Dragon Ball Daima trailer, October release date announced

[FortuneSSJ]

Original Dragon Ball sidelined everyone for Goku all the time, especially the Red Ribbon arc. I see no issue with the main character being the main character.

In original DB was more acceptable, because there weren't fan favourites like Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo. Now having these strong and popular characters and let Goku have all the fun is not right.

[ABED]

Original Dragon Ball sidelined everyone for Goku all the time, especially the Red Ribbon arc. I see no issue with the main character being the main character.

In original DB was more acceptable, because there weren't fan favourites like Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo.

Kuririn and Tenshinhan aren't fan favorites? Just because there are characters who became very popular with the audience, doesn't dictate them being on the level of main characters.

[AliTheZombie13]

In original DB was more acceptable, because there weren't fan favourites like Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo.

You mean DBZ fan favorites.
It really wasn't any more acceptable when it happened to Yamcha, Kuririn, Roshi, Lunch, Tenshinhan and every single other character, sorry.

[jjgp1112]

Original Dragon Ball sidelined everyone for Goku all the time, especially the Red Ribbon arc. I see no issue with the main character being the main character.

In original DB was more acceptable, because there weren't fan favourites like Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo.

Kuririn and Tenshinhan aren't fan favorites? Just because there are characters who became very popular with the audience, doesn't dictate them being on the level of main characters.

Yeah, but Krillin and Tien didn't have 30 years of being front and center in the franchise at that point, either. OG Dragon Ball was pretty much Goku time but once we get to Z, other characters were given more spotlight the entire way through and that just changes the way fans look at things. And then you add in the fact that Z is pushed over the Kid Goku portion of the story even in Japan, it's easy to see why it's way riskier now.

[FortuneSSJ]

In original DB was more acceptable, because there weren't fan favourites like Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo.

You mean DBZ fan favorites.
It really wasn't any more acceptable when it happened to Yamcha, Kuririn, Roshi, Lunch, Tenshinhan and every single other character, sorry.

It was more acceptable, because none of those become as popular as Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo did. Even nowadays not many people care about the characters you mentioned and that tells us everything we need to know.

A new DB series without Yamcha, Kuririn, Roshi, Lunch, Tenshinhan wouldn't have as much as backlash (IF ANY...) than one without Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo

[AliTheZombie13]

It was, because none of those become as popular as Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo did. Nowadays not many people care about the characters you mentioned and that tells us everything we need know.

Literally all of Toriyama's legacy beyond Dragon Ball, specifically the "Z era", is worthless, then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[jjgp1112]

It was, because none of those become as popular as Vegeta, Gohan and Piccolo did. Nowadays not many people care about the characters you mentioned and that tells us everything we need know.

Literally all of Toriyama's legacy beyond Dragon Ball, specifically the "Z era", is worthless, then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's not worthless, but considering almost every piece of Dragon Ball media over the last 20 years has featured the Dragon Ball Z branding to the point where Super and Daima's logos are just just the Z logo without the Z...and Dragon Ball Z was the first to get the Dragon Box treatment...and the only one to the get the Kai treatment...Toei and Shuiesha clearly know where the money is. So it's risky to not feature the Z characters that people love.

[AliTheZombie13]

I'm vehemently against using popularity to measure whether something's good or not.
Sidelining characters in the original wasn't any more acceptable than it was sidelining them in DBZ or posterior works.
Given DB's track record, and that nobody except Goku and Shin are being promoted in the "after Earth" segments... You can bet it's going to happen in Daima. At best, you'll get two initial episodes showing the entire gang before Goku departs into space.

[jjgp1112]

I'm vehemently against using popularity to measure whether something's good or not.

???? We're having two different conversations here, apparently. I'm not talking about whether it's good or not, I'm just saying you're comparing apples to oranges when you try to tell somebody who's disappointed by the lack of Vegeta, Gohan or Piccolo by bringing up the Redi RIbbon or Piccolo arcs - Vegeta, Gohan, or Piccolo are miles more important and prominently featured than Tien, Krillin, etc were at that point in time.

Do I think this story will be fine without them? In my opinion, yeah. But you're also risking turning off a lot of the fans because it's a different circumstance than 1987, and was that not what we were actually talking about?

[MasenkoHA]

Daima is already going to alienate most Z fans by making the characters kids again, I don't know if demoting Vegeta to minor character is going to make it any worse.

[WittyUsername]

Large portions of the audience were already alienated once it became clear that the DBS anime wasn’t coming back anytime soon. A bunch of Western fans wanted them to adapt Moro.

[AliTheZombie13]

At this point, regardless of the liberties, I'm just hoping Daima will be good.
I'm willing to put up with NotGTTrunks and Masked Majin Girl as long as the plot is good.

[JulieYBM]

I think it would be really fun to see the story of Daima highlight character arcs for characters other than Son Gokuu. I wonder if Toriyama had new ideas for peeling back Kaiou-shin as a character, hence his inclusion in this series?


I'm curious if there will be a story thread happening on Earth while Gokuu and Kaiou-shin are off exploring somewhere else?

[super michael]

Daima is already going to alienate most Z fans by making the characters kids again, I don't know if demoting Vegeta to minor character is going to make it any worse.

I never had any problem with GT turning Goku into a kid, the same applies to Dragon Ball Daima.
Although I don't like the idea of turning some characters into babies.

I will give Dragon Ball Daima a fair chance, since I like how the trailer looks at the moment.

[The Monkey King]

This whole "But it was always like this" argument is really, really dumb.

The question you should be asking is "Was the story better when it was Goku focused or when other characters were more involved"

The way I see it, for more recent Dragon Ball stories I would go with the latter since Goku should've been sidelined all the way back in 1993 when the character died for the second time.

Modern Goku has proven to be a frustrating protagonist because his character arc was complete decades ago and now the story has to make convoluted reasons for him to "grow but not really grow" one of the more egregious examples of this was the whole True UI debacle which was quickly thrown out anyway, Bardock teaching Goku he should "fight to win" was beyond stupid.

In the Moro arc one of the highlights for me was Fat Buu/The Grand Supreme Kai being relevant again, seeing a new character with an ancient grudge against the main antagonist was a lot more interesting than watching Goku regress again and act as stupid as Cell Games Gohan (a literal child) in order to let Moro AKA Cell 2.0 become a living bomb, the same thing Cell Games Goku was warning Gohan against.

I think Daima's kid Goku may act as a soft "reboot" of the character Son Goku by turning him into a child (again) thereby making him an interesting protagonist to follow once again, the issue is that we already had this in the original manga...

I suppose only time will tell.

[AliTheZombie13]

This whole "But it was always like this" argument is really, really dumb.

The question you should be asking is "Was the story better when it was Goku focused or when other characters were more involved"

The way I see it, for more recent Dragon Ball stories I would go with the latter since Goku should've been sidelined all the way back in 1993 when the character died for the second time.

I wasn't saying this as a sort of "Gotcha!", but more like... "You guys know what franchise you're talking about, right?"
Because yeah, DBZ did give more spotlight to other characters, but here's the catch: Most of the time, it gave them spotlight just to show how utterly pathetic they are compared to Goku, and I really don't feel like that was any better than how it was handled before.

I'll reiterate again, the very first arc of DB is easily the best in terms of everyone being useful. Goku can't Kamehameha his way out of a stone wall, so it's up for Puar and Oolong to save the day. He turns into a giant monkey, then it's up to Yamcha to save it. Everybody has equal contribution there.

In contrast to the latter arcs, I felt most of the time like Toriyama was only giving more spotlight to other characters so Goku would look better in the end, not an equal share of it. It's a type of formula that repeats itself to the point of frustration: Goku is taken out, the story starts focusing on everybody else, turns out everybody else sucks, Goku is back, Goku is better than everyone else combined, the end!

I might be in the minority here, but I hate when that happens.
Like, if they're going to give more spotlight to other characters, it damn better be not like they used to do in DBZ.

[super michael]

I like both style Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, if Dragon Ball Daima is similar to one of them or both of them then I will enjoy it. If Dragon Ball Daima is different, then it could end up being good, since being different isn't a bad thing. It is has some of the good points of DBS, then I will be more than happy if they are included.

As for the adventures in Daima that I assume it will be good.

[JulieYBM]

I feel like Daima will continue the trend of making Gokuu the main character, but I would be quite happy as a viewer if it is actually Kaiou-shin who is recognized by the series as being the true main character of this story. That would be an interesting twist!

[Cure Dragon 255]

I feel like Daima will continue the trend of making Gokuu the main character, but I would be quite happy as a viewer if it is actually Kaiou-shin who is recognized by the series as being the true main character of this story. That would be an interesting twist!

Well he's so pathetic he REALLY has nowhere to go but up. No, really, no sarcasm. I am legit interested in him going from minus 1 million to hero. (Zero to Hero journey.)

[Jord]

I feel like Daima will continue the trend of making Gokuu the main character, but I would be quite happy as a viewer if it is actually Kaiou-shin who is recognized by the series as being the true main character of this story. That would be an interesting twist!

Well he's so pathetic he REALLY has nowhere to go but up. No, really, no sarcasm. I am legit interested in him going from minus 1 million to hero. (Zero to Hero journey.)

You're right. It's really weird how he was a selectable fighter in games like Budokai 3, where they had to resort to him throwing steel cubes as an attack.
(Like how he did with the Z sword)