DragonBall Z Abridged

[Grimlock]

If Dende is a god in Movie 6 then he is a god in Movie 6 and there's no problem with that at all. He became one a little earlier than his counterpart, prior to Goku and Gohan entering the Time Chamber. Wow shocking revelation! Who could expect this when it comes to Multiverse!? Just because Dende only became a god after the Time Chamber in the manga doesn't mean that is necessarily true for all realities.

By the way, if these are the types of arguments why you are so hung up in saying "nOoOooO! ThIs MoViE cAn'T hApPeN aT aNy TiMe" then oh boy... It would be one hell of a party for me to shoot them down, like I just did with the Dende one. In the "main timeline", the characters experienced the events of Majin Buu saga in AGE 774, while Trunks would only do it at some point after AGE 788. Look at this discrepancy between timelines, I guess Trunks timeline can't happen anywhere either? Hell, is there a god in the form of Dende in Trunks' timeline!? Why so conveniently only the movies being "out of sync" with the main timeline (what a rookie mistake to compare realities) mean they can't happen? I'm not seeing you saying the same thing about Trunks timeline. Why is that?

In the original manga, it is established that while three years passed in the present, in the future eight months had passed. However, Toyotaro later said that time passes the same between timelines. Look at this discrepancy, I guess Dragon Ball Super can't happen anywhere either!? I understand this is not a topic for everyone, not everyone will get it, but I'm pretty sure with a little effort, just a little tiny thing that resembles effort... But then again, it seems we are at a point where we are outright ignoring official statements. Very sad that I don't think I can have another great and open-minded conversation like I had with KBABZ years ago about this...

[Vegard Aune]

The movies all basically seem to take place at whatever point the anime or manga was in at the time they were written, but assuming that any ongoing plot stuff is not happening and instead just maintaining some status quo that never actually existed. Particularly glaring with movies 2, 3 and 4, which all would have to take place after Raditz but before the end of Freeza... but there is literally no point in all of that time where all the featured characters are alive and living an otherwise relatively mundane life. So like, Movie 2, yeah? Gohan has trained with Piccolo, Goku knows the Kaioken and Genkidama... but the earliest point in the timeline where those things have happened and Goku is living at home with Chichi and Gohan can hang out with Piccolo is after Trunks arrives.

...Incidentally Toei has not even abandoned that approach. The latest One Piece movie is the same way, showing characters using powers and techniques introduced during the climax of Wano, yet also featuring characters who either would have been in grave danger and in no position to go participate in the plot of the movie, or who should be dead if the movie was indeed meant to happen after the Wano arc. So yeah. Toei's movies for their franchises can kinda only be seen as taking place in a wholly separate world from the shows they are derived from more often than not. DBZ movies 5, 9 and 13 can more-or-less fit in (well, 9 and 13 I think are actually entirely unproblematic) but those are the only ones that don't raise any glaring questions. Like, are we really to accept that Goku & Co. left Earth to have an adventure off-world twice during the one week lead-up to the Cell Games?

[Grimlock]

but there is literally no point in all of that time where all the featured characters are alive and living an otherwise relatively mundane life.

How do you know? If we can see how the events unfold in that dimension, please send me the link so I can watch it too.

Like, are we really to accept that Goku & Co. left Earth to have an adventure off-world twice during the one week lead-up to the Cell Games?

Yes. You accept Goku leaving the fate of the world to kids (twice). You accept Goku bothering Zeno just to have a tournament. You accept Goku giving senzus to enemies that want to destroy the world (twice). You accept Goku leaving his family (thrice). You accept Goku letting Freeza live, probably killing people, not a big deal. You accept far more egregious stuff, so I'm sure you can comfortably accept Goku having adventures off-world twice on that week. And if you can't, then that's a you problem, not a movie problem.

[Vegard Aune]

How do you know? If we can see how the events unfold in that dimension, please send me the link so I can watch it too.

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...What are you even talking about? I was saying that the movies can't happen in the show. As in, like, the show that we all watched. Dragon Ball Z. Also the manga it was based off of. The events depicted in the movies cannot happen in the context of the story they are meant to be part of. You appealing to some sort of alternate dimension literally backs me up on that point. Or, as I literally said in the exact post you quoted,

Toei's movies for their franchises can kinda only be seen as taking place in a wholly separate world from the shows they are derived from more often than not.

And yes, this does indeed mean that criticizing GT for including movie villains, or Z the TV series including Garlic Junior, is a reasonable critique.

[VegettoEX]

This does not appear to be a conversation related to DBZ Abridged.

[Scsigs]

This does not appear to be a conversation related to DBZ Abridged.

It stemmed off a convo relating to the GTFS videos & what timeline GT takes place in. Grimlock for some reason won't just accept the fact that Cooler was just an easter egg thrown in by the animators in 1 episode, then never commented on by the characters since that arc was ripping off Fusion Reborn anyways. No, GT has to take place in a timeline where the movies happened, even though the writers & producers intended it to be a sequel to the 2 prior shows than the movies for some reason. Overthinking & argumentative fandom at its best. Also, Lani also had a comment in 1 of the videos after they talked about that saying GT happens in the movie universe, but...no. No, no.

Sidenote, I JUST realized "GTFS" is literally "TFS" with a "G" tacked on to the beginning of it.

How do you know? If we can see how the events unfold in that dimension, please send me the link so I can watch it too.

...What are you even talking about? I was saying that the movies can't happen in the show. As in, like, the show that we all watched. Dragon Ball Z. Also the manga it was based off of. The events depicted in the movies cannot happen in the context of the story they are meant to be part of. You appealing to some sort of alternate dimension literally backs me up on that point. Or, as I literally said in the exact post you quoted,

I have legit been arguing with this guy that the majority of the movies cannot happen in the show's timeline, or even with the others unless they're direct sequels (& even then, it gets dicey with fudging the details). The only films that can even remotely happen in the show's timeline are Cooler 1 because it takes place in the timeskip after Trunks shows up (though Icarus existing in it disqualifies it), Broly (though, I contend it wasn't intended to go there, but as an extra adventure to take place after Cell, but they assumed the wrong things would happen when they wrote it) because it doesn't contradict much for the wait for the Cell Games outside of no one acknowledging Cell & Goku & Gohan are no longer Super Saiyans for some reason, Bojack because it takes place after Cell, & Wrath of the Dragon because it takes place after the defeat of Kid Buu. All of the others have contradictions & discontinuities that stop them from being able to be slotted in despite what some fans want.
And, you bring up a good point with characters not lining up with where the movies try to take place in regards to the timeline. It's like I said, the writers just wanted to pluck them out of wherever they were in the manga or anime at the time & put them in new scenarios. Nothing wrong with that, but even trying to make a coherent timeline out of the movies is a tough job because why not have more of them in certain movies if it doesn't matter if they lived or died? It's really dumb. There's no consistency with it either.

Toei's movies for their franchises can kinda only be seen as taking place in a wholly separate world from the shows they are derived from more often than not.

And yes, this does indeed mean that criticizing GT for including movie villains, or Z the TV series including Garlic Junior, is a reasonable critique.

Thank you! Garlic Jr. being in the Z series brings up so many headaches (it's part of why when I watch any version of Z, it's Kai since Kai completely bypassed that filler when they cut stuff out). I would just prefer the movies be their own separate thing from the shows unless they're direct sequels to the shows or manga like the last 5 movies have been.

[Scsigs]

Dragon Ball GTFS Commentary | Episodes 46-47
https://youtu.be/Z3wdWVoXZtM?si=c49evcGJ9FgXvEbW

[Vegard Aune]

Kaiser complained that the Earth Dragon Balls can't revive the same person more than once, but I seem to recall by the end of the series that limitation had in fact been eliminated? Then again, even Toriyama and Toei couldn't seem to keep stuff terribly straight, what with Battle of Gods blatantly forgetting that Shenlong could grant more than one wish. So I'm not sure I can necessarily fault him that much for forgetting (unless I'm the one getting it wrong here) being that the series itself seemed to lose track of what each dragon could do after a while.

[miguelnuva1]

Kaiser complained that the Earth Dragon Balls can't revive the same person more than once, but I seem to recall by the end of the series that limitation had in fact been eliminated? Then again, even Toriyama and Toei couldn't seem to keep stuff terribly straight, what with Battle of Gods blatantly forgetting that Shenlong could grant more than one wish. So I'm not sure I can necessarily fault him that much for forgetting (unless I'm the one getting it wrong here) being that the series itself seemed to lose track of what each dragon could do after a while.

It's an inconsistency in order to tell the stroy.

Personally I go with this

If you are revived in a mass wish you can be revived one more time in a solo revival.

If you are revived solo before a mass revival wish you can no longer be revived.

[Scsigs]

Kaiser complained that the Earth Dragon Balls can't revive the same person more than once, but I seem to recall by the end of the series that limitation had in fact been eliminated? Then again, even Toriyama and Toei couldn't seem to keep stuff terribly straight, what with Battle of Gods blatantly forgetting that Shenlong could grant more than one wish. So I'm not sure I can necessarily fault him that much for forgetting (unless I'm the one getting it wrong here) being that the series itself seemed to lose track of what each dragon could do after a while.

Earth's Dragon Balls can't bring people back more than once. This was a limitation from when Kami made them that Dende couldn't override. It's Namek's that can & maybe the Super Dragon Balls, but I don't know.
The only inconsistency was how many wishes they could grant after Dende revived them. He made it so you can get 3, but then a few times, they only granted 2 before Shenron went away & they turned to stone. Namek's Dragon Balls initially had a limit of only reviving 1 person per wish, but they powered them up after the whole thing with Freeza so they could do more than 1 person at a time. As for BOG, that wasn't them ignoring that. Shenron was very distressed when he saw Beerus & he technically didn't grant ANY wishes & just gave them information on how Super Saiyan God worked. He then fucked off because he didn't wanna hang around there with Beerus.
The Super anime addressed the inconsistency in wishes by saying that, depending on the wish, some could take up the power of more than 1 wish to do, thus addressing that slight continuity error.

[MasenkoHA]

This does not appear to be a conversation related to DBZ Abridged.

It stemmed off a convo relating to the GTFS videos & what timeline GT takes place in. Grimlock for some reason won't just accept the fact that Cooler was just an easter egg thrown in by the animators in 1 episode, then never commented on by the characters since that arc was ripping off Fusion Reborn anyways. No, GT has to take place in a timeline where the movies happened, even though the writers & producers intended it to be a sequel to the 2 prior shows than the movies for some reason. Overthinking & argumentative fandom at its best. Also, Lani also had a comment in 1 of the videos after they talked about that saying GT happens in the movie universe, but...no. No, no.

I think the problem is fans keep insisting on this idea of a "movie-verse" which is of course asinine, the original Dragon Ball movie trilogy which actually does take place in its own universe aside.

There is no movie verse when it comes to Z. They're just movies that happened and are then ignored because they weren't part of the manga and then reused when its convenient for Toei (like filler arcs or an anime original tv series)

Are we suppose to believe the entire Garlic Jr saga takes place "in the movie universe"? What about Maron and Haiya Dragon showing up in Android saga filler? Do their scenes exist in this mythical movie verse even when Muten Roshi is filling Maron in on the events of the Red Ribbon saga as it relates to the current threat of the Androids? Of course not.

The fact that the movies can't happen and don't fit where they're thereotically supposed to isn't a concern of Toei's when they need to draw a bunch of villains coming from hell or when they need to have a filler arc to let Toriyama get further ahead when the tv series gets too close to the manga.

[Scsigs]

I think the problem is fans keep insisting on this idea of a "movie-verse" which is of course asinine, the original Dragon Ball movie trilogy which actually does take place in its own universe aside.

There is no movie verse when it comes to Z. They're just movies that happened and are then ignored because they weren't part of the manga and then reused when its convenient for Toei (like filler arcs or an anime original tv series)

Are we suppose to believe the entire Garlic Jr saga takes place "in the movie universe"? What about Maron and Haiya Dragon showing up in Android saga filler? Do their scenes exist in this mythical movie verse even when Muten Roshi is filling Maron in on the events of the Red Ribbon saga as it relates to the current threat of the Androids? Of course not.

The fact that the movies can't happen and don't fit where they're theoretically supposed to isn't a concern of Toei's when they need to draw a bunch of villains coming from hell or when they need to have a filler arc to let Toriyama get further ahead when the tv series gets too close to the manga.

I agree. The movies all exist because Toei wanted to make some money at the box office from the DB license. Only 4 Z movies (technically 2, but I'll be generous to Cooler 1 & Broly 1) before Battle of Gods could even take place where they're placed in the timeline because there's not a lot of continuity errors stopping them from doing so. The writers clearly didn't care about the logistics of making the movies take place in any specific timeframe because they knew they wouldn't be able to most of the time because of the ongoing story arcs of the manga not leaving any room for them. Very few of the movies can even line up in a coherent timeline anyways, so don't even bother. Just enjoy the movies for what they are & ignore them taking place in the main timeline or in a continuity with each other.
Now, TFS making the movies 1 timeline is something they did for their parody series that has no effect on the original product. Anyone who tries to apply it to it is overthinking it.

On the filler, it literally doesn't matter whatsoever. People like to think it does, but it doesn't. It is literally there to waste your time because they didn't wanna catch up or overtake the manga. This is also a reason I prefer to watch Kai. I don't care to watch a bunch of dumb filler (some of which gets ignored or contradicted later on when they adapt manga material straight) & I think I'm all the better for it. I don't feel like I'm missing anything. Unfortunately for them, I wish the Toei writers did the same with GT, but meh.

[FoolsGil]

Dragon Ball GTFS Commentary | Episodes 48-49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmiktHi8nfU

I wonder if it was a lack of budget that led to Goku Time going full force for the remaining arc. Couldn't even be bothered to have Trunks help, if you're not going to make the whole thing a family affair and send everyone at a dragon.

[Scsigs]

I mean, the whole last arc is at first a call-back to Goku just traveling with Bulma, but Pan instead, & having them fight the dragons rather than fighting other people for the Dragon Balls. I see what the writers were thinking. I just don't think the execution was great. Again.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

The easiest answer is that it was just the path of less resistance, writing just Goku (and Pan) was an easier job than trying to involve everyone else in the conflict.

[FoolsGil]

I mean, the whole last arc is at first a call-back to Goku just traveling with Bulma, but Pan instead, & having them fight the dragons rather than fighting other people for the Dragon Balls. I see what the writers were thinking. I just don't think the execution was great. Again.

GT was already a call back from the start. To replace Bulma she was broken down into two components: Her Brain (Trunks) Her Sass (Pan) Splitting it further may make it an even stronger callback but now you're just betraying the show's OG lineup and reasons to its setup.

The easiest answer is that it was just the path of less resistance, writing just Goku (and Pan) was an easier job than trying to involve everyone else in the conflict.

It really does feel like a budget cut that they wouldn't even bring back Trunks.

[AliTheZombie13]

The last arc of GT is so haphazardly done. Literally nothing happens until the very last two episodes.
It really gives off the vibe the show was cancelled and they just want to get it over with, but for some bureaucratic reason, they have to deliver 64 episodes, and so we got an entire arc worth of next to nothing.

[Scsigs]

The whole last 2 arcs are really haphazardly put together, tbh.

Writers: "What do we do? The series is getting only 30 more episodes!"
Showrunner: "Super 17."
"What's the plot?"
"Android 17 has a doppelganger in Hell constructed by Gero & Miyu."
"Wasn't Miyu a robot?"
"I don't know. Anyways, he'll mind control the original 17, then fuse with him & they'll be able to absorb energy."
"What? Wasn't it a thing that he & 18 couldn't do that?"
"I don't know. Anyways, the original 17 will have this evil ki."
"Wait. 17 & 18 didn't have ki. It was a plot point that none of them had ki, so the main cast couldn't sense them."
"I don't know. Anyways, Goku goes to Hell because the 17s open up a portal in the sky by syncing their ki's & a bunch of the past villains come attack the humans on Earth."
"Wait. Wasn't part of that the plot of Fusion Reborn?"
"I don't know. Anyways, he gets trapped in Hell fighting Freeza & Cell, then escapes thanks to Piccolo & Dende syncing their ki's."
"Ok..."
"Then Goku shows up, gets in a beam clash with 17 until he fills him with so much that he explodes when he fires a Kamehameha at him."
"Ok..."
"Then we'll have the main cast summon Shenlong to wish back the people killed during that shit, but the Dragon Balls are too filled with negative energy, so it makes 7 dark dragons."
"Why? When was that established to happen?"
"Right now! Now, shut up. So, Goku & Pan go hunt them down, defeat them all, then the last one absorbs the other 6 Dragon Balls, Vegeta attains Super Saiyan 4 to help fight him, then he & Goku fuse to fight him as Gogeta."
"Do we have Goten & Trunks fuse to Gotenks to give them back up?"
"Nope."
"Why?"
"Because they don't, shut up. They then run out of energy and defuse. Goku then has a Genki Dama powered up by the galaxy to defeat the dragon once & for all."
"Isn't that how Buu was defeated?"
"I don't know. Anyways, then Goku goes flying off with the original Shenlong and the series ends with Pan as an old woman watching her grandson, Goku Jr. from that special we did fight a descendent of Vegeta as Super Saiyans."
"Ok..."

I really don't like this stretch of episodes, ngl. It all runs on bad logic & plot holes.

[anubisj]

To be honest, I think Dragon Ball Z Abridged has done a lot of harm to the franchise. I mean, I'm the first that laughs a lot at their content, it's enjoyable to watch, but the problem is that they took themselves too seriously. Nowadays, you will find people acting as if Abridged is like "true dragon ball" or stuff like that (some of them haven't even watched the original series), and many of them treat TFS's words as Bible.

For me, it came to a point that I couldn't watch it anymore, since they reuse the series footage. It's like watching a movie masterpiece (I dunno, pick any you like, Lord of the Rings or whatever), but instead of in the cinema, it's a theatre parody...it can be fun at first, but in the end becomes tedious, and because I see the same images but with a satirical dub, in the end it even detracts from my enjoyment of the original.

[miguelnuva1]

TFS did a lot of good and a lot of bad to franchise at the same time but I don't blame them at all. I blame people taking their jokes and trying to twist it into canon like Goku's a bad dad or Goku is dumb vs being naive.