Dragon Ball Daima trailer, October release date announced

[dragonballhero]

I'm honestly pretty intrigued by what Daima might give us, but I HAVE to wonder... what exactly will anyone who ISN'T Goku be doing on this show? Like, I can't imagine that Vegeta (at the very least) would be THAT willing to just hang around on Earth, unless it's to defend Earth while Goku's gone...

By the way, are we not opening the old Daima thread? I mean, now that we have NEW stuff to discuss...

[sangofe]

I'm honestly pretty intrigued by what Daima might give us, but I HAVE to wonder... what exactly will anyone who ISN'T Goku be doing on this show? Like, I can't imagine that Vegeta (at the very least) would be THAT willing to just hang around on Earth, unless it's to defend Earth while Goku's gone...

By the way, are we not opening the old Daima thread? I mean, now that we have NEW stuff to discuss...

Vegeta defending earth? Are you being serious?

[AliTheZombie13]

Vegeta defending earth? Are you being serious?

I mean, he did it in GT.
Personally, I think the show will just not focus on the Earth crew.
I hope they do, but knowing this franchise, I'm not putting my hopes up.

[dragonballhero]

Vegeta defending earth? Are you being serious?

Uh... yes? He defended Earth in GT after all.

I mean, he did it in GT.
Personally, I think the show will just not focus on the Earth crew.
I hope they do, but knowing this franchise, I'm not putting my hopes up.

Yeah, that's... pretty much my exact feelings on this. I will say this though, I sort of hope Daima plays with the whole 'everyone's been turned into kids' concept. At least for the folks on Earth. Maybe let them get into various hijinks and whatnot.

[sangofe]

Vegeta defending earth? Are you being serious?

Uh... yes? He defended Earth in GT after all.

I mean, he did it in GT.
Personally, I think the show will just not focus on the Earth crew.
I hope they do, but knowing this franchise, I'm not putting my hopes up.

Yeah, that's... pretty much my exact feelings on this. I will say this though, I sort of hope Daima plays with the whole 'everyone's been turned into kids' concept. At least for the folks on Earth. Maybe let them get into various hijinks and whatnot.

Do you mean Vegeta defended earth in the Super 17 saga? I'm not sure I agree on that. Or was it in either episode 61 or 63 that I haven't watched?

[anubisj]

I have mixed emotions on Daima. On one hand, it seems like a fresh take on the franchise; new sceneries, new series, change of focus....they moved away from the Super brand, which is a plus for me, 'cause I think that series was handled poorly.

On the other hand, making the entire cast kids is like the antithesis of "developing" the story, it doesn't seem like this is the big, amazing Super sequel we have all been waiting for (which is what the trailer with the "1986, 1996, 2015....2024" apparently wanted us to assume). I feel like there's plenty of room to improve the franchise, like multiple "bridges" that they can cross to advance the story, and they chose one of the more unstable and fragile ones. It's definitely risky, and seems to appeal to kids mostly, and to the spirit of adventure and magic and original Dragon Ball.

The problem is that I don't think that's what the franchise needs right now (not to mention we've already seen that revival option with GT). It will certainly make money (it's Dragon Ball, and now even more kid-friendly ), but in creativity and plot terms, it could be a bit of a disaster, depending on how they approach it. I certainly would have opted for something more niche and maybe adult-like; not entirely 18+ yet but, you know, more gore and blood and seriousness in the plot, Goku getting real, battles that are more "realistic", not necessarily more epic, so no need to keep boosting the characters to infinity and beyond, but yeah, a bit more tension in the story, plus more involvement from the rest of the cast, particularly the not-so-powerful ones, a few semi-permanent deaths...

But, since they went this way, for it to work I would do it like GT did, a fantastical, light-hearted adventure that slowly turns into something more gritty and dangerous as the episodes pass. That would be my ideal way; there is one other option I can see, which is to definitely treat this as a tiny, little spin-off meant to emphasize Toriyama's message of laughter and not taking things seriously (again, that one trailer didn't give off those vibes), a small, 20 or so episode show with no overall franchise movement, everything remains the same by the end of it, the final villain is a joke, and in the end it was all a tribute to the genious of Akira, who never wanted to aim higher than this when he began his story...That could also work, but, for me at least, could be a bit of a disappointment.

And, for the record, I do believe there are ways to move the plot forward in the franchise without resorting to weird stuff like "making everybody kids" or whatever. I already proposed some ideas, and just today I was reading a fan work wich I enjoyed quit a bit, just finished the 3rd saga and the story and concepts are interesting (plus, it takes itself more seriously than recent Dragon Ball).

Anyways, even though I'm sad at the passing of Akira Toriyama, I'm sure this also leaves spots open for desperately-needed fresh creative minds to enter the scene and decide what to do with the world-spanning franchise. Let's hope they know what they are doing.

[JulieYBM]

Insofar, we don't actually know what role within the story making the cast small will be played for. Like, technically-speaking, I would say that there's a lot that could be said about 'de-aging' (assuming this is what this is) the cast in a story written by an old person who was facing their mortality. There's themes to play with that Dragon Ball has yet to, and I think that's important to consider when looking at Daima and what it might potentially be.

[Mister_Popo]

Everyone being turned into kids again is not what makes or breaks Daima for me. Nor is it the story of Goku traveling to the Demon Realm with the Kaioshin to undo the spell. Going back to the roots and focusing on adventure is a somehow 'refreshing' approach, but that's only where the story begins. It's the story behind the story—what is going on inside the Demon Realm—that will actually make things interesting. We know very little at this point, even for proper speculation. Maybe the panel at SD Comic-Con will reveal something more.

[kemuri07]

I think a lot of people are going to end up disappointed by what Daima turns out to be. Namely I think hype, plus Toriyama's recent death, has convinced a lot of people that this is the next big Dragon Ball saga, and I'm not sure if that ever was the intention. Hence why Toei has been really weird about the marketing for this thing.

I missed this but:

I wasn't saying this as a sort of "Gotcha!", but more like... "You guys know what franchise you're talking about, right?"
Because yeah, DBZ did give more spotlight to other characters, but here's the catch: Most of the time, it gave them spotlight just to show how utterly pathetic they are compared to Goku, and I really don't feel like that was any better than how it was handled before.

This is a really, really bad take. A big reason why I hold Z in high regard--especially it's earlier arcs--is that by focusing on a lot of the side characters, it allows for a lot of tension because it forces the Z warriors to have actually plan their attacks against their enemies. It's why I love the Freeza saga because it pains Kuririn and Gohan as pure underdogs having to maneuver against enemies far more powerful than them. That's good storytelling. To simply dismiss all of that as "everyone sucks and Goku is OP, lol" kinda pisses me off, almost as much as it pisses me off when certain people on this site need to shit on Z in order to justify why they like Super.

[Yuji]

I think a lot of people are going to end up disappointed by what Daima turns out to be. Namely I think hype, plus Toriyama's recent death, has convinced a lot of people that this is the next big Dragon Ball saga, and I'm not sure if that ever was the intention. Hence why Toei has been really weird about the marketing for this thing.

I think most of the fanbase's original expectation was that Daima is a side-story, hence why they've been so vague regarding the timeline placement. It's the new marketing of "a new Dragon Ball" that seems to be hyping it up as something greater.

[AliTheZombie13]

I missed this but:

I wasn't saying this as a sort of "Gotcha!", but more like... "You guys know what franchise you're talking about, right?"
Because yeah, DBZ did give more spotlight to other characters, but here's the catch: Most of the time, it gave them spotlight just to show how utterly pathetic they are compared to Goku, and I really don't feel like that was any better than how it was handled before.

This is a really, really bad take. A big reason why I hold Z in high regard--especially it's earlier arcs--is that by focusing on a lot of the side characters, it allows for a lot of tension because it forces the Z warriors to have actually plan their attacks against their enemies. It's why I love the Freeza saga because it pains Kuririn and Gohan as pure underdogs having to maneuver against enemies far more powerful than them. That's good storytelling. To simply dismiss all of that as "everyone sucks and Goku is OP, lol" kinda pisses me off, almost as much as it pisses me off when certain people on this site need to shit on Z in order to justify why they like Super.

I respectfully disagree, I'm sorry. The "Wait For Goku" trope is excruciatingly frustrating to watch at times, downright insulting at other times. I'm not saying the team has to be hyper-competent or stronger than Goku. The Sailor Senshi from Sailor Moon fulfill an almost identical role, and yet, they're nowhere near as bad as Dragon Ball is with the Dragon Team.

[kemuri07]

I missed this but:

I wasn't saying this as a sort of "Gotcha!", but more like... "You guys know what franchise you're talking about, right?"
Because yeah, DBZ did give more spotlight to other characters, but here's the catch: Most of the time, it gave them spotlight just to show how utterly pathetic they are compared to Goku, and I really don't feel like that was any better than how it was handled before.

This is a really, really bad take. A big reason why I hold Z in high regard--especially it's earlier arcs--is that by focusing on a lot of the side characters, it allows for a lot of tension because it forces the Z warriors to have actually plan their attacks against their enemies. It's why I love the Freeza saga because it pains Kuririn and Gohan as pure underdogs having to maneuver against enemies far more powerful than them. That's good storytelling. To simply dismiss all of that as "everyone sucks and Goku is OP, lol" kinda pisses me off, almost as much as it pisses me off when certain people on this site need to shit on Z in order to justify why they like Super.

I respectfully disagree, I'm sorry. The "Wait For Goku" trope is excruciatingly frustrating to watch at times, downright insulting at other times. I'm not saying the team has to be hyper-competent or stronger than Goku. The Sailor Senshi from Sailor Moon fulfill an almost identical role, and yet, they're nowhere near as bad as Dragon Ball is with the Dragon Team.

Then what are you saying? Because even when Goku does return, it's not as if he's this giant red button that removes every problem immediately. Like, sure I guess it can be a bit contrived as most of Z arcs are in some way about waiting for Goku, but I just think you're being outright dismissive over the story telling that occurs in Z. Its' like no different to me than saying that all DBZ is is characters yelling at each other for 5 min and powering up. It's such a dismissive take on a fantastic manga that I just can't agree with it.

Because yeah..I think you're wrong.

[AliTheZombie13]

Then what are you saying? Because even when Goku does return, it's not as if he's this giant red button that removes every problem immediately. Like, sure I guess it can be a bit contrived as most of Z arcs are in some way about waiting for Goku, but I just think you're being outright dismissive over the story telling that occurs in Z. Its' like no different to me than saying that all DBZ is is characters yelling at each other for 5 min and powering up. It's such a dismissive take on a fantastic manga that I just can't agree with it.

Because yeah..I think you're wrong.

I'm saying watching 10 episodes in a row of Gohan, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chiaotzu and Kuririn all train only to arrive in the battlefield and commit suicide attacks and be unable to even scratch the enemy, only for Goku to arrive and wipe the floor with said enemy, is frustrating. Granted, at least two of those ensure their victory at the very end, but still... frustrating.

[ABED]

He's the main character and they aren't a team like The Justice League where their combined abilities and various talents help bring down the bad guys. Goku is the main character and his friends are there in supporting roles. That said, far too many base their opinions of the quality of the characters by how much they contribute to the defeat of the big bads. It's wrongheaded.

It appears Daima is just looking to be a fun romp, which I'm fine with. From what I see here, apparently Goku is going to the Demon Realm. Sounds fun, though I hope I'm not gonna see a lot of talk about lore.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I missed this but:

I wasn't saying this as a sort of "Gotcha!", but more like... "You guys know what franchise you're talking about, right?"
Because yeah, DBZ did give more spotlight to other characters, but here's the catch: Most of the time, it gave them spotlight just to show how utterly pathetic they are compared to Goku, and I really don't feel like that was any better than how it was handled before.

This is a really, really bad take. A big reason why I hold Z in high regard--especially it's earlier arcs--is that by focusing on a lot of the side characters, it allows for a lot of tension because it forces the Z warriors to have actually plan their attacks against their enemies. It's why I love the Freeza saga because it pains Kuririn and Gohan as pure underdogs having to maneuver against enemies far more powerful than them. That's good storytelling. To simply dismiss all of that as "everyone sucks and Goku is OP, lol" kinda pisses me off, almost as much as it pisses me off when certain people on this site need to shit on Z in order to justify why they like Super.

I respectfully disagree, I'm sorry. The "Wait For Goku" trope is excruciatingly frustrating to watch at times, downright insulting at other times. I'm not saying the team has to be hyper-competent or stronger than Goku. The Sailor Senshi from Sailor Moon fulfill an almost identical role, and yet, they're nowhere near as bad as Dragon Ball is with the Dragon Team.

90's Anime Sailor Moon gave a lot to the other Senshi but the manga and Crystal are even worse than DB ever was. The only characters that matter are Sailor Moon... and that's it.

EDIT: Also there werent "10 episodes" in the manga. In the manga the Saiyan invasion is over by episode 17.

[AliTheZombie13]

90's Anime Sailor Moon gave a lot to the other Senshi but the manga and Crystal are even worse than DB ever was. The only characters that matter are Sailor Moon... and that's it.

Eyup. Manga Sailor Moon is even worse than DB, but the anime and PGSM are still goat.

As for "Well duuuhhhh, they're not the main character, of course it makes perfect sense that they suck so much!"
Other shows prove you can do better than that... MUCH better than that.
Dragon Ball sucks at it, sorry.

[JulieYBM]

Writing is Hell incarnate, so I'll never know how some authors can write such large casts. I think that NARUTO could have used some trimming, though. In the case of Dragon Ball, though, I do think it would be nice to see the series focus on other characters if it's going to refuse to really change the types of stories that Gokuu is involved with and faces. The Moro arc was the closest that we saw this happen, but that arc is riddled with its own issues, too.

[Cure Dragon 255]

90's Anime Sailor Moon gave a lot to the other Senshi but the manga and Crystal are even worse than DB ever was. The only characters that matter are Sailor Moon... and that's it.

Eyup. Manga Sailor Moon is even worse than DB, but the anime and PGSM are still goat.

As for "Well duuuhhhh, they're not the main character, of course it makes perfect sense that they suck so much!"
Other shows prove you can do better than that... MUCH better than that.
Dragon Ball sucks at it, sorry.

I dont wanna be mean or gate keepy or anything, but there is so much you dont like on Dragon Ball I keep forgetting which parts you actually like, I've never seen praise, just X thing about Dragon Ball REALLY pisses me off or I cant stand it, but things, quirks, tropes, arcs and arquetypes you constantly criticize are very intrinsic in Dragon Ball. There is no part of Dragon Ball that is fully divorced from the things you hate about DB so I need to ask: What is it that you are like about dragon ball, the franchise itself?

[AliTheZombie13]

I dont wanna be mean or gate keepy or anything, but there is so much you dont like on Dragon Ball I keep forgetting which parts you actually like, I've never seen praise, just X thing about Dragon Ball REALLY pisses me off or I cant stand it, but things, quirks, tropes, arcs and arquetypes you constantly criticize are very intrinsic in Dragon Ball. There is no part of Dragon Ball that is fully divorced from the things you hate about DB so I need to ask: What is it that you are like about dragon ball, the franchise itself?

- Most of the original DB, the Saiyan Saga, the first half of Namek, parts of the Boo Saga, and most of GT.
- Art direction and music.

Still, just because I like something, it doesn't mean I won't go, "Well, they sucked doing this, I hope they do it better next time."

[JulieYBM]

Still, just because I like something, it doesn't mean I won't go, "Well, they sucked doing this, I hope they do it better next time."

The eternal struggle that people like you and me face with Dragon Ball lol