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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:10 am

sangofe wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:24 am I hope a remake never happens. I'd rather have an uncut properly remastered new hd scan of the classic series.
At this stage I think the AB Blu-Ray is as good as its going to get, although volume 2 is still nowhere in sight.

I have no faith in TOEI to do a new HD scan of the classic series, but they seem to like doing remakes, so that's probably going to happen for Dragon Ball at some point. I think it could be good, although I know it will never hold up to what the 1986 anime was.
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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:00 am

Tian wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:23 am About Me Toons, I honestly don't really think it as a network likely to ever air any of the Dragon Ball series.

And I'm even saying this with the knowledge that TV networks from different genres and audiences have aired the series of the Dragon Ball franchise like Comedy Central in Spain (which as the name states airs sitcoms and stand-up routines) and AXN in Romania (which airs cops & crime shows)

Although, this doesn't mean I'm against Cure's wish of having Dragon Ball on that network. It's my just personal opinion about this Me Toons matter.
Point taken, and no hard feelings. The number one reason I DONT give up on the idea is that there was a channel that WAS nothing but Scooby Doo, Looney Tunes and Tom And Jerry reruns, it was some sort of Cartoon Network or something. If you asked anyone, it would be the last channel to ever air anime, and it also started with classic Tatsunoko Pro anime like Speed Racer. My memory fails me lol.

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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by Tian » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:30 am

Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:00 am Point taken, and no hard feelings. The number one reason I DONT give up on the idea is that there was a channel that WAS nothing but Scooby Doo, Looney Tunes and Tom And Jerry reruns, it was some sort of Cartoon Network or something. If you asked anyone, it would be the last channel to ever air anime, and it also started with classic Tatsunoko Pro anime like Speed Racer. My memory fails me lol.
I don't think that Me Toons is gonna deviate from their original purpose just like Cartoon Network did in the 90s.

Cartoon Network did it because they knew that they couldn't be airing reruns of the Flintstones forever and needed something to counterattack Nickelodeon's Nicktoons or else they'll just be considered as "the Hanna-Barbera rerun Network".
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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:45 am

Tian wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:23 am About Me Toons, I honestly don't really think it as a network likely to ever air any of the Dragon Ball series.
MeTV is basically built off boomer nostalgia (makes sense its doing modestly well by modern standards as that's the generation most likely to still be watching traditional tv)
Dragon Ball doesn't fit. Telling Svengoolie is its biggest hit
And I'm even saying this with the knowledge that TV networks from different genres and audiences have aired the series of the Dragon Ball franchise like Comedy Central in Spain (which as the name states airs sitcoms and stand-up routines) and AXN in Romania (which airs cops & crime shows)
Comedy Central isn't necessarily a bad fit for the first half of original Dragon Ball tbh.

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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:49 am

Tian wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:30 am
Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:00 am Point taken, and no hard feelings. The number one reason I DONT give up on the idea is that there was a channel that WAS nothing but Scooby Doo, Looney Tunes and Tom And Jerry reruns, it was some sort of Cartoon Network or something. If you asked anyone, it would be the last channel to ever air anime, and it also started with classic Tatsunoko Pro anime like Speed Racer. My memory fails me lol.
I don't think that Me Toons is gonna deviate from their original purpose just like Cartoon Network did in the 90s.

Cartoon Network did it because they knew that they couldn't be airing reruns of the Flintstones forever and needed something to counterattack Nickelodeon's Nicktoons or else they'll just be considered as "the Hanna-Barbera rerun Network".
That's true. But while I did focus on 80's Block being prime for Dragon Ball, Me TV Toons is basically INDEED Cartoon Network on steroids, their only rule is that it HAS to be reruns, and people HAVE to consider the shows a classic. Me TV has shows from the 90's and even shows from the 00's. Their only rule, ONLY reruns. No new commisioned shows.

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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:54 pm

sangofe wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:24 am
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:03 pm I hope the extra attention from licensees leads to a remake of some sort for 2029. If they get the project rolling now while they still have Daima staff on hand they could do a really nice remake series with a similarly long production schedule.
I hope a remake never happens. I'd rather have an uncut properly remastered new hd scan of the classic series.
They can literally just do both. A remake would allow for a much better work of art, should it be allowed the creative freedom to be such.
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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by sangofe » Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:51 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:54 pm
sangofe wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:24 am
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:03 pm I hope the extra attention from licensees leads to a remake of some sort for 2029. If they get the project rolling now while they still have Daima staff on hand they could do a really nice remake series with a similarly long production schedule.
I hope a remake never happens. I'd rather have an uncut properly remastered new hd scan of the classic series.
They can literally just do both. A remake would allow for a much better work of art, should it be allowed the creative freedom to be such.
Yes they can but I'd rather have them animate new stories. Yes, I've not lost faith.

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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:52 am

JulieYBM wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:54 pm
sangofe wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:24 am
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:03 pm I hope the extra attention from licensees leads to a remake of some sort for 2029. If they get the project rolling now while they still have Daima staff on hand they could do a really nice remake series with a similarly long production schedule.
I hope a remake never happens. I'd rather have an uncut properly remastered new hd scan of the classic series.
They can literally just do both. A remake would allow for a much better work of art, should it be allowed the creative freedom to be such.
A remake would probably renew interest in the original series for a proper remastering. Like when Sailor Moon Crystal came out and Toei and Kodansha licensed out the original 90s anime again and it received a blu-ray release worldwide.

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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:40 am

MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:52 am
JulieYBM wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:54 pm
sangofe wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:24 am

I hope a remake never happens. I'd rather have an uncut properly remastered new hd scan of the classic series.
They can literally just do both. A remake would allow for a much better work of art, should it be allowed the creative freedom to be such.
A remake would probably renew interest in the original series for a proper remastering. Like when Sailor Moon Crystal came out and Toei and Kodansha licensed out the original 90s anime again and it received a blu-ray release worldwide.
That, too. If you want new people to get into Dragon Ball it's a hell of a lot easier to sell a second adaption of the comic premiering in 2026 than just a remastering of the 1986 anime.
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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by sangofe » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:20 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:40 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:52 am
JulieYBM wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 12:54 pm

They can literally just do both. A remake would allow for a much better work of art, should it be allowed the creative freedom to be such.
A remake would probably renew interest in the original series for a proper remastering. Like when Sailor Moon Crystal came out and Toei and Kodansha licensed out the original 90s anime again and it received a blu-ray release worldwide.
That, too. If you want new people to get into Dragon Ball it's a hell of a lot easier to sell a second adaption of the comic premiering in 2026 than just a remastering of the 1986 anime.
I never thought of a remake would make a remaster more likely but maybe you're right , even if the sailor moon original anime was a cheap upscale. But I'm well aware most people want shiney animation these days.

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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by MasenkoHA » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:09 pm

sangofe wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:20 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:40 am
MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:52 am

A remake would probably renew interest in the original series for a proper remastering. Like when Sailor Moon Crystal came out and Toei and Kodansha licensed out the original 90s anime again and it received a blu-ray release worldwide.
That, too. If you want new people to get into Dragon Ball it's a hell of a lot easier to sell a second adaption of the comic premiering in 2026 than just a remastering of the 1986 anime.
I never thought of a remake would make a remaster more likely but maybe you're right , even if the sailor moon original anime was a cheap upscale. But I'm well aware most people want shiney animation these days.
Sailor Moon was just an example off the top of my head that came from Toei. But "a shiny new version just came out so lets capitalize on the old" is a pretty common practice.

And yeah realistically Dragon Ball will would just get a cheap 1080p upscale

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:25 pm

I would rather see AB's Blu-Rays continue or see another international distributor try do their own remaster.

I don't mean to be pessimistic but I just don't have any faith in TOEI doing a remaster of the original series. I could them maybe do a SD Blu-Ray, like they did for One Piece but obviously that's not ideal and from what I heard the 4:3 episodes were cropped, so I'd be worried Dragon Ball would suffer the same fate.

Maybe I'm wrong and maybe in 2026 for the 40th anniversary TOEI will announce a full HD remaster of all three original anime and the quality will blow us away but I wouldn't count on it. I'd love to see it happen though.
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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by sangofe » Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:43 pm

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:25 pm I would rather see AB's Blu-Rays continue or see another international distributor try do their own remaster.

I don't mean to be pessimistic but I just don't have any faith in TOEI doing a remaster of the original series. I could them maybe do a SD Blu-Ray, like they did for One Piece but obviously that's not ideal and from what I heard the 4:3 episodes were cropped, so I'd be worried Dragon Ball would suffer the same fate.

Maybe I'm wrong and maybe in 2026 for the 40th anniversary TOEI will announce a full HD remaster of all three original anime and the quality will blow us away but I wouldn't count on it. I'd love to see it happen though.
MasenkoHA wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 2:09 pm
sangofe wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:20 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:40 am

That, too. If you want new people to get into Dragon Ball it's a hell of a lot easier to sell a second adaption of the comic premiering in 2026 than just a remastering of the 1986 anime.
I never thought of a remake would make a remaster more likely but maybe you're right , even if the sailor moon original anime was a cheap upscale. But I'm well aware most people want shiney animation these days.
Sailor Moon was just an example off the top of my head that came from Toei. But "a shiny new version just came out so lets capitalize on the old" is a pretty common practice.

And yeah realistically Dragon Ball will would just get a cheap 1080p upscale
Toriyama has passed away and the film reels are available, even the audio is in good quality via Fuji TV, apparantly. If the collective belief is that Toei will do that, then it is more likely that will happen than a true remaster. Collective belief and action is powerful either way. Toei did a decent remaster for the Dragon Boxes, why couldn't they do it again? Yes, I know, there are a dozen of examples over the last couple of decades as to why they wouldn't do it but still...

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Re: Thoughts on the sudden resurgence of Kai?

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:04 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:45 am
Tian wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 1:23 am About Me Toons, I honestly don't really think it as a network likely to ever air any of the Dragon Ball series.
MeTV is basically built off boomer nostalgia (makes sense its doing modestly well by modern standards as that's the generation most likely to still be watching traditional tv)
Dragon Ball doesn't fit. Telling Svengoolie is its biggest hit
And I'm even saying this with the knowledge that TV networks from different genres and audiences have aired the series of the Dragon Ball franchise like Comedy Central in Spain (which as the name states airs sitcoms and stand-up routines) and AXN in Romania (which airs cops & crime shows)
Comedy Central isn't necessarily a bad fit for the first half of original Dragon Ball tbh.

Again, Cartoon Network really wasnt the anime channel when it began. Also today I learned Me TV Toons has a nice trick if the racism is too engrained into a program. They just air a "This cartoon has racist caricatures that were wrong then and are even worse now, but we present uncut to not censor history" disclaimer and voila!

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