and only one of those had any corrections done later. Yes, it did eventually pick itself up and by the Tournament of Power it was actually fairly respectable, but the beginning was a disaster.

So the Future Trunks saga wasn't "fairly respectable"?

Yeah, you just hold Dragon Ball to unreasonably-high standards.

Goku in Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z looks like a experienced fighter, who knows how to train himself and others and take responsibility serious. He knows when he does a mistake and is willing to admit when he is wrong.

DBS Goku is the exact opposite. Goku forces others to do what he wants, even if they don't want to. He doesn't like Vegeta going to Whis without telling him, he is constantly saying and doing dumb things. He forgets the things that he knew, just for the sake of gag, which just makes him look bad.
DBS Goku doesn't admit when he does a mistake, he tries to blame others.

Forbidding characters from taking place in battle for no reason is dumb, not being allowed to train with powerful fighters is dumb and not being able to train with powerful friends and family is beyond dumb.

DBS they didn't care if the character were written bad at all, they didn't care if that made the character look bad or it didn't make sense at all.
In DBS I normally used to say this "again this happens", "X character should know this", "why can't that character fight", "why are they not given any chance", etc.

[SupremeKai25]

All of those scenes are from later in the series, and the first one is a rare highlight in an arc that was otherwise pretty dire production-wise. DBS being a production disaster in the beginning is a known fact. With episodes like 5 and 24 the show was visibly falling apart on screen, and only one of those had any corrections done later. Yes, it did eventually pick itself up and by the Tournament of Power it was actually fairly respectable, but the beginning was a disaster.

So the Future Trunks saga wasn't "fairly respectable"?

Yeah, you just hold Dragon Ball to unreasonably-high standards.

Goku in Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z looks like a experienced fighter, who knows how to train himself and others and take responsibility serious. He knows when he does a mistake and is willing to admit when he is wrong.

DBS Goku is the exact opposite. Goku forces others to do what he wants, even if they don't want to. He doesn't like Vegeta going to Whis without telling him, he is constantly saying and doing dumb things. He forgets the things that he knew, just for the sake of gag, which just makes him look bad.
DBS Goku doesn't admit when he does a mistake, he tries to blame others.

Forbidding characters from taking place in battle for no reason is dumb, not being allowed to train with powerful fighters is dumb and not being able to train with powerful friends and family is beyond dumb.

DBS they didn't care if the character were written bad at all, they didn't care if that made the character look bad or it didn't make sense at all.
In DBS I normally used to say this "again this happens", "X character should know this", "why can't that character fight", "why are they not given any chance", etc.

This is so weird, because it's not like the "heroes" in DBZ are intelligent, as proven by the millions of posts/threads/videos everywhere talking about how they are stupid in the Cell saga.

Anyway, since I am tired of talking about dusty old DBZ, I'll simply point out that Toriyama didn't magically change his writing style between 2022 and 2024, so you can expect Daima to follow the general writing style of Super.

Which means... better pacing and planning, more side character focus, and more comedy compared to edgy DBZ.

[miguelnuva1]

All of those scenes are from later in the series, and the first one is a rare highlight in an arc that was otherwise pretty dire production-wise. DBS being a production disaster in the beginning is a known fact. With episodes like 5 and 24 the show was visibly falling apart on screen, and only one of those had any corrections done later. Yes, it did eventually pick itself up and by the Tournament of Power it was actually fairly respectable, but the beginning was a disaster.

So the Future Trunks saga wasn't "fairly respectable"?

Yeah, you just hold Dragon Ball to unreasonably-high standards.

Goku in Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z looks like a experienced fighter, who knows how to train himself and others and take responsibility serious. He knows when he does a mistake and is willing to admit when he is wrong.

DBS Goku is the exact opposite. Goku forces others to do what he wants, even if they don't want to. He doesn't like Vegeta going to Whis without telling him, he is constantly saying and doing dumb things. He forgets the things that he knew, just for the sake of gag, which just makes him look bad.
DBS Goku doesn't admit when he does a mistake, he tries to blame others.

Forbidding characters from taking place in battle for no reason is dumb, not being allowed to train with powerful fighters is dumb and not being able to train with powerful friends and family is beyond dumb.

DBS they didn't care if the character were written bad at all, they didn't care if that made the character look bad or it didn't make sense at all.
In DBS I normally used to say this "again this happens", "X character should know this", "why can't that character fight", "why are they not given any chance", etc.

You're proving the opposite of what your are arguing. Goku acts like that because Toriyama wanted him to thus Super had more care than DBZ in which Toei was allowed to alter Goku.

[super michael]

So the Future Trunks saga wasn't "fairly respectable"?

Yeah, you just hold Dragon Ball to unreasonably-high standards.

Goku in Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z looks like a experienced fighter, who knows how to train himself and others and take responsibility serious. He knows when he does a mistake and is willing to admit when he is wrong.

DBS Goku is the exact opposite. Goku forces others to do what he wants, even if they don't want to. He doesn't like Vegeta going to Whis without telling him, he is constantly saying and doing dumb things. He forgets the things that he knew, just for the sake of gag, which just makes him look bad.
DBS Goku doesn't admit when he does a mistake, he tries to blame others.

Forbidding characters from taking place in battle for no reason is dumb, not being allowed to train with powerful fighters is dumb and not being able to train with powerful friends and family is beyond dumb.

DBS they didn't care if the character were written bad at all, they didn't care if that made the character look bad or it didn't make sense at all.
In DBS I normally used to say this "again this happens", "X character should know this", "why can't that character fight", "why are they not given any chance", etc.

You're proving the opposite of what your are arguing. Goku acts like that because Toriyama wanted him to thus Super had more care than DBZ in which Toei was allowed to alter Goku.

DB Toriyama Manga characters are not different to DB/DBZ Toei Anime characters, unless you mean the movies.
Now if it is Fanimation English Dub then yes they changed the characters lines completely.

[ZeroNeonix]

The mods are going to come in and mass delete posts soon if y'all keep talking about Super. lol

[super michael]

The mods are going to come in and mass delete posts soon if y'all keep talking about Super. lol

People keep defending DBS, even making look like nostalgia is the reason why they place DB/DBZ Manga/Anime high when that isn't true at all.

It is very simple I don't want Daima to be anything like DBS at all, at least when it comes to characters writing.
I want the characters to retain their growth, maturity, skills, etc, from Toriyama Manga to Daima. I don't want Daima to be like DBS which ignores Toriyama manga.

[SupremeKai25]

I want the characters to retain their growth, maturity,

But they are literally reverting into babies.

[Grimlock]

Looks like they are not rushing Dragon Ball Daima and they getting many episode ready become Dragon Ball Daima even comes out, which is a good sign. You are right if they didn't care, then they would leave everything near the last minute or do what they did in DBS.

(...)

If Daima is taking their time to make their script and animation, then that is a good thing. Rushing is never the solution.

Don't let those people cloud your judgment. You were complaining about marketing (or lack thereof), not that you want the series to be released right away or about the production value.

And you are absolutely right in complaining about marketing. We are exactly in the middle of the year already and nothing has been revealed. Something has been off about this particular department since the announcement of Dragon Ball Super Super Hero, which went on to have a notoriously abysmal marketing too. The fact that we still don't even know the premise or names of the characters from that teaser last year is beyond comprehensible, again, considering how much time has passed since the announcement. And, of course, we don't know when it is supposed to have a new trailer or something coming... There surely is a lack of care when it comes to this specific subject.

[JulieYBM]

Can you people stop acting like no thought or care was put into Dragon Ball Super? This elitism coming from 1990s Millennial/Nostalgic DBZ purists is so obnoxious.

I am bewildered by how DBZ nostalgic purists can look at these scenes and genuinely claim that "no thought or care went into DBS":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvmLJz0Gss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWDPun9aHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk5lMC83gFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYYXfLdpuds

All of those scenes are from later in the series, and the first one is a rare highlight in an arc that was otherwise pretty dire production-wise. DBS being a production disaster in the beginning is a known fact. With episodes like 5 and 24 the show was visibly falling apart on screen, and only one of those had any corrections done later. Yes, it did eventually pick itself up and by the Tournament of Power it was actually fairly respectable, but the beginning was a disaster.

So the Future Trunks saga wasn't "fairly respectable"?

Yeah, you just hold Dragon Ball to unreasonably-high standards.

The Future Trunks arc was being held together with duct tape and week old chewed bubblegum, just like the rest of Dragon Ball Super. Executive meddling and zero pre-production time screwed Dragon Ball Super. That isn't an indictment on anyone except the producers and executives on Toei Animation, rather than series directors, episode directors, and animators.

[VegettoEX]

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