Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
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Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
So this idea on another form and thought it was intreasting in the least.
Instead of Uub have Emma give Goku the resonability of taking care of Buu's reincarnation.
When GT starts instead of turning Goku in to a child his son can replace him in that role. Gt would then be him, Pan and Bra and can be see as a passing of the tor h to get new fans into the series.
When Baby gets to Earth he can take over Goku and then Goku as the villian battles his own Son and the torch is finally passed.
Instead of Uub have Emma give Goku the resonability of taking care of Buu's reincarnation.
When GT starts instead of turning Goku in to a child his son can replace him in that role. Gt would then be him, Pan and Bra and can be see as a passing of the tor h to get new fans into the series.
When Baby gets to Earth he can take over Goku and then Goku as the villian battles his own Son and the torch is finally passed.
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Re: Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
Goku already has two kids of his own. Having a third one would feel redundant.
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Re: Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
Honestly, I'd rather Oob just be how he is in canon; a boy from an unknown human family with nothing that immediately implies that he's anything special. If Oob was tied directly into any of the Z Senshi member's family trees, it would make it quite obvious who he is, how special he is, as well as the fact that it wouldn't be very original given that the team already has a reincarnation among them. The fact that Oob is from some family & somewhere that isn't familiar to the Dragon Team makes his character & future much more malleable from the start, as opposed to being so blatantly connected to the characters who defeated his predecessor.
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Re: Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
I also like the fact that Oob is a random kid from a random village. But if in an alternate universe Boo's reincarnation was among the Dragon Team, I would've liked it to be Pan.
It always bothered me that Goku chose this kid as his pupil when young Pan was right there, eager and excited to learn martial arts from her grandpa. But then there would've been no suspense at the end, and EoZ would've bene an entirely different beast.
It always bothered me that Goku chose this kid as his pupil when young Pan was right there, eager and excited to learn martial arts from her grandpa. But then there would've been no suspense at the end, and EoZ would've bene an entirely different beast.
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Re: Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
Well, I don't know if Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku and Chi-Chi's (possibly) third child, buuuut I HAVE been seeing some folks in recent months throw around the idea of PAN being a reborn Buu.
Ngl, between Pan actually having a desire to train and/or fight that her dad, uncle, and Trunks all heavily lack AND the fact that between her and Uub, she's been far more prominent of a player in post-OG Dragon Ball manga content, I can't say that the idea wouldn't at least make SOME lick of sense to me.
Ngl, between Pan actually having a desire to train and/or fight that her dad, uncle, and Trunks all heavily lack AND the fact that between her and Uub, she's been far more prominent of a player in post-OG Dragon Ball manga content, I can't say that the idea wouldn't at least make SOME lick of sense to me.
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I always thought Oob was a pointless character. So, you want a new character to be Goku's successor... Then you create TWO... and proceed to leave one of them in the dust. Why create two? Just take Pan and be done with it.
As for the entire "Oh, but he's a Boo reincarnation" thing... Did that really need to be a thing? Did Freeza get a reincarnation? Did Cell? "Oh, but he's the greatest strongerest enemy ever fought!" So was Freeza... So was Cell... Why is only Boo getting the reincarnation treatment? Am I supposed to buy this just because the franchise is ending or what?
As for the entire "Oh, but he's a Boo reincarnation" thing... Did that really need to be a thing? Did Freeza get a reincarnation? Did Cell? "Oh, but he's the greatest strongerest enemy ever fought!" So was Freeza... So was Cell... Why is only Boo getting the reincarnation treatment? Am I supposed to buy this just because the franchise is ending or what?
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Re: Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
Goku defeated Frieza and Gohan defeated Cell. Buu was considered special by Goku because it took fusion and later then entire Earth to defeat him. SS3 was too unstable to best Buu despite having the power.AliTheZombie13 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:02 am I always thought Oob was a pointless character. So, you want a new character to be Goku's successor... Then you create TWO... and proceed to leave one of them in the dust. Why create two? Just take Pan and be done with it.
As for the entire "Oh, but he's a Boo reincarnation" thing... Did that really need to be a thing? Did Freeza get a reincarnation? Did Cell? "Oh, but he's the greatest strongerest enemy ever fought!" So was Freeza... So was Cell... Why is only Boo getting the reincarnation treatment? Am I supposed to buy this just because the franchise is ending or what?
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Also, Super reveals that Buu, and Uub by extension, inherited God Ki from Grand Kaioshin, which explains why both of them were so damn powerful. Just yet another aspect wherein DBS completes, improves, and builds upon the ending of DBZ. 
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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But then you remember that Buu having god Ki raises eyebrows and questions. Just yet another aspect wherein Dragon Ball Super "completes" (!?), "improves" (!?) and "builds upon" (!?) the ending of Dragon Ball Z.

Look, I gotta commend you for praising Dragon Ball Super as hard as you can and whenever you can, even in threads not even remotely about this. And I know pointing flaws in works we hold very dear to our hearts is one hell of a task, but come on now... Try at least to make an effort. Blindly praising something is never good.

Look, I gotta commend you for praising Dragon Ball Super as hard as you can and whenever you can, even in threads not even remotely about this. And I know pointing flaws in works we hold very dear to our hearts is one hell of a task, but come on now... Try at least to make an effort. Blindly praising something is never good.
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Make no mistake Toyotaro gets credit for the manga, when it comes to expanding the story and being cosistent, Toyotaro does a good job in DBS.SupremeKai25 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:56 am Also, Super reveals that Buu, and Uub by extension, inherited God Ki from Grand Kaioshin, which explains why both of them were so damn powerful. Just yet another aspect wherein DBS completes, improves, and builds upon the ending of DBZ.![]()
I do wonder why no one mentioned anything about South Kaioshin, since Kid Boo did absorb South Kaioshin and then Dai Kaioshin
In theory Oob should have both Kaioshin God Ki.
Grimlock wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:52 am But then you remember that Buu having god Ki raises eyebrows and questions. Just yet another aspect wherein Dragon Ball Super "completes" (!?), "improves" (!?) and "builds upon" (!?) the ending of Dragon Ball Z.
Look, I gotta commend you for praising Dragon Ball Super as hard as you can and whenever you can, even in threads not even remotely about this. And I know pointing flaws in works we hold very dear to our hearts is one hell of a task, but come on now... Try at least to make an effort. Blindly praising something is never good.
Kid Boo only has the powers, but not the mind on how to control it. He doesn't have anyone absorbed inside him that knows how to use it.
Ginyu inside Goku body could only use 23,000 despite Goku body max power being 90,000 without Kaioken.
Kid Gohan power was 1,000+ in the Saiyan Saga, but couldn't access it at will.
Angel Moro can use UI, but his body can't handle the power since he hasn't trained for it.
Oob needed help from Dai Kaioshin, to donate his God Ki to Vegeta Spirit Fission.
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Relax, I would never DARE claim that the Anime does anything good. Let's not get crazy here.super michael wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:41 amMake no mistake Toyotaro gets credit for the manga, when it comes to expanding the story and being cosistent, Toyotaro does a good job in DBS.SupremeKai25 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:56 am Also, Super reveals that Buu, and Uub by extension, inherited God Ki from Grand Kaioshin, which explains why both of them were so damn powerful. Just yet another aspect wherein DBS completes, improves, and builds upon the ending of DBZ.![]()
I do wonder why no one mentioned anything about South Kaioshin, since Kid Boo did absorb South Kaioshin and then Dai Kaioshin
In theory Oob should have both Kaioshin God Ki.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
Re: Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
You can, of course, come up with your own explanations, but it doesn't change the fact that this is an issue that hasn't been addressed yet. And they will be just that, your own explanations.super michael wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:41 amKid Boo only has the powers, but not the mind on how to control it. He doesn't have anyone absorbed inside him that knows how to use it.
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While you are right that is my own explanation, we do see characters in Dragon Ball that couldn't access their power or full power for their reason.Grimlock wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:49 pmYou can, of course, come up with your own explanations, but it doesn't change the fact that this is an issue that hasn't been addressed yet. And they will be just that, your own explanations.super michael wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:41 amKid Boo only has the powers, but not the mind on how to control it. He doesn't have anyone absorbed inside him that knows how to use it.
Goku even explains why Ginyu could use Goku body full power.
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By the time Goku and Freeza's fight was over Goku was clearly the stronger of the two. With Cell he knew Gohan was way stronger and then he would surpass Cell himself anyways.AliTheZombie13 wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:02 am I always thought Oob was a pointless character. So, you want a new character to be Goku's successor... Then you create TWO... and proceed to leave one of them in the dust. Why create two? Just take Pan and be done with it.
As for the entire "Oh, but he's a Boo reincarnation" thing... Did that really need to be a thing? Did Freeza get a reincarnation? Did Cell? "Oh, but he's the greatest strongerest enemy ever fought!" So was Freeza... So was Cell... Why is only Boo getting the reincarnation treatment? Am I supposed to buy this just because the franchise is ending or what?
With Boo even after all his training and reaching Super Saiyan 3 Boo was still shown to be incredibly strong, and like another user pointed out, it required ki from the entire earth to finally put him away. He also saw potential in Boo when he learned the KameHameHa just by watching it (and before you say Cell, Cell was designed to know it)
Also, if Goku decided to train Pan instead
Goku: I'm taking your daughter to train her so I can fight with her later, BYE
Gohan and Videl: ..........
Re: Buu's reincarnation should have been Goku's child.
I like Oob as an ending for Goku's character. Throughout Dragon Ball Goku gradually moves from a student to a master. Along the way, many of his enemies and rivals turn into allies and friends. Along the way, he transcends nearly every wall in his path, leaving all of his rivals in the dust, and helping to further escalate his unending search for what Roshi promised: someone even greater. Oob is the ultimate enemy, Goku's greatest "wall", turned student (not just friend). He wraps all three of these journeys up in a single bow.
Should Pan have wrapped those three journeys up instead? My most immediate reason for saying "no" is honestly that we probably wouldn't get the name pun and Goku noticing it.
On the topic of whether or not Goku would be allowed to train her, well, he already kinda is during the epilogue, isn't he? When Pan shows up she's wearing the Turtle school dogi, and she says she flew around the Earth, with Goku calling her time "pretty quick", suggesting he knew when she started and was keeping track. Piccolo even trains her in Super Hero while babysitting, something Goku could also do (and possibly is doing at the start of the epilogue). Goku began as a student to his own "grandfather", and he ends as master to his own grandchild (no quotes). So it's very cool and important that Goku is training Pan even without her being Boo's reincarnation.
But if she was? Pan would be the ultimate enemy, Goku's greatest "wall", turned family (not just student or friend). That's a deeper bond in a way, so it's possibly even more of a logical conclusion. Pan makes it so Goku's relationship with his grandchild is the inverse of the one his grandfather had with him: blood family rather than found family. On the other hand, Goku's relationship with Oob mirrors the one his grandfather had with him: found family rather than blood family.
I think both are narratively and structurally satisfying, but I ultimately lean toward Oob. Maybe because that's simply the one we got and I'm accustomed to it, maybe because that means we get more new additions to the cast for these new off-panel adventures that are implied will happen. I also think Goku would have reason to be skeptical of Pan's love for The Fight™ sticking around in the long term through peacetime, given that Gohan, Goten, and Trunks' didn't.
Either way, I don't think Goku should have another kid at this point, it's grandkid time.
Should Pan have wrapped those three journeys up instead? My most immediate reason for saying "no" is honestly that we probably wouldn't get the name pun and Goku noticing it.
On the topic of whether or not Goku would be allowed to train her, well, he already kinda is during the epilogue, isn't he? When Pan shows up she's wearing the Turtle school dogi, and she says she flew around the Earth, with Goku calling her time "pretty quick", suggesting he knew when she started and was keeping track. Piccolo even trains her in Super Hero while babysitting, something Goku could also do (and possibly is doing at the start of the epilogue). Goku began as a student to his own "grandfather", and he ends as master to his own grandchild (no quotes). So it's very cool and important that Goku is training Pan even without her being Boo's reincarnation.
But if she was? Pan would be the ultimate enemy, Goku's greatest "wall", turned family (not just student or friend). That's a deeper bond in a way, so it's possibly even more of a logical conclusion. Pan makes it so Goku's relationship with his grandchild is the inverse of the one his grandfather had with him: blood family rather than found family. On the other hand, Goku's relationship with Oob mirrors the one his grandfather had with him: found family rather than blood family.
I think both are narratively and structurally satisfying, but I ultimately lean toward Oob. Maybe because that's simply the one we got and I'm accustomed to it, maybe because that means we get more new additions to the cast for these new off-panel adventures that are implied will happen. I also think Goku would have reason to be skeptical of Pan's love for The Fight™ sticking around in the long term through peacetime, given that Gohan, Goten, and Trunks' didn't.
Either way, I don't think Goku should have another kid at this point, it's grandkid time.

