Comparing the versions of issue 49 of the magazine: Dragon Ball - The Legendary Manga(Kid Buu, Gotenks and Gohan).

[p-hyvo]

I see people is lacking reading comprehension, since Goku literally stated that NO MATTER WHAT HE DID kid buu's ki wasn't decreasing and he was always coming back as good as new Ang goku literally admitted to be outclassed by him in the anime.
Kid Buu is just a sadistic beast that adapts to his enemy to have fun and make him suffer for longer

About the "original Buu" thing :
They literally said that absorbing the kais weakened him . It wasn't just the grand Kai,Vince dabura said that they couldn't use shin's or kibito's ki to awaken Buu it means that kais are poisonous for Buu as a race, and it makes sense since they're kind of on the opposite end of the spectrum compared to him, they're gods and Buu is a demon of chaos.
There's even another argument to be made about ki and specifically one of it's component, shoki :
The explanation of shoki is "if you're true to yourself and follow your true character, you become stronger" , and we've seen that applied pretty recently during the granola arc with Goku and Vegeta.
What's the point with kid Buu, you may ask?
Well, kid Buu is the original Buu. The true Buu. Buu's true essence, uncorrupted by anyone. There isn't a truer to himself Buu than kid Buu. He's buu's true character, hence the strongest incarnation following this logic.

Then again, many guides state or imply directly that kid Buu is the strongest. Time to stop glazing on him by saying he was "on par" with Goku, because he was much stronger and the fact that they needed a genkidama to kill him proves that Goku alone wouldn't had been able to defeat him

Guys, we're in late 2024 now. Isn't kinda time to stop to share and give credibility to 20 year old ideas derived from poor translations, misinterpretation of the context and obvious lack of sources? We have everything we need now, just move past point that and evolve. It's really for the betterment of the community

[Shintoki]

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i don't think it's wise to do this discussion of goku vs buu in a thread about whether kid boo is the strongest.

[p-hyvo]

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i don't think it's wise to do this discussion of goku vs buu in a thread about whether kid boo is the strongest.

Well, it's contextual anyway. It's not offtopic. And I just gave logic proofs about why kid Buu is the strongest

[Hugo Boss]

This is just an example of Toriyama driving himself into a corner and then readers still not getting what he was trying to convey.

The whole point of reverting Boo to his original form was that Goku and Vegeta could fight him, since Goku admittedly thought he couldn’t take Super Boo, even with the best of his abilities. That was the plan, although Boo ending up stronger than ever would definitely work out for a conclusive ending to the series to a lot of fans.

It turned up that, under the right conditions, Goku could defeat Pure Boo alone, but he didn’t account for the large energy amounts that SS3 uses up while he is fighting with it in a living body. A miscalculation. That’s why Goku would need Gohan or Gotenks’ aid, as they were at a level Pure Boo’s strength couldn’t match, but Toriyama expressly shrugged off the idea and didn’t want victory to be claimed so easily.

[Koitsukai]

He wrote himself into corner for those you can't read, understand narrative purposes or see beyond things going boom and characters going woosh and blond. The story is crystal clear for those who read the actual story and aren't looking for powerscaling cues.
It's not about explaining a situation in particular anymore, it's come down to explaining how narrative works in the first place.

[Hugo Boss]

He wrote himself into corner for those you can't read, understand narrative purposes or see beyond things going boom and characters going woosh and blond. The story is crystal clear for those who read the actual story and aren't looking for powerscaling cues.
It's not about explaining a situation in particular anymore, it's come down to explaining how narrative works in the first place.

The confusion stems largely from the anime exclusive fights like SS2 Goku and Pure Boo, and part of the narration of Fat Boo vs. Pure Boo, but the manga also has Kaioshin(s) influencing Pure Boo’s strength, given the ambiguous line about their absorptions lowering his power in exchange for heart and Buff Boo having (apparently) higher powerlevel than Super Boo’s. Although that means nothing in front of what’s actually happening on-page.

[Kaboom]

Even the part about Pure Boo being "the most dangerous" due to being pure evil and uncontrollable almost seems like it was purposely inserted to make up for him not being more powerful than the last few forms, while still establishing him as a final, climax-worthy threat.

[Shintoki]

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i don't think it's wise to do this discussion of goku vs buu in a thread about whether kid boo is the strongest.

Well, it's contextual anyway. It's not offtopic. And I just gave logic proofs about why kid Buu is the strongest

but..it's not. i just demonstrated why the book says otherwise.

[Grimlock]

And I just gave logic proofs about why kid Buu is the strongest

Did you now? Then let's review your posts so far:

Spoiler:

Can you check the french version too? I'm curious since it is the original one

Well, really even in the manga Goku proposes to bring them there TOGETHER. It's never implied that any of them alone would have been enough.

If anything, there are many sources between daizenshuu, anime, and interviews with Toriyama and his coworkers that point to kid Buu being the strongest Buu and Goku being the strongest good guy respectively . Even the manga implies that really.

But it's ok, I get that maybe acting arrogantly and decide arbitrarily what to ignore and what not to match your pre existing idea is absolutely the best thing to do

I think that the comments after yours really show how hard is for people to change their minds after decades of thinking something, even when faced with evidences of it, choosing arrogance and bias just to not admit to themselves that they've been wrong for all that time

Sometimes it's hard to exit your comfort zone and evolve past it. But at least, as time goes on I see more and more people accepting these new things and interpretations coming out so eventually people like those who choose to ignore things arbitrarily will eventually die out and disappear one day, crushed by evolutionary pressure like it happens with animals that don't adapt to their environment

And btw it's implied that Goku needed both Goten and Gotenks, so it's time to accept that Gohan alone wouldn't had been enough even remotely. Goku needed both of them to stall for something else

I see people is lacking reading comprehension, since Goku literally stated that NO MATTER WHAT HE DID kid buu's ki wasn't decreasing and he was always coming back as good as new Ang goku literally admitted to be outclassed by him in the anime.
Kid Buu is just a sadistic beast that adapts to his enemy to have fun and make him suffer for longer

About the "original Buu" thing :
They literally said that absorbing the kais weakened him . It wasn't just the grand Kai,Vince dabura said that they couldn't use shin's or kibito's ki to awaken Buu it means that kais are poisonous for Buu as a race, and it makes sense since they're kind of on the opposite end of the spectrum compared to him, they're gods and Buu is a demon of chaos.
There's even another argument to be made about ki and specifically one of it's component, shoki :
The explanation of shoki is "if you're true to yourself and follow your true character, you become stronger" , and we've seen that applied pretty recently during the granola arc with Goku and Vegeta.
What's the point with kid Buu, you may ask?
Well, kid Buu is the original Buu. The true Buu. Buu's true essence, uncorrupted by anyone. There isn't a truer to himself Buu than kid Buu. He's buu's true character, hence the strongest incarnation following this logic.

Then again, many guides state or imply directly that kid Buu is the strongest. Time to stop glazing on him by saying he was "on par" with Goku, because he was much stronger and the fact that they needed a genkidama to kill him proves that Goku alone wouldn't had been able to defeat him

Guys, we're in late 2024 now. Isn't kinda time to stop to share and give credibility to 20 year old ideas derived from poor translations, misinterpretation of the context and obvious lack of sources? We have everything we need now, just move past point that and evolve. It's really for the betterment of the community

You are going to forgive me but I see no "logic proofs" here. No images (from the manga or Japanese guidebooks), no links to click, nothing. I may very well be missing something, so help me find them. Where are these "logic proofs"? Simply saying "this, that, these, those imply what I want them to imply" is not going to cut it, you have to base your arguments. So, care to provide evidences from all those guides, interviews and whatnot? Also, I have a feeling there is a statement saying Buu's power was influenced by the absorption of Kaioshin of South and Dai Kaioshin, however, I don't remember the specific part where this is stated, so if you could please share that moment, from the manga, it would be helpful.

Goku defeated Buu with a Genki-Dama because Super Saiyan 3 wasn't "working". If you go and read the manga, you will see that Goku is trying to defeat Buu with said transformation, but its drawbacks got the better of him and so Goku reverted back to base form. Yes, Buu is stronger than base Goku, but you cannot say so assuredly that Buu is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. Buu never defeated Super Saiyan 3 Goku, Super Saiyan 3 defeated itself, that's what happened.

And I'm fully aware that the anime outright states that Buu is the strongest opponent or something... in a filler scene. Which goes against the actual logic you said yourself: "he becomes stronger each time he transforms" --- even though Buu is not transformed at all. So no point in bringing up/using that.

[Hugo Boss]

Also, I have a feeling there is a statement saying Buu's power was influenced by the absorption of Kaioshin of South and Dai Kaioshin, however, I don't remember the specific part where this is stated, so if you could please share that moment, from the manga, it would be helpful.

The original dialogue:

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption[s]…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

In a vacuum, this line could suggest both Kaioshins’ absorptions worked differently from expected.

[Grimlock]

I wouldn't have found that line anyway, Kibitoshin says something completely different here.

[diraf78]

Just because whoever compiled this book lacks basic reading comprehension doesn't mean I have to sacrifice mine.

It's not even the book, these people are just desperate for evidence. The page is explicitly saying Gohan and Gotenks can defeat Kid Boo (Which is also said by Goku in the manga) and people want to interpret as Gohan and Gotenks together...

It is litterally stated in the manga that all the ki of Gohan was not enough to defeat Pure Buu.

Goku thought that Vegeta ´s plan was to bring back Gohan AND Gotenks. Both of them.

How do you explain that Goku has trained for 10 years to fight someone who was already less powerful than Gohan and Gotenks.

Goku had just to return on earth and challenge Gohan or Gotenks if he wanted a challenge.

Your vision does’nt make any sense.

[Hugo Boss]

It’s true that Goku himself admitted he wouldn’t be able to defeat Super Buu, and Gohan or Gotenks could have done so if they fought seriously. However, the series has always been somewhat inconsistent with power scaling, and this becomes even more confusing with Battle of Gods film.

Despite Gohan and Gotenks being portrayed as stronger during the Majin Buu arc, Battle of Gods and Dragon Ball Super establish Goku and Vegeta as the strongest Saiyans after Buu's defeat, suggesting that they surpassed Gohan and Gotenks at some point during that battle.

This inconsistency raises questions about whether Toriyama fully remembered all these details when writing the end of the manga and transitioning into Battle of Gods.

[diraf78]

Kid Buu was making fun of Goku during the fight, he was litterally dancing, sleeping.

On earth, he showed his power and Goku litterally begged him fir his Life and flew, letting his sons dying.

He was overpowered by Kid Buu.

It’s crazy how people forgot this part of the story.

[Hugo Boss]

The idea that Goku was completely overpowered by Kid Boo isn’t entirely accurate. Goku was able to hold his own against him as a Super Saiyan 3, but his main issue was stamina, not raw power. Goku himself stated that if he could have fought at full strength without worrying about preserving his energy, he believed he could have defeated Kid Boo.

Additionally, Goku didn’t beg for his life — it means that the fight on Earth required a different strategy than brute force alone, since the damage would be too much regardless of how Goku would’ve handled that situation.

[Koitsukai]

Kid Buu was making fun of Goku during the fight, he was litterally dancing, sleeping.

On earth, he showed his power and Goku litterally begged him fir his Life and flew, letting his sons dying.

He was overpowered by Kid Buu.

It’s crazy how people forgot this part of the story.

I must congratulate you, I've never seen such a misinterpretation of an actual event, not just on this matter, in absolut terms I mean. It takes some kind of talent to do so, which you abundantly have.